From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V3 #188 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Thursday, September 3 1998 Volume 03 : Number 188 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Re: Re: basia book [Whipple930@aol.com] Re: Re: Re: basia book [Rich Uchytil - IR Geek ] Re: Photoshop files... [Rich Uchytil - IR Geek ] THE COPERNICAN CHRONICLES: How far will you go... [talukdar@morph.EBME.CW] Notebook [talukdar@morph.EBME.CWRU.Edu (Ashoke Talukdar)] lingerie & Joke [tom@cse.unl.edu, kelly&jordan ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:59:14 EDT From: Whipple930@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: basia book In a message dated 9/1/98 7:09:28 AM, you wrote: <> If you send a photo shop piece save it as a "copy" and you can save it as almost any format and Ashoke will not need to screw with it. I suggest a jpg they seem to flow through the net nicely and give good clarity Mike PS I use the hell out of photo shop and if it is too complicated send it to me and I will handle it for you. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:51:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Uchytil - IR Geek Subject: Re: Re: Re: basia book > If you send a photo shop piece save it as a "copy" and you can save it as > almost any format and Ashoke will not need to screw with it. I suggest a jpg > they seem to flow through the net nicely and give good clarity > > Mike > > PS I use the hell out of photo shop and if it is too complicated send it to > me and I will handle it for you. Um, if Ashoke is going to print this image, you might want to save it as a gif instead. JPG is great for web images, but it doesn't print as well as gif. Very basically, jpg removes some of the pixels in the image to make it smaller. On your screen, you really don't notice a difference. However, when you try to print it on a high quality printer (like 600x600 or greater), you can really tell the difference. GIF's will be bigger, but better quality when he prints them. Just trying to help! :) =========== "Let's Document it and call it a Feature!" ============ Richard Uchytil (rich@west.sun.com) Voice: (503) 520-7614 Sun Microsystems ... /| Fax: (503) 520-7722 Business Technologist >--|||===< | PEG Member #1998011401 (___) \| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:54:56 -0500 From: talukdar@morph.EBME.CWRU.Edu (Ashoke Talukdar) Subject: Photoshop files... Ok, I think I successfully managed to cause some confusion here. First of all, JPEG files, as Rich pointed out, are a bad idea. JPEG is a compression technique for images, but it is "lossy". In otherwords, everytime you "save" using a JPEG format, some image information is discarded. A better idea would be to save original photoshop files because then all the layer information will be saved, separately. GIF does not support layers. But do ZIP the files so that they are a bit smaller. If they are less than 1.4 mbytes, mail them on a floppy or, if you have the facility, put it on a CD. Layers themselves are a reasonably sophisticated concept in Photoshop that allows you to make composites of multiple pictures. So, for example, you might, for the sake of effect, want to print out one layer, which contains parts of your artwork, in glossy film and a second in matted finish and overlay ALL of this with a third layer printed out on transparency. Ashoke. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 12:50:18 PDT From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: Re: Photoshop files... >First of all, JPEG files, as Rich pointed out, are a bad idea. JPEG is >a compression technique for images, but it is "lossy". In otherwords, >everytime you "save" using a JPEG format, some image information is >discarded. A better idea would be to save original photoshop files >because then all the layer information will be saved, separately. GIF >does not support layers. But do ZIP the files so that they are a bit >smaller. If they are less than 1.4 mbytes, mail them on a floppy or, >if you have the facility, put it on a CD. > >Layers themselves are a reasonably sophisticated concept in Photoshop >that allows you to make composites of multiple pictures. So, for >example, you might, for the sake of effect, want to print out one >layer, which contains parts of your artwork, in glossy film and a >second in matted finish and overlay ALL of this with a third layer >printed out on transparency. Or, you can save the files in EPS or (best, I think, for this kind of thing, since not all printers support EPS) TIFF (as was said before). Photoshop files (PDFs) take up mucho memory and it just might make life easier for all involved- I mean, you can still use it, but it may save you a headache to do it the other way. Flattening the image to turn it into a TIFF wont hurt image quality, and your layered (originally) image will "only" be 10-20 mb instead of 40-60! (10 sounds like a lot in normal terms but in graphic design world if you have an image at that, you're doing okay!) You could then throw it on a ZIP disc and send to Ashoke personally. I'm sure there are other ways to do this with less memory but this is what I would do. (Chances are you aren't going to get a decent image with decent resolution to fit on a conventional 3.5 floppy, unless you're dealing with an image that's 2" by 3" and maybe at 150 res.) This way though you could just make one print using composite layers and not have to go through the trouble of transparencies (which are a stinker to print on if you don't have just the right kind of acetate). Just MHO! ^_^ Leslie Brown marzenia@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:56:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Uchytil - IR Geek Subject: Re: Photoshop files... > Or, you can save the files in EPS or (best, I think, for this kind of > thing, since not all printers support EPS) TIFF (as was said before). > Photoshop files (PDFs) take up mucho memory and it just might make life FYI, PDF files are Adobe Acrobat format, not Photoshop. Completely different application. Photoshop files are bigger than gif's, but if he is going to be printing them, it's best to have them in the original format instead of converted into something. Tiff is also good, but I'm sure he'd prefer Photoshop format instead. =========== "Let's Document it and call it a Feature!" ============ Richard Uchytil (rich@west.sun.com) Voice: (503) 520-7614 Sun Microsystems ... /| Fax: (503) 520-7722 Business Technologist >--|||===< | PEG Member #1998011401 (___) \| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 13:40:57 PDT From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: Re: Photoshop files... >FYI, PDF files are Adobe Acrobat format, not Photoshop. Completely >different application. Whoops! Of course ^_^ My fault! Photoshop files have some other funky acronym. PDFs are supposed to be "the wave of the future" in Prepress these days, eh? > Photoshop files are bigger than gif's, but if he >is going to be printing them, it's best to have them in the original >format instead of converted into something. Not necessarily- most graphics folks I've had the privilege of working with/for have mostly used TIFFs or EPS (both definitely better than GIFs for non-web use), because they put them into other programs (but that is even more off topic than this is, and a whole 'nother story), and we use them here (school) to print final Photoshop files due to the smaller file size and just general ease of printing. The sticky thing about EPS would be compatibility of the printer to EPS language- one could end up with a bitmapped mess instead of what they expect. Converting just is easier for us I guess. Not that it matters which way you go I think for something so small (we're not talking print runs here, for which this would be a big deal), either way you will get the same basic quality in my experience, from what I've noticed, and from what I've been taught. But everyone has their own way of working.^_^ Dang! When I wander into technobabble, I can tell it's time for me to get off the Mac and opt for some human contact! Going to do just that right now I think! Leslie marzenia@hotmail.com BTW, to keep this on topic, Basia is great to listen to while I draw clipping paths! Ya kinda get a clicking rhythm going... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:32:41 -0500 From: talukdar@morph.EBME.CWRU.Edu (Ashoke Talukdar) Subject: THE COPERNICAN CHRONICLES: How far will you go... Never mix business with pleasure... I am reminded of a co-worker at Mt. Sinai who once fell asleep at her desk and, while dozing off, leaned back in her chair, keeled over and fell down, twisted her ankle and claimed compensation on the basis of a "work-related" injury. Not sure if she lost her soul, but certainly was a road paved with gold. May have walked funny for a few days. I have been listening to "Masquerade" a lot these days... ________________________________________________________________________ Some years ago, I visited a very unique temple city in the South of India. The temple in question was built in honor of the goddess Meenakshi - the goddess of wealth. Being a somewhat unconventional tourist, I decided to do something - well - unconventional, at least by the standards of a typical visitor to the temple. Instead of taking a train to the city of Madurai (which is home to the temple), I convinced my family to make the trip on a freight helicopter! It was 1993 and I was on my second visit to India since I had come to the US. Most folks are completely enthralled by the murals on the gigantic concrete cape that sits on top of the sanctuary. This pyramidal topping is covered with thousands of little handcarved statuettes of mythological characters. It is an even more breathtaking sight from the air. But what left me speechless was the organization of the city around it. There were almost perfectly rectangular, alternating layers of houses and streets, that seemed to have grown right out of the courtyard of the temple itself. The concept was not surprising. Six hundred years ago, the temple was THE reason for birth of the city. But the implementation was, nevertheless, fascinating. It is also a realization that most visitors don't allow themselves to experience. Hindu temples in India had always been little pockets of splendor, particular those devoted to the goddess of wealth. Many of these temples in the Northern parts had been repeated plundered and looted over the first half of the millenium, by the Muslim invaders from the East. The southern temples, being less accessible, had been spared of the the brutal wake of their spoils and, till today, maintain some of their pristine charm and architectural marvel which transcends all religion. And although, the temples are no longer the singular centers of wealth and affluence, they remain the most priceless jewels of 5 millenia worth of culture and thought. It is here that the most cogent of all human thoughts is allowed to remain, after being filtered by the ruthlessly discriminating glance of time. In the light of all the people that are being senselessly killed everywhere, in the wake of people who pretend to be that which they are not, it brought to mind our current preponderance with money and wealth and other material oddities that, although conceptually trivial, nevertheless seem to take a firmer grip over our lives than we would like to admit. Perhaps this is why places of art are plundered and people have learnt to kill. So also it behooves us to ask "How far WILL we go?" There is perhaps some twisted joy that one can derive from the city of Madurai. The most cherished of our wealth, ironically, is also the most intangible. No machination can ever remove its traces and no power can stop its fervor. And even if we cannot save the trees for our children, they will still be able to find this essential wealth of human spirit under the worst of nuclear winters. Perhaps that portrait will never be quite so bleak but that's all the more reason to be gleeful. I suppose, everyone one of us, is ultimately the master of some form of disguise or the other. Be it one where we convince others of our ungainly predicaments or ourselves of our inauthentic securities, the result is ultimately the same - we find ourselves flying on the wings of reflection, staring down onto the deeds of the ages, complete slaves to the powerful message that lies therein. And once again, it's time to Masquerade. Peace, Ashoke. ____________________________________________________________________ Ashoke S. Talukdar | I'm writing you this letter from talukdar@morph.ebme.cwru.edu | some old hotel. I can feel the Home : 216-381-5872 | distance between us, from the Imaging Lab : 216-368-8812 | Spanish Steps to the Liberty Bell. MetroHealth : 216-778-8987 | I know the angels have seen us. Pager : 216-670-5872 | They've seen us baby... Cellular : 216-317-7079 | Fax : 216-368-4969 | Marc Cohn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:46:46 -0500 From: talukdar@morph.EBME.CWRU.Edu (Ashoke Talukdar) Subject: Notebook Hi gang: I think I have about 30 people who have responded to join the book effort. I would like to receive something from at least a few (say 5) people by the end of the month if not earlier. I think I now have a game plan as to what I will do with the layout. However, after all is said and done, my job is mainly that of compiling - - the important part really, is YOUR contribution, without which this won't work. So go ahead and start mailing things and we can get started. Don't worry about the format - I will work something out. Again, thanks for doing this folks! Ashoke. ____________________________________________________________________ Ashoke S. Talukdar | I'm writing you this letter from talukdar@morph.ebme.cwru.edu | some old hotel. I can feel the Home : 216-381-5872 | distance between us, from the Imaging Lab : 216-368-8812 | Spanish Steps to the Liberty Bell. MetroHealth : 216-778-8987 | I know the angels have seen us. Pager : 216-670-5872 | They've seen us baby... Cellular : 216-317-7079 | Fax : 216-368-4969 | Marc Cohn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 20:09:32 -0600 From: tom@cse.unl.edu, kelly&jordan Subject: lingerie & Joke Tom said: > >Count me in also. > >What shall I wear? What will I say? Ohh this is exciting! And then Ashoke responded: > Preferably NOT lingerie! And I say: Oh, c'mon.... I bet Tom looks real cute in lingerie. :-) tom sez; Wow, that is up to the eye of the beholder. But i like you already. Here is a joke for you. Tom Three musicians from Basia's band escape from prison. One was a bass player, one a drummer, and one,, well the vocalist. They ran for miles until they came upon an old barn where they decided to hide in the hayloft and rest. When they climbed up, they found three large gunnysacks and decided to climb into them for camouflage. About an hour later the sheriff and his deputy came into the barn. The sheriff told his deputy to go up and check out the hayloft. When he got up there the sheriff asked him what he saw and the deputy yelled back,"Just three gunnysacks."The sheriff told him to find out what was in them, so the deputy kicked the first sack, which had the bass player in it. The bassist went, "Bow-wow", so the deputy told the sheriff there was a dog in it. Then he kicked the sack with the drummer in it. the drummer went, "Meow", so the deputy told the sheriff there was a cat in it. Then he kicked the one with the Vocalist, and there was no sound at all. So he kicked it again, and finally the Vocalist said, "Potatoes" Bye. Tom ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V3 #188 ***************************