From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V3 #90 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Friday, May 15 1998 Volume 03 : Number 090 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Basia MP3 Archive [Samurai27 ] ROTFL! ["Diane F. Fisli" ] Peter White Website ["Diane F. Fisli" ] Re: THIS is what gives... [jp ] I give up [Meg Evans ] RE: I give up ["Stelmar, Kimberly" ] Meg gives up; I don't [combee@techwood.org (Ben Combee)] New topic: Basia on compilations [combee@techwood.org (Ben Combee)] Re: I give up [Jeff Hamilton ] Re: I give up [John Wilkens ] Re: New topic: Basia on compilations [Joel Cairo ] About the "Basia MP3 Archive" [Robert Burns ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 01:32:55 EDT From: Samurai27 Subject: Re: Basia MP3 Archive I would like Angel blush Thanks. Denis with one "N" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:45:13 -0700 From: "Diane F. Fisli" Subject: ROTFL! Phunny Phil phusses: >Meg's points sound like they are emanating from Basia's fat >manager, who can't for the life of him understand why his >clients won't get off their lazy butts and generate some >income, for crying out loud, but who has to come up with >some kind of an excuse otherwise he's not worth the retainer >he obtains annually for making up excuses, etc. etc. etc. GAWD!!! I'm dying, here!!! As usual, Phil, you have broken me up once again! :D (thanks for the splitting sides and the dusty clothes) (heh!) Suggestion: Since Basia is NOT connected to the internet and does not read these postings (unless perhaps Nicholas passes them along), we ALL need to send her a note or two telling her how much we appreciate her music. Sometimes being away from the limelight makes one "out of touch" with how the fans really feel. Maybe she needs a few cheerful notes - something to cause her to sit up and say, gee, maybe I'll finish that song today... Yes, I'm sure she's busy with her own life... But I'll bet she'd love to hear from us, even if she doesn't answer... I know it's difficult to write to someone who doesn't respond (right Den - with one "N" - is???), but I really think she would enjoy hearing from someone who values their Basia music collection and is eagerly anticipating her next release... In short, a little encouragement couldn't hurt. :) The address is the same P.O. box that is in the Time & Tide liner notes - I don't have it offhand, but it is in Biggin Hill. I'm sure someone will come up with it. WRITE!!! TTFN! --Di. Let us so live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry. -Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:53:21 -0700 From: "Diane F. Fisli" Subject: Peter White Website Just a small update on the Peter White Website - I have just put in a new newsletter - Peter's column and mine are updated with new text and pix. Peter is going to be in Maui at the Music Festival on 5-24 -- Anyone going to be there? I will be there (!!!). It would be great if we could meet! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Diane F. Fisli, Photographer \\ dfisli@musicats.com \\ check out my website work at: \\ "...If you follow your dreams... http://peterwhite.com // You can never go wrong..." http://musicats.com // http://skipperwise.com // --Peter White, Caravan of Dreams http://craigchaquico.net // ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please visit the OFFICIAL Peter White Website at http://peterwhite.com, or call the Peter White tour hotline at 818-973-3171 for information on upcoming concerts. :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 07:47:00 -0400 From: jp Subject: Re: THIS is what gives... We're FANS - the word comes from fanatic - we're supposed to be demanding. Now dammit Basia, I want a new CD - at least 12 new songs - personally delivered to my house no later than July 4 :^0. After all, it is 1998. un abrazo, juan At 07:38 PM 5/13/98 -0400, you wrote: > >At 06:24 PM 5/13/98 -0400, Ed Cidade wrote: >>Come back to us oh siren of the airwaves. We miss you. > >I think is a great summary of what Dennis (with two Ns) was trying to say, >as opposed to him believing it is his place to "demand" music from anyone. >Basia and Danny are wonderfully talented people and of course, we all >"wish" they'd put out three albums a year. At least I do. I don't think >Dennis meant to sound as evil as he has been misinterpreted as sounding. > >(English majors - feel free to suggest to me how I could've better worded >that last sentence.) > > >Jeff Hamilton - the capitalist >http://www.mindspring.com/~jeffhamilton/ > >to join the 461 (network), send a message to four.six.one@mindspring.com >and hope for the best > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:32:46 -0500 From: Meg Evans Subject: I give up Dennis, I did chuckle when I read the first line of your first response to my very long e-mail, because I'm not really THAT worked up about this subject. Struck a nerve, indeed! :) I still have to take issue with your idea that people with "special talents" SHOULD "contribute something." The implications are that: 1) if you have so-called "special talents" then you are obliged to display them publicly; 2) you should display your special talents at the demands of those who appreciate them. Basia and Danny have contributed much of their talents already! When is it okay for them to stop, or at least take a break? At any rate, judging by some of the responses the issue has generated, I have decided to remove myself from this list, which seems to be populated mostly with so-called "fans" concerned more with idle celebrity gossip than music appreciation. The idea that because you've invested a few dollars in a couple of CDs, concert tickets, or videos means you somehow own a share of the performer and, therefore, have a right to demand more work from them truly puzzles me. And the reference to Basia's "fat manager" ventures into territory I'm not at all interested in. I was hoping for some meaningful discourse between like-minded people on this list. I never expect people to agree with everything I say (or ANYthing I say), but I never expected that fans of Basia -- a woman whose public image is nothing if not gentle, kind and generous -- could be so absorbed in their need to live vicariously through her and her music. Of course, simply appreciating the same band doesn't mean we share much more than that. Small wonder that Nicholas has ANYTHING to pass along to his mother from this list. Now here's the really big question for you to ask yourselves: what if she NEVER makes another CD? Oh what will you do then? I am happy with the casual e-mail relationships I've established with a few of the intelligent people on this list, and hopefully will continue to correspond with them privately. One of those people IS, indeed, a musician who is actively writing and marketing his own music. It goes to show that those who CAN do; those who CAN'T sit in front of their PCs waiting for the next BasiaList e-mail to arrive. Adieu. Meg - ----------------------------------------- "First keep the peace within yourself, then you can also bring peace to others." --Thomas a Kempis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:28:39 -0500 From: "Stelmar, Kimberly" Subject: RE: I give up > "It goes to show that those who CAN do; those who CAN'T sit in front > of their PCs waiting for the next BasiaList e-mail to arrive. Adieu." > ok, is it just me, or am i not good enough to grace the presence of meg because i am not musically talented. HELLO- we all do not have basia and danny's talents, but hey, just because i am on a list that discusses these talents doesn't mean i am any less of a person than those who do have talents. get a life meg! > ---------- > From: Meg Evans[SMTP:megevans@clavin.interaccess.com] > Reply To: basia@smoe.org > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 1998 7:32 AM > To: basia@smoe.org > Subject: I give up > > > Dennis, I did chuckle when I read the first line of your first > response to > my very long e-mail, because I'm not really THAT worked up about this > subject. Struck a nerve, indeed! :) > > I still have to take issue with your idea that people with "special > talents" SHOULD "contribute something." The implications are that: > 1) if > you have so-called "special talents" then you are obliged to display > them > publicly; 2) you should display your special talents at the demands of > those who appreciate them. Basia and Danny have contributed much of > their > talents already! When is it okay for them to stop, or at least take a > break? > > At any rate, judging by some of the responses the issue has generated, > I > have decided to remove myself from this list, which seems to be > populated > mostly with so-called "fans" concerned more with idle celebrity gossip > than > music appreciation. The idea that because you've invested a few > dollars in > a couple of CDs, concert tickets, or videos means you somehow own a > share > of the performer and, therefore, have a right to demand more work from > them > truly puzzles me. And the reference to Basia's "fat manager" ventures > into > territory I'm not at all interested in. I was hoping for some > meaningful > discourse between like-minded people on this list. I never expect > people > to agree with everything I say (or ANYthing I say), but I never > expected > that fans of Basia -- a woman whose public image is nothing if not > gentle, > kind and generous -- could be so absorbed in their need to live > vicariously > through her and her music. Of course, simply appreciating the same > band > doesn't mean we share much more than that. Small wonder that Nicholas > has > ANYTHING to pass along to his mother from this list. Now here's the > really > big question for you to ask yourselves: what if she NEVER makes > another > CD? Oh what will you do then? > > I am happy with the casual e-mail relationships I've established with > a few > of the intelligent people on this list, and hopefully will continue to > correspond with them privately. One of those people IS, indeed, a > musician > who is actively writing and marketing his own music. It goes to show > that > those who CAN do; those who CAN'T sit in front of their PCs waiting > for the > next BasiaList e-mail to arrive. Adieu. > > Meg > > ----------------------------------------- > "First keep the peace within yourself, > then you can also bring peace to others." > --Thomas a Kempis > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:26:08 GMT From: combee@techwood.org (Ben Combee) Subject: Meg gives up; I don't Meg Evans writes: > I still have to take issue with your idea that people with "special > talents" SHOULD "contribute something." The implications are that: > 1) if you have so-called "special talents" then you are obliged to > display them publicly; 2) you should display your special talents at > the demands of those who appreciate them. Basia and Danny have > contributed much of their talents already! When is it okay for them > to stop, or at least take a break? As webmaster of BasiaWeb and occasional discusser of Basia here, I've stayed out of most of the "fan" posts here. This list has a bit of history, being most useful (in my opinion) as an information conduit when significant activity happens in the world of Basia and her entourage. My personal opinion on the subject is that 1) I'm deeply grateful for the body of work that exists now. If she never makes another album, she will have still done great things musically. 2) I would like to see more work from her. It is fair to judge her by the standards of her profession, where one album every four years is considered quite slow. 3) Speculation about why this delay exists is valid here. While she does have a private life that we should respect (and I think we have for the most part), talk of the delays and process in the past has been part of the public record. Articles released around the time of TSI painted a picture of a woman, enjoying the success she earned and using that time to find deeper personal meaning, then using that meaning to produce her strongest work (IMHO). As fans, we must work on the assumption that there will be new material. 4) Gripes about the delay are valid too. We're human, we get frustrated, we want more of what we like. Gripes should not dominate the discussion -- instead, they should be jumping boards to new ideas. Of course, there are other topics of discussion here such as - -- what related artists or groups (Matt Bianco, Peter White) are doing - -- other artists that people who appreciate Basia might appreciate - -- performances that have been lost and are now found - -- Sony's handling of her as an artist - -- fan-produced works inspired by Basia and so on... > At any rate, judging by some of the responses the issue has > generated, I have decided to remove myself from this list, which > seems to be populated mostly with so-called "fans" concerned more > with idle celebrity gossip than music appreciation. I am personally sorry that you've left the list, as you seemed to be an intelligent and articulate voice. The list has been amazingly interesting in the past -- members have let each other know when she would be on TV, what rare items exist, how she is viewed in other countries and cultures, In this case, it is difficult to separate the artist from the music and from the process. All are topical here. > The idea that because you've invested a few dollars in a couple of > CDs, concert tickets, or videos means you somehow own a share of the > performer and, therefore, have a right to demand more work from them > truly puzzles me. > what if she NEVER makes another CD? Oh what will you do then? What if Bach never makes another symphony? What will be do? If Basia decided to not continue her music career, we would be sad because we would not have any new material to hear, but we would also be glad that she made an impact on our lives. My theory: Basia is the Stanley Kubrick of music... a brief prolific era followed by long pauses between masterpieces. While I'd love to hear more music from her (and see more Kubrick films for that), she must work at her own pace. In the meantime, I'll do my best to form deeper insights into what she has done through the discussion on this list. - -- Benjamin L. Combee (combee@techwood.org) PS: <53706f6f6e21> 48 /Helvetica findfont scalefont setfont show showpage ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:51:16 GMT From: combee@techwood.org (Ben Combee) Subject: New topic: Basia on compilations OK, after the brief flame war, lets move on to another useful topic. I've been playing with the CD Database (www.cddb.com) a lot lately, getting my collection catalogues and contributing lots of track listings for rare items. Now that they have a proper search engine, I decided to search on Basia and see what I could find. What surprised me was the large number of "various artists" discs on which her music was featured. Here's the items: Various / A Fragrance Of Blue - SONY - Q3 Qubic - DEMO CD ! - Cruising For Bruising Various Artists / World/Jazz/New Age Sampler Volume 3 - New Day For You Various / WNUA 95.5 Smooth Jazz Sampler Volume 8 - Cruising for Bruising Various Artists / Smooth Jazz - 94.1 W S J T - Volume 1 - Cruising for Bruising various / All Woman - time and tide Various Artists / Voices of Women - Promises Various / Sony Digital Sampler - Promises Miscellaneous / Love Album 2 - From Now On Various / Street Sounds from Sony - Cruising for the bruising Various Artists / Adrenalina 2 - Transam rica - Drunk on Love Various / All my love II - Promises Various / Wave Aid 4 - Reward Various Artists / The Wave: Wave Aid II - Astrud Various / No Boundaries - Time and Tide Various / Autographs (for Target stores) - Time and Tide Misc / Mr Music Plus #8 - Cruising for Bruising Various / Ladies Night - Promises Various / Greenpeace Rainbow Warriors (Disc 2) - Miles Away First, it looks like Epic's marketing really went on a blitz trying to get her on lots of collection discs in the T&T and LWNY eras. The only TSI sone that appears on a compilation was "Drunk on Love", which apparently in on a dance mix album. Second, Basia seems to have a soft spot for benefit albums, with appearances on two of the Wave Aid discs and on the Greenpeace collection. Third, the guy who entered the "Street Sounds" disc didn't do a good job. Cruising for the bruising? What? Oh, a few items the search found that didn't fit, but are noteworthy. 1) There seems to be a Polish performer called Nasza Basia Kochana that shows up a few times with a song called "Za szyba". Any clues? 2) A group called Urbantor has a song called "Basia". No idea of the context, but they also have songs on the same album called "Polak" and "Urbal Tea". 3) The group Painters And Dockers has a song called "Basia". Comments? - -- Benjamin L. Combee (combee@techwood.org) PS: <53706f6f6e21> 48 /Helvetica findfont scalefont setfont show showpage ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:17:51 -0400 From: Jeff Hamilton Subject: Re: I give up I have to insist that a great deal of us are reading more into the word "demand" than we should be. And I hate to think that any of you wonderful people are leaving this list because of that. Being members of a "fan club" of sorts, it is in our nature to be antsy regarding the next release from Basia, for no other reason than because we all just think she's really great. Some of us might just be putting those feelings into words which can easily be misinterpreted. Things are looking good, still - could be better, there's always something to improve. [gee where did i come up with that] Jeff Hamilton - the capitalist http://www.mindspring.com/~jeffhamilton/ to join the 461 (network), send a message to four.six.one@mindspring.com and hope for the best ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:59:34 -0700 From: John Wilkens Subject: Re: I give up IMHO--Basia makes great music....which is more than I can say for some of the fan club member's words/comments. John W. At 04:17 PM 5/14/98 -0400, you wrote: > >I have to insist that a great deal of us are reading more into the word >"demand" than we should be. And I hate to think that any of you wonderful >people are leaving this list because of that. Being members of a "fan club" >of sorts, it is in our nature to be antsy regarding the next release from >Basia, for no other reason than because we all just think she's really >great. Some of us might just be putting those feelings into words which can >easily be misinterpreted. > >Things are looking good, still - could be better, there's always something >to improve. [gee where did i come up with that] > > >Jeff Hamilton - the capitalist >http://www.mindspring.com/~jeffhamilton/ > >to join the 461 (network), send a message to four.six.one@mindspring.com >and hope for the best > > John Wilkens ~~~~~~~~~~~~In the wide-open spaces of NE Oregon~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:18:47 -0700 From: Joel Cairo Subject: Re: New topic: Basia on compilations Ben Combee wrote: > > OK, after the brief flame war, lets move on to another useful topic. > > I've been playing with the CD Database (www.cddb.com) a lot lately, > getting my collection catalogues and contributing lots of track > listings for rare items. Now that they have a proper search engine, I > decided to search on Basia and see what I could find. What surprised > me was the large number of "various artists" discs on which her music > was featured. > > Here's the items: > >[snip] > Comments? > -- Just one to add, Ben... I found *this* various artists CD while searching a radio station for that @#%$!&# live promotional CD of hers that never turns up... Label: Epic/Portrait Associated ASK-1468 (released 1989) Title: Take a Hit - -includes "Promises" by Basia ...just one more to add to the list! - -Kevin Segura soundmn0@gte.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:32:10 -0500 From: Robert Burns Subject: About the "Basia MP3 Archive" I have a great deal of experience with the creation and use of MP3 files and have always thought how cool it would be to trade around some of Basia's rarer stuff in this format. I've done a number of Basia tunes off to MP3 and would gladly help anyone put together a collection for the group. - -Robert - -- "When the flames have their season; Will you still hold your reason? Loaded down with your talents; Can you still keep your balance?" -Emerson, Lake & Palmer ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V3 #90 **************************