From: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org (basia-digest) To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V3 #10 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Sender: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Thursday, January 15 1998 Volume 03 : Number 010 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Basia video project: status update ["William Daystrom" ] Re: Basia Compilation [jp ] Re: Basia video project: status update [combee@techwood.org (Ben Combee)] Re: Basia Compilation [Somegirl99 ] Half a Minute? [was RE: Basia video project: status update] [Brian Cundie] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:18:59 -0800 From: "William Daystrom" Subject: Re: Basia video project: status update >Good question! Based on my equipment, I'm looking at these data >rates: 320x240 24 bit color, 30 frames per second, 22KHz mono audio. >That should run around 150KBps and will work on 2x or faster CD >drives. Your computer probably will need to be at least a Pentium 90 >to handle the decompression, (i'm not sure about the Mac equivalent). Ben, 320x240 sounds good; I have some MPEG's that are similar resolution and they look very good -- even when scaled to full-screen. We have to remember that TV is not exactly a high-resolution medium anyway, so we aren't losing *that* much detail. 24-bit color is also good, though you might get away with 16-bit color too. You'd save space, and the difference in color quality would probably be negligible. 22-kHz mono audio -- I wish we could find a way to get that up to stereo. I know that higher quality eats up bytes in a hurry, especially when you go to 44-kHz 16-bit stereo. Perhaps lowering the color depth to 16-bit will save enough space to allow an "upgrade" to the audio? I really don't know much about MPEG encoding, if it isn't already blatantly obvious, so please correct me where I'm wrong! I have some MPEG's that run 10MB/minute that have near-CD-quality stereo audio, so I would guess that it can be done. Of course, it's probably a $10,000 encoder board that does that kind of compression. Oh, by the way, is it too early to sign up for the Basia Video Project on DVD-RAM? ;-) Thanks for your hard work, Ben. Your Project has given us something wonderful to look forward to, besides the next remix of Half-A-Minute! William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 04:04:10 -0400 From: roach2@juno.com (js Lohr) Subject: Re: Basia Compilation On Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:45:40 EST Somegirl99 writes: >Larry said: > >> Ben deserves MAXIMUM appreciation and ZERO WHINING >> regarding the compilation > >Here! Here! > >I didn't see anybody else volunteering to do the project. No one else >wants to spent countless hours of their own time slaving over a project for >people they don't even know. The only thing anybody's willing to do, is to send in >their material and to volunteer to help copy the finished product... both >easy jobs. Um, allow me to quote a message I pulled out of the list archives. Notice the posting date: From: "J.S. Lohr" Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 02:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Basia videos ... Anyway, on a more relevant note, I'm curious to hear some responses to my following idea: With summer riding high on the horizon bringing with it the promise of some well-deserved slacking hours for myself, I'm thinking of putting together one super-duper bootlegged collection of Basia TV performances for the benefit of those out there who seem to be aching for video stuff. I could probably fit a basic all-out collection on a 160 minute tape, so... If anyone has any interest in this, let me know and I'll see what I can come up with... if not, go back whatever it was that you were doing. Toodles! ...what was that you said? >I didn't see anybody else volunteering to do the project. Shall I post the original again? That message was the starting point of this whole bloody mess. I was more than willing to sit down and make copies of everything I had for anyone who wanted it more than a year and a half ago. For better or worse, the idea snowballed out of control and responsibility was subsequently taken out of my hands. I'd gotten the idea from another musical mailing list (the Level 42 list for you list crossovers out there--I believe they were the "Bob C" tapes or something like that) where a fellow had managed to piece together something like 8+ hours of footage and made this footage available to the public at large. Public demand was kept under control by limiting the amount of time that the tapes were available for purchase. And, if I remember correctly, the tapes themselves weren't that much when it came to cost. I was preparing to make a copy -a VHS copy- of these performances for anyone who wanted them a LONG TIME AGO. Then the talk of "quality" came into the equation--from SVHS to digital linear editing to Malaysian recording equipment or something like that... the project lost touch with the original focus eons ago--to get people a copy of this stuff, PRONTO. What's the old saying? "Beggars can't be choosers..." When it comes to whining, I doubt anyone would've complained about having a video copy of any of this stuff over a year ago, reguardless of the quality. JSL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:34:44 -0600 From: "William F. G. McAbee" Subject: Re: Basia Compilation Stop whining and take what you can get. Oh... and don't forget to say > "thanks!". > > Jacki I wouldn't consider whining, since I appreciate very much what Ben is doing. And while I don't have either the source material nor the time nor the equipment to contribute, that makes me no less appreciate of what a fellow Basia junkie is doing for a collection of strangers. thanks Ben! Bill in Dallas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:11:47 -0500 From: jp Subject: Re: Basia Compilation J.S. Lohr wrote: >What's the old saying? "Beggars can't be choosers..." >When it comes to whining, I doubt anyone would've complained about having >a video copy of any of this stuff over a year ago, reguardless of the >quality. > >JSL Why would we have expected anything quickly? After all, this is Basia we're talking about. un abrazo, juan .... waiting for '98 ... oops, it's here. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:48:02 GMT From: combee@techwood.org (Ben Combee) Subject: Re: Basia video project: status update William Daystrom writes: > 22-kHz mono audio -- I wish we could find a way to get that up to > stereo. I know that higher quality eats up bytes in a hurry, > especially when you go to 44-kHz 16-bit stereo. Perhaps lowering > the color depth to 16-bit will save enough space to allow an > "upgrade" to the audio? I really don't know much about MPEG > encoding, if it isn't already blatantly obvious, so please correct > me where I'm wrong! I have some MPEG's that run 10MB/minute that > have near-CD-quality stereo audio, so I would guess that it can be > done. Of course, it's probably a $10,000 encoder board that does > that kind of compression. I'll look into the 16-vs-24, mono-vs-stereo setup. One problem I've had is that a lot of the source material is in mono, as that was the dominant format of VHS VCR's back around 1988-1992 when most of this was taped, plus many of the shows weren't broadcast in stereo anyway. How about this: mono for most clips, but if the sound is available in stereo, I'll try to preserve that. I'll also look and see how bad the size increase is from 22KHz to 44KHz in proportion to the video quality. > Oh, by the way, is it too early to sign up for the Basia Video Project on > DVD-RAM? ;-) Yes! > Thanks for your hard work, Ben. Your Project has given us something > wonderful to look forward to, besides the next remix of > Half-A-Minute! Hmmmm.... how about the Phil's-gas-station-reception-hold mix? :) - -- Benjamin L. Combee (combee@techwood.org) Signatures are the bumper stickers of the information superhighway. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:22:29 EST From: Somegirl99 Subject: Re: Basia Compilation Roach says: > That message was the starting point of this whole bloody mess. OK, I stand corrected. I should have known, since you're usually the one with the good ideas. > ... the project lost touch with the original focus eons ago--to get people a copy of > this stuff, PRONTO. > What's the old saying? "Beggars can't be choosers..." > When it comes to whining, I doubt anyone would've complained about having > a video copy of any of this stuff over a year ago, reguardless of the quality. And I can't believe you're complaining because it's taking so long. Yes, I also thought it would only take a couple of months... and I also want a VHS copy (old computer) and wouldn't have complained about the quality. But geez, Roach... someone's doing something nice for you. You don't complain when someone's doing you a favor. What if the shoe was on the other foot and people were getting ticked that you were taking so long? Would you tell us to take a hike? Eventually get fed up with the flak and stop in the middle of the project? I probably would... get fed up with all y'all and drop it like a hot potato. I just hope Ben's a nicer person then I... and with more patience. Jacki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:20:42 -0600 From: Brian Cundieff Subject: Half a Minute? [was RE: Basia video project: status update] - ---------- From: William Daystrom[SMTP:daystrom@soca.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 01:18 >Thanks for your hard work, Ben. Your Project has given us something >wonderful to look forward to, besides the next remix of Half-A-Minute! >William Hey! "Half a Minute" is one of my favorite Basia songs! (Well, I guess it's a Matt Bianco song, but whatever.) How many different versions are there and what CDs are they on? - -Brian* P.S.- Thanks again to Ben for all the time and $$$ he's put into the video project. At least 99% of us really do appreciate you. ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V3 #10 **************************