From: owner-basia-digest To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V1 #188 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Sunday, 4 August 1996 Volume 01 : Number 188 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: basia-digest V1 #186 Re: basia-digest V1 #185 Re: basia-digest V1 #185 Those Kooky Estefans Re: Those Kooky Estefans ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jacki@magicnet.net (Jacki) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 02:01:12 -0400 Subject: Re: basia-digest V1 #186 >David sed: > >>> Just hope she doesn't have another baby! What baby?!?!? >Jacki answered Phil: > >>Alright! No more peanut butter & jelly sandwiches for me... I'm moving up to >>baloney! > >Plenty of that around here, Jacki! ;) Yeah, so I've noticed. :-) To Roach - I got the CD today (WSAYO). It took 2 weeks (that's so embarrassing... musta been your PO). I listened to it real quick, it's ok, but definitely not going to be one of my favorites. I did notice a difference in Half a Minute... her voice has 'grown'... more mature now, fuller, richer... better. Jacki (who happens to like big guys with beards) ------------------------------ From: paxety Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 06:45:36 -0400 Subject: Re: basia-digest V1 #185 >That's OK, as I had the time to indulge in reading when it was that I read >a couple of her things. It ain't easy getting that kind of time, any more. >Let's just say Michael Douglas's soliloquy on 'greed' in the movie _Wall >Street_ epitomizes her message in her book, _Atlas Shrugged_. But the >book is much more better, and has the added benefit of an extremely >attractive heroine named Dagny Taggart, who rules. It is, I should warn >the uninitiated, a conservative primer, so beware. > It's actually an objectiveist primer. The conservatives hate a real Randist almost as much as the liberals. I was almost one at one point before I became a libertarian. I would strongly recommend reading it. Even if you don't adopt the political philosophy, it gives you a very different way of looking at Washington. > > >Who knows what happened when the contract between Basia and SONY . "If it wer'ent for PROMOTION, we'd be makin mony!" Take a look at another Sony artist who is not married to Tommy Mattola, Gloria Estefan. Her husband actively manages her career, organizes tours, a recording schedule that's seen three albums since TSI, a huge promotional deal with Sears, and CD ROM stuff on her latest album. But when we got a call at the station about the CD ROM stuff not working on a viewer's computer, I called Sony to ask about hardware requirements to play the CD. The goobers there did not even know there was a CD ROM version. I had to call Estefan Enterprises in Miami to get the information. So, it seems an artist must take care of career advancement and business through management and let the record company cut records (hey - it's been a long time since I was a rock star) and distribute them. I've always believed you make things happen, particularly in the music business. If she wants to do more, she'll have to do it. As Roach said, she probably does not. I'm back on the trail of "Waters of March" un abrazo, juan ------------------------------ From: Philip B Hall Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 08:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: basia-digest V1 #185 On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, paxety wrote: > >attractive heroine named Dagny Taggart, who rules. It is, I should warn > >the uninitiated, a conservative primer, so beware. > > > It's actually an objectiveist primer. The conservatives hate a real Randist > almost as much as the liberals. I was almost one at one point before I > became a libertarian. I would strongly recommend reading it. Even if you > don't adopt the political philosophy, it gives you a very different way of > looking at Washington. You're right: the message in the book might be stated: "If the idea is good, then get out of the way while I implement it, please". Conservatives and liberals both have gut feelings to which they KNOW everyone else SHOULD adhere. I didn't know you were a libertarian - I had gotten the impression you worked in broadcasting? > > > > > >Who knows what happened when the contract between Basia and SONY > . "If it wer'ent for PROMOTION, we'd be makin mony!" > > Take a look at another Sony artist who is not married to Tommy Mattola, > Gloria Estefan. Her husband actively manages her career, organizes tours, a > recording schedule that's seen three albums since TSI, a huge promotional > deal with Sears, and CD ROM stuff on her latest album. But when we got a > call at the station about the CD ROM stuff not working on a viewer's > computer, I called Sony to ask about hardware requirements to play the CD. > The goobers there did not even know there was a CD ROM version. I had to > call Estefan Enterprises in Miami to get the information. So, it seems an > artist must take care of career advancement and business through management > and let the record company cut records (hey - it's been a long time since I > was a rock star) and distribute them. > I've always believed you make things happen, particularly in the music > business. If she wants to do more, she'll have to do it. As Roach said, she > probably does not. > I'm back on the trail of "Waters of March" > un abrazo, > juan > I can see the Estefans taking the reins of Gloria's/their career. Their relationship seems strong and focussed. They've been through it together and know what they want. Basia, on the other hand, seems to have had a bit more difficulty both personally and professionally. (I don't know how this relates, but the MattB video of _WSAYO_ glimpsed briefly in the VH1 special has her looking emaciated, almost like she had just escaped the concentration camp at Dachau, NOT healthy and properly nourished at all). Fleeing commitments (her child), floating through relationships, forced to feel inadequate by being an immigrant, etc.etc. After a lot of struggle, success explodes in her face, and.....I guess I don't see her ability to handle it smoothly, and I suspect a LOT of her business decisions are left to the pros who settle on her. I mean, she lists her LAWYER among her production staff on TSI, for gosh sake. I have the feeling some of those folks continue to advise her that it is too early (!) in her career for her to be thinking about how it should be directed, or that it HELPS her career by putting out an album once in a generation, or that SSSSSSSSONY has the right idea when they don't promote them (even though she agrees to those gruelling tours). Who knows. Phil (who visits the local libertary regularly) ------------------------------ From: "J.S. Lohr" Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 20:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Those Kooky Estefans On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, paxety wrote: > It's actually an objectiveist primer. The conservatives hate a real Randist > almost as much as the liberals. I was almost one at one point before I > became a libertarian. I would strongly recommend reading it. Even if you > don't adopt the political philosophy, it gives you a very different way of > looking at Washington. What the HELL are you guys talking about? > >Who knows what happened when the contract between Basia and SONY > . "If it wer'ent for PROMOTION, we'd be makin mony!" > > Take a look at another Sony artist who is not married to Tommy Mattola, > Gloria Estefan. Her husband actively manages her career, organizes tours, a > recording schedule that's seen three albums since TSI, a huge promotional > deal with Sears, and CD ROM stuff on her latest album. But when we got a > call at the station about the CD ROM stuff not working on a viewer's > computer, I called Sony to ask about hardware requirements to play the CD. > The goobers there did not even know there was a CD ROM version. I had to > call Estefan Enterprises in Miami to get the information. So, it seems an > artist must take care of career advancement and business through management > and let the record company cut records (hey - it's been a long time since I > was a rock star) and distribute them. Well, no one ever said Sony was God. And frankly, I'm starting to think that its not just SONY per se, but more specifically Sony *USA*. Juan, look at your situation again: why do you think Tommy Mottola is about to quite possibly lose his job. The big boys in Tokyo are not happy at all with the way things have been going here in the States. Plus, I think Gloria Estefan is a more realistic comparion than Celine Dion, but Gloria Estefan is also at a level of popularity that Basia could only attain in a best case scenario. If TIME AND TIDE had more successful singles, if LWNY hadn't flopped (and also had more successful singles), if there wasn't a four year gap between albums... add it all up and you get a very fictional career for Basia. Maybe then there'd be a Water of March CD ROM... ;) > I've always believed you make things happen, particularly in the music > business. If she wants to do more, she'll have to do it. As Roach said, she > probably does not. Well, now, don't quote me on that. But, telling from the mysterious circumstances which caused a two year delay in the production of TSI, I seriously doubt Sony nor Dee Anthony sat back and said, "No, Basia. To hell with you - we're waiting another two years to release your album." I mean, look at the facts: Sony, Dee Anthony, and everyone associated with the business aspect of that album had planned on TSI being released by Christmas 1992. A tour was probably going to take place in Spring `93. Realistically, things don't get delayed for two years unless the head player wants to go to the south of France and hug olive trees. `Nuff said? Toodles! JSL ------------------------------ From: Philip B Hall Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 22:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Those Kooky Estefans On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, J.S. Lohr wrote: > On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, paxety wrote: > > > It's actually an objectiveist primer. The conservatives hate a real Randist > > almost as much as the liberals. I was almost one at one point before I > > became a libertarian. I would strongly recommend reading it. Even if you > > don't adopt the political philosophy, it gives you a very different way of > > looking at Washington. > > What the HELL are you guys talking about? Read th' book, Jeff. Gutenberg died for your sins of ommission. > > > >Who knows what happened when the contract between Basia and SONY > > . "If it wer'ent for PROMOTION, we'd be makin mony!" > > > > Take a look at another Sony artist who is not married to Tommy Mattola, > > Gloria Estefan. Her husband actively manages her career, organizes tours, a > > recording schedule that's seen three albums since TSI, a huge promotional > > deal with Sears, and CD ROM stuff on her latest album. But when we got a > > call at the station about the CD ROM stuff not working on a viewer's > > computer, I called Sony to ask about hardware requirements to play the CD. > > The goobers there did not even know there was a CD ROM version. I had to > > call Estefan Enterprises in Miami to get the information. So, it seems an > > artist must take care of career advancement and business through management > > and let the record company cut records (hey - it's been a long time since I > > was a rock star) and distribute them. > > Well, no one ever said Sony was God. And frankly, I'm starting to think > that its not just SONY per se, but more specifically Sony *USA*. > Juan, look at your situation again: why do you think Tommy Mottola is > about to quite possibly lose his job. The big boys in Tokyo are not happy > at all with the way things have been going here in the States. > Plus, I think Gloria Estefan is a more realistic comparion than Celine > Dion, but Gloria Estefan is also at a level of popularity that Basia could > only attain in a best case scenario. If TIME AND TIDE had more successful > singles, if LWNY hadn't flopped (and also had more successful singles), if > there wasn't a four year gap between albums... add it all up and you get a > very fictional career for Basia. Maybe then there'd be a Water of March CD > ROM... ;) I prefer a FANTASY career: Basia singin a duet with Frank Sinatra, stuff like that. > > > I've always believed you make things happen, particularly in the music > > business. If she wants to do more, she'll have to do it. As Roach said, she > > probably does not. > > Well, now, don't quote me on that. But, telling from the mysterious > circumstances which caused a two year delay in the production of TSI, I > seriously doubt Sony nor Dee Anthony sat back and said, "No, Basia. To > hell with you - we're waiting another two years to release your album." > I mean, look at the facts: Sony, Dee Anthony, and everyone associated with the > business aspect of that album had planned on TSI being released by > Christmas 1992. A tour was probably going to take place in Spring `93. > Realistically, things don't get delayed for two years unless the head > player wants to go to the south of France and hug olive trees. > `Nuff said? > No. That was Kevin who did that. B went to Banff and wrenched an ankle, remember? Phil (who long before Lauren suspected Basia was a mother) ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V1 #188 ***************************