From: owner-basia-digest To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V1 #175 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Monday, 22 July 1996 Volume 01 : Number 175 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Time and Tide - Chords? Re: Time and Tide - Chords? Re: basia-digest V1 #174 Re: Time and Tide - Chords? Re: Time and Tide - Chords? Re: Time and Tide - Chords? Re: Time and Tide - Chords? Re: basia-digest V1 #169 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jacki@magicnet.net (Jacki) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:35:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Time and Tide - Chords? >Hi.. I'm new to the list, and hope there are some musicians here. Does >anyone know the chord progression for Time and Tide? It is something like > >G Dm C Cm B Bm Am D > >but the B-Bm-Am part doesn't sound quite right. Neither does G-Bm-Am. > >Jay > > Try: G Dm7 C F7 Em7 A7 D7 The chorus is: G /E /F /C /D G /E /F /C /D G /E /F /C /D G C/D G Dm7 C F7 Em7 A D7 I don't know anything about chords, and I can't play the guitar... but I've got the sheet music for it... need a copy? Jacki ------------------------------ From: "Vince Mora" Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 23:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Time and Tide - Chords? > Hi.. I'm new to the list, and hope there are some musicians here. Does > anyone know the chord progression for Time and Tide? It is something like > > G Dm C Cm B Bm Am D > > but the B-Bm-Am part doesn't sound quite right. Neither does G-Bm-Am. You're right, that Bmaj doesn't fit. I hear a chord with a B-natural, a D-natural and an E-natural -- don't know what you call this kind of chord. I know the E-natural is there because the bass hangs on it in that bar, and playing this chord fits. Also, your Dmin is wrong -- you are hearing an F and an A correctly, but there's no D -- this should really be an Fmaj chord. Here's what I hear (with yours above it for reference): ( Gmaj Dmin Cmaj Cmin Bmaj Bmin Amin Dmaj ) E Gmaj Fmaj Cmaj Cmin D Amaj Amin Dmaj B I'm not sure about that Amin, I think it's something more complex. Also, in verse 2 she goes from the Amaj straight to Dmaj, instead of the Amin or whatever that is. Hope this helps, Vince - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Vince Mora, Synthmedia Web Design email: synth@swcp.com http://www.swcp.com/synth/ voice: USA: 505 332 0139 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Oh, it's a *Unix* system!" -- Lex, in JURASSIC PARK ------------------------------ From: rsystem2@juno.com (Jeff Hamilton) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 02:07:37 EDT Subject: Re: basia-digest V1 #174 Jay@aol.com asked if anyone knew the chord progression for Time and Tide... G - Dm7 - C - F - Em7 - A7 - D7 (based on the progression you wrote, I assume you're talking strictly about the verses and not the chorus or other parts (?) )... (chorus) G - Dm7 - C - F7 - Em7 - A - D7 (massive difference there...) Jeff Hamilton, patiently awaiting the closing ceremonies of the bloody Olympics... 770.621.5777 / rsystem2@juno.com somewhere near Atlanta, Georgia, U.S. of A http://www.dynamic-web.com/rsystem/people/jHamilton/home.htm ------------------------------ From: "Vince Mora" Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 00:28:20 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Time and Tide - Chords? > >anyone know the chord progression for Time and Tide? It is something like > >G Dm C Cm B Bm Am D > >but the B-Bm-Am part doesn't sound quite right. Neither does G-Bm-Am. > > Try: G Dm7 C F7 Em7 A7 D7 ^^^ Wild! I was hearing the 7 in that chord while Jay was hearing the D ... > I don't know anything about chords, Neither do I, and plus I tend to hear things in triads only. As was obvious from my last post. :-) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Vince Mora, Synthmedia Web Design email: synth@swcp.com http://www.swcp.com/synth/ voice: USA: 505 332 0139 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Oh, it's a *Unix* system!" -- Lex, in JURASSIC PARK ------------------------------ From: Jay@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 05:49:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Time and Tide - Chords? Three other people who -also- are home on a Saturday night wrote... Jacki thinks (and Jeff Hamilton concurs): > Try: G Dm7 C F7 Em7 A7 D7 Maybe what I hear as Cm is really the F7? It's the Eb that I hear. But F7 doesn't sound nearly as good on guitar.. hm. Em7 may be what the sheet music says, but on guitar it sounds horrible. It sticks an E right in the middle of the chord where you want to hear a D. I think Bm7(11) sounds great, it adds a C. That's played x20230, which is ASCII for BDACE. > > The chorus is: G /E /F /C /D G /E /F /C /D G /E /F /C /D G C/D G Dm7 C F7 > Em7 A D7 > Yes, that's the bass line. The chords are really just G F C (a common progression). > I don't know anything about chords, and I can't play the guitar... but I've > got the sheet music for it... need a copy? No, I'd never copy sheet music - that is copyrighted, although usually depressingly inaccurate. I'm going to pick up a copy as soon as I can find one locally, just for interesting reference. Most sheet music is transcribed just as we are doing now - "Hey, what do you think, D?" "No, I definitely hear a G there.." And since it wasn't performed on guitar, the chord diagrams are usually poor guesses. There's a piano going G G(4) back and forth the whole time, too, which confuses things. But Vince thinks... > E > Gmaj Fmaj Cmaj Cmin D Amaj Amin Dmaj > B Interesting, that F. The bass is definitely on D, but F(6) sounds weird. I presume your Cmaj(add E) (add B) is a C7? On guitar the E is always emphasized in a C since it's the highest note. The bass is definitely hovering on the 7th a lot of the time, but I'm not sure that always makes for the best chord on guitar. Best combination I hear now is G Dm7 It's hard for me to stop my heart C Cm Love never knows when the time is right Bm7(11) A7 Don't want to hurt anybody but D7 Can't help loving you One thing IS clear: There is a single-note progression of G F E Eb D Db C D Any comments on my comments? Interesting how we can hear the same song so differently. That's the fun part of transposing from piano to guitar. Jay ------------------------------ From: Jay@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 15:32:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Time and Tide - Chords? In a message dated 96-07-21 05:47:57 EDT, I write: > G Dm7 > It's hard for me to stop my heart > C Cm > Love never knows when the time is right > Bm7(11) A7 > Don't want to hurt anybody but > D7 > Can't help loving you OK, I have my own corrections. Everyone was right, I was wrong; it's F7, not Cm. Guitarists, you need to play the "difficult" F7 (131241) instead of the usual 131211 for it to sound right. I was also way off on Bm7(11), but listening to the song over and over, I'm convinced Em7 isn't right either (yes, I know it's what the sheet says). There is a G from the piano, a G from the backing vocals, and an F from the bass. Given the way the rest of the song is orchestrated, that strongly suggests a G7, and that seems to work well. Plus I don't know of any (worthwhile) chord with E, F, and G in it. So my current belief for the verses is: G Dm7 C F7 G7 A7 D7 Jay ------------------------------ From: paxety Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 18:50:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Time and Tide - Chords? Plus I don't know of any >(worthwhile) chord with E, F, and G in it. So my current belief for the >verses is: > >G Dm7 C F7 G7 A7 D7 > >Jay > Haven't played much bossa nova, have you? Any note, any combination. It's almost like Schoenberg or Webern in that way. (Man, that's pulling up a memory from a long time ago - let's see, Basia and Danny writing a song using the serialization of both tonal and non-tonal parameters.) This has been a very interesting conversation - one of the best since I've joined the list. un abrazo, juan ------------------------------ From: Philip B Hall Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 20:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: basia-digest V1 #169 On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Diane F. Fisli wrote: > Well, now that you mention it... ;) > > How about a list of songs you'd like to hear (SEE!) Basia record (cover)... > Di, I've noted a less-than-huge response to this challenge/topic. And challenging it is to link St. B's vocal prowess to composers outside her circle - but not impossible. However, the key is to have her commit to a body of work, rather than a specific title. Dedicate an entire album to 'em. Let HER pick the tunes. That allows her (or any artist wishing to compliment another) an opportunity for her curiosity to roam. Stevie Wonder would have been worth pursuing, and everyone who has heard what she did with the song she used would agree there is a BUNCH of his stuff she could rework. It might be considered a DESIGNER approach to the idea. Not a new idea (Holly Cole did Tom Waits recently. Lotsa folks did Elon John. Natalie Cole (no relation) did her Dad, etc. etc...: So: MY LIST OF COMPOSERS BASIA SHOULD CONSIDER COVERING 1. Stevie Wonder 2. Carole King (already mentioned hereabouts) 3. Kurt Weill (a local to her, no doubt) 4. Donald Fagan (whose cover of Dion's `Ruby Baby' stands alone. _Ricki Don't Lose That Number_ would be a good start) 5. Brian Wilson 6. George Gershwin (rmember, I'm the one who always brings up Ethel Merman) 7. Burt Bachrach/Hal David 8. Stephen Foster 9. Lennon/McCartney (why not?) 10. Leroy Anderson (No lyrics? Let her write some) Gilbert and Sullivan might be a stretch, but put them on the bench as reserves. Same with Cole Porter. Phil (who thinks Surf Music is OK, even tho DicK Dale is from Quincy, Mass.) ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V1 #175 ***************************