From: owner-basia-digest To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V1 #147 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Monday, 17 June 1996 Volume 01 : Number 147 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Subject: Re: Different views Re: Subject: Re: Different views acronym Re: Different views Re: Subject: Re: Different views Re: Subject: Re: Different views Re: Subject: Re: Different views ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: akb02@rs1.rrz.uni-koeln.de (Dirk Pilat) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 19:25:02 +0200 Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Different views At 07:46 Uhr 14.06.1996, Philip B Hall wrote: > >A couple of weeks back Matt Bianco made a rare live appearance in Germany >at a gay rights/pride festival. This was relayed grandly via the MattB >list, and so can be assumed to be legitimate. However, such is how rumors >grow and spread, and if the above has no "meaning" (wink,wink) or is >totally false then I admit culpability in such activity. It was the first >I had heard of their orientation, and if true, makes me wonder about all >of the 'girl' references in their songs. At such a venue, they would want >to choose their play list carefully, I would think. > >Phil Well, as we have a gay community in German, which is very commercially orientated, hip and extraordinary well financially standing, it is a very interesting group for every advertising company and the music industry, so they try to push rather "classy" acts also to that community, as they are a very important multiplicator in Germany (loads of gays in politics, showbusiness, management, etc...). It is pretty normal for a big musical act in Germany to appear on gay happenings, as they attract hundred thousands of people (like the annual christopher street day in Cologne, who attracted more that 200.000 gays from all over Europe). I am quite heterosexual and still listen to such openly gay artists like Jimmy Sommervill and KD Lang, but I think Mark Reilly and Mark Fisher are both married..... Dirk Dirk Pilat, Medical Student 4 months before graduation University of Cologne, FRG Fax: ++ 49221 4201000 | http://www.rrz.uni-koeln.de/~akb02 Member of the Internet Dermatology Society | Maintainer of the Matt Bianco Mailinglist ------------------------------ From: "Jeff @ Rust Systems" Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 13:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Different views (with regards to recent posts by Phillip B. Hall and Dirk Pilat): Up and beyond what you all have said, I don't see what is unusual about gay people wanting to listen to heterosexual artists. So saying that "it makes me wonder about all of the 'girl' references in their songs...At such a venue, they would want to choose their play list carefully, I would think..." seems a little silly. Also, like Dirk, I am also "quite heterosexual and...listen to...gay artists" but it's not because they're gay, it's because they're good. I've always wondered why people make a big deal about this sort of thing. The reason I don't own any k.d.lang records (for example) is because I don't like her music. Just a thought, Jeff @ Rust Systems 770-621-5777 "A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." - Calvin (of "Calvin & Hobbes", by Bill Watterson) pyftn ------------------------------ From: TJGG54A@prodigy.com ( RICHARD DECASTRO) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 17:31:07, -0500 Subject: acronym >Actually, BASIA is also an acronym. It's short of > >B = Basia >A = Armpit >S = Sooo >I = Insanely >A = Awful :) >Very sorry, for Basia's avid fans. It's only another joke. >- -- >signed, >Dody Suria Wijaya >0495030341 !fhorhevher C.R.! As long as we're only joking, actually B-A-S-I-A stands for: B = Bad- A = ass S = Samba I = Influenced A = Artist ------------------------------ From: soedjais@rad.net.id (Dody Suria Wijaya) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:34:51 GMT Subject: Re: Different views >I'm telling you, I saw it for $11 at the Wal-Mart in North Glen Burnie. >Now, this was about 6 months ago and the redneck idiots may have >smartened up since then but IT WAS THAT MUCH!!! > >Toodles! $11? in my place it's only Rp. 30.000,- or about $13 for the CD version. And Rp. 10.000,- or about $4 for the tape version. And it's not pirated price. For the pirated one, cost only a quarter of those prices. - -- signed, Dody Suria Wijaya 0495030341 !fhorhevher C.R.! ------------------------------ From: Philip B Hall Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Different views On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Dirk Pilat wrote: > At 07:46 Uhr 14.06.1996, Philip B Hall wrote: > > > > >A couple of weeks back Matt Bianco made a rare live appearance in Germany > >at a gay rights/pride festival. This was relayed grandly via the MattB ^^^^^^^^^^^ (Hey, you didn't mention my attempt at subliminal advertising!) > >list, and so can be assumed to be legitimate. However, such is how rumors > >grow and spread, and if the above has no "meaning" (wink,wink) or is > >totally false then I admit culpability in such activity. It was the first > >I had heard of their orientation, and if true, makes me wonder about all > >of the 'girl' references in their songs. At such a venue, they would want > >to choose their play list carefully, I would think. > > > >Phil > > Well, as we have a gay community in German, which is very commercially > orientated, hip and extraordinary well financially standing, it is a very > interesting group for every advertising company and the music industry, so > they try to push rather "classy" acts also to that community, as they are a > very important multiplicator in Germany (loads of gays in politics, > showbusiness, management, etc...). It is pretty normal for a big musical > act in Germany to appear on gay happenings, as they attract hundred > thousands of people (like the annual christopher street day in Cologne, who > attracted more that 200.000 gays from all over Europe). Well there you go. Economics, exposure, and the traditional envelope-pushing of German popular entertainment (a bit on the kinky/risque end of things, as I have come to understand it - - probably a myth I am a slave to) must certainly have gone into the mix that determined their appearance at that function. It's too bad the Marks don't see similar potential elsewhere - where the REAL market is. It seems a shame to me that they'll only limit their commercial viability by making the kind of statement they made by appearing at a venue that promotes diviciveness, whether they support it or not. That's the root of MY dismay and confusion at the news of the appearance. I have yet to buy ANY product based on an artists politics. > > I am quite heterosexual and still listen to such openly gay artists like > Jimmy Sommervill and KD Lang, but I think Mark Reilly and Mark Fisher are > both married..... I'm not familiar with Jimmy, but I certainly (and OPENLY) love kd's work. I think part of any gay artist's success (in popular music, at any rate) will be due to keeping the lyrics neutral for the general audience that buys the product. The object of desire will be addressed as 'you', rather than 'him', 'her', 'he', etc. I'm sure there are exceptions, but as I don't follow an artist because of their sexual preferences (though, frankly, I'd much rather watch a female than a male singin' and prancin' around the stage, regardless who THEY'D like to watch) I don't pay much attention. However, MattB's lyrics are FULL of 'girl' 'She' 'her', and I wondered how that kind of song would go down with that audience. Of course, there's always the possibility they are lesbians trapped inside the bodies of males, and then the lyrics would be perfectly comprehensible. BTW, I never had any reservations about your own orientation, Dirk. I have never ONCE been aroused by your postings. ;] Phil pineking@biddeford.com ------------------------------ From: Philip B Hall Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 23:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Different views On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Jeff @ Rust Systems wrote: > (with regards to recent posts by Phillip B. Hall and Dirk Pilat): > > Up and beyond what you all have said, I don't see what is unusual > about gay people wanting to listen to heterosexual artists. So saying that > "it makes me wonder about all of the 'girl' references in their songs...At > such a venue, they would want to choose their play list carefully, I would > think..." seems a little silly. It was an observation framed in my interpretation of the event: a political rather than cultural gathering. I didn't see the lyrics being very supportive of the cause, but I really don't know. The gay pride movement in the US would hardly book such an act for a festival, based on what I've seen on C-span and elsewhere, unless there was some kind of implied understanding, or irony, that would serve to promote the cause. > > Also, like Dirk, I am also "quite heterosexual and...listen to...gay > artists" but it's not because they're gay, it's because they're good. I've > always wondered why people make a big deal about this sort of thing. The > reason I don't own any k.d.lang records (for example) is because I don't > like her music. > Yeah, I liked Liberace when I was a kid because he was funny and talented, long before I knew what homosexuality was. Later on, when I grasped the situation, I began to wonder if there was something wrong with me. Then I met this girl who liked him, too, and I knew everything was OK. Phil (who really should develope a sig, but is basically too lazy). ------------------------------ From: "Jeff @ Rust Systems" Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 23:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Different views At 11:08 PM 6/16/96 -0400, Phillip B. Hall wrote: > >It was an observation framed in my interpretation of the event: a >political rather than cultural gathering. I didn't see the lyrics being >very supportive of the cause, but I really don't know. The gay pride >movement in the US would hardly book such an act for a festival, based on >what I've seen on C-span and elsewhere, unless there was some kind of >implied understanding, or irony, that would serve to promote the cause. Yeah, one problem with Americans is that they tend to overdo things. > >Phil >(who really should develope a sig, but is basically too lazy). Don't feel bad - it took me four months to create one. Jeff @ Rust Systems 770-621-5777 "A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." - Calvin (of "Calvin & Hobbes", by Bill Watterson) pyftn ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V1 #147 ***************************