From: owner-basia-digest To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V1 #120 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Tuesday, 21 May 1996 Volume 01 : Number 120 Today's Subjects: ----------------- ESK-1276: The Elusive Promo Re: Basia videos Re: Basia videos Video standards Matt Bianco Promo CD Re: Matt Bianco Promo CD Re: Video standards Re: Basia videos Re: Basia videos Re: Video standards Re: Basia videos ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.S. Lohr" Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 04:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ESK-1276: The Elusive Promo Hey folks! On a bit of a side topic to the video discussion - I was in a local Barnes and Noble (its a bookstore) over the weekend and I happened upon a Compact Disc price guide in the Hobby section of the store. So, being the greedy psychopath that I am, I instantly turned to the "b's" to try to see just how much my Basia promo collection might've been worth. Now, I'd seen one of these books before a few years back - long before I was ever on the internet and even before I really knew what a "promo" was - and it'd opened my eyes a bit to what I was missing out on by not making the extra effort to try to collect promos. In that first book there was a listing of American-only CDs, mostly promos, including the elusive ESK-1276 - better known as the T&T-era live promo CD which the book had down for a $35 list price value. Most of the other U.S. promos were also on this list, typically orbiting around the $6-$8 range. When I first joined this list, one of the earliest messages I remember getting was Ken talking about how he had this CD and how he'd gotten it autographed at one of the shows in '94. I also remember him calling it the "rarest" of Basia CDs (putting its dealer value somewhere in the $80 range if I remember correctly) - well, I don't know about it being the "rarest" but it certainly has been a real pain in the duff trying to track it down - its definitely one of the harder-to-find promos out there. Anyway, like I said, I found another CD price guide over the weekend which I THOUGHT was put together by the same publisher that made the first book I looked at a few years back but after seeing the price list they had I tend to think otherwise. Underneath this list which incompletely included foreign promos and CD singles was the following entry: ESK 1276 - Live promo and extra tracks - $6 Now, what adds insult onto injury is that they had some of the "easier" to find promos listed at a higher value, most at about $8. And like I said before, there was also a smattering of the foreign releases which were listed at about the same price. So what's the deal? Is this promo really all its cracked up to be or am I just banging my head against the wall? Does anyone, besides Ken, have it? Granted, these publishers probably just don't know what they're talking about but - how can such a hard to find CD be listed at such a low price? Just my $.02 worth. By the way, if you think you've got an "extensive" collection of singles, promos and what not, I urge you to check out the following link: http://kylie.telescope.org/ftp/pwl/discog/non-saw/b/basia.htm I have no idea what it is or who's it is or what purpose it serves, but it has a rather extensive listing of foreign singles that I'd never even heard of... I mean, a 10" UK Single for "Baby You're Mine??" What the hell is this stuff... Toodles for now... ********************************* R O A C H ********************************* * The Roach Motel @ http://zeus.towson.edu/~jlohr1 -- Bugs are people, too * * He loves Yugoslavians, Boba Fett, Chunky Chicken, and Yummy British Cows * ***************************************************************************** ************* "Live every day as if it were your last `cause ************* ************* sooner or later, you'll be right." - Hal Roach ************* ********************************* R U L E S ********************************* ------------------------------ From: "Victor A. Zamouline" Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:27:41 +0400 (MSD) Subject: Re: Basia videos >> I'm quite enthusiastic. For instance, I know places in Russia where >> video duplicating can be done for lowest prices America has ever heard of, >> and Russia does not care for any copyrights or other legal problems. > >I don't think we'll have to resort to that, after all, none of US give a >damn about copyrights either!! :D Terrific! I always thought Americans (are you American? your e-mail is international) lived their lives to obey the law. While the law doesn't always seem to be a stupid thing, it's still a lot of fun to ignore it at times. I thought you needed help in law-ignoring skills, but now I see it's not a problem. Alright! :))) - -- === = = = = = Vitebsky-23-5-34 = = S-Petersburg 196244 = = = = = = Russia = = = = Tel/Fax (812)-264-1005 (private) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = E-mail victor@jazz.spb.su = = V i c t o r Z a m o u l i n e  ------------------------------ From: "Victor A. Zamouline" Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:23:11 +0400 (MSD) Subject: Re: Basia videos Jacki, >We can't send videos to Russia. If we lied and put "book" on the customs >form (being the good little postal employee that I am, I didn't really say >that... did I?).... do you think the customs guys in Russia would open it, >see what it is and then confiscate it? I guess we could always hide it in a >fruitcake (fruitcake = nasty, inedible brick of "food" given to people you >don't really like as a Christmas present) Nobody in their right mind would >confiscate a fruitcake, not unless they needed a door stop. Nice knowledge of customs! The Russian customs officers normally begin to look in toothpaste squeezers and women's underwear. Searching in a fruitcake is not something they can think of. - -- === = = = = = Vitebsky-23-5-34 = = S-Petersburg 196244 = = = = = = Russia = = = = Tel/Fax (812)-264-1005 (private) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = E-mail victor@jazz.spb.su = = V i c t o r Z a m o u l i n e  ------------------------------ From: "Dennis J. Majewicz" Date: Mon, 20 May 96 09:42:05 -0500 Subject: Video standards - -- [ From: Dennis J. Majewicz * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Hey gang...before our friend from eastern Europe gets too excited by the prospect of a Basia video collection, we'd better hope he has an American VHS recorder. The former Soviet Union uses a different TV standard than we have here in the US. Depending on the location, they use either PAL or SECAM - - neither of which is compatible with our NTSC. A conversion could be done, if someone has the proper equipment, but that would be found at a high-end production house or network level facility. (Or maybe those Russian bootleggers have a converter.) I'm sorry not to have anything to contribute to the collection (other than a good quality dub of the fX thingy), but I would *love* to have a copy of the final product. In an unrelated note, Jones Intercable's music service, Super Audio, has a light jazz channel which I listen to often. Yesterday they played "Yearning" , which as far as I know, is the only cut from TSI that they are playing. What's my point? I don't know - I was just surprised to hear it on the radio ------------------------------ From: kenneth.drew.3@nd.edu (Ken Drew) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:33:59 -0500 Subject: Matt Bianco Promo CD While hunting around some CD store I found this goodie: Matt Bianco: Another Time Another Place release date July 28, 1994 JVC Music Advance CD 11 songs on it. No sleeve or anything- just the advanced PROMO CD. Anyone interested in this? Let me know. Thanks! KEN (kdrew@nd.edu) - ----------------------------------------------------------- *Webb Wilder : http://www.nd.edu/~kdrew/ * *The Beat Farmers : WWW page at: * *http://www.ucsd.edu/sdam/artists/bf/ * *Check them out today * - ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: akb02@rs1.rrz.uni-koeln.de (Dirk Pilat) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 23:51:53 +0200 Subject: Re: Matt Bianco Promo CD At 13:33 Uhr 20.05.1996, Ken Drew wrote: >While hunting around some CD store I found this goodie: > >Matt Bianco: Another Time Another Place >release date July 28, 1994 >JVC Music Advance CD > >11 songs on it. >No sleeve or anything- just the advanced PROMO CD. >Anyone interested in this? >Let me know. Thanks! Song list available? Dirk Pilat, Medical Student 5months before graduation University of Cologne, FRG Fax: ++ 49221 4201000 | http://www.rrz.uni-koeln.de/~akb02 Member of the Internet Dermatology Society | Maintainer of the Matt Bianco Mailinglist ------------------------------ From: Oliver Juang Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:39:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Video standards >-- [ From: Dennis J. Majewicz * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > >Hey gang...before our friend from eastern Europe gets too excited by the >prospect of a Basia video collection, we'd better hope he has an American >VHS recorder. The former Soviet Union uses a different TV standard than we >have here in the US. Depending on the location, they use either PAL or SECAM >- neither of which is compatible with our NTSC. A conversion could be done, >if someone has the proper equipment, but that would be found at a high-end >production house or network level facility. (Or maybe those Russian >bootleggers have a converter.) well, you can get a dual NTSC/PAL vcr in the US, i've seen ads for such a thing in Fry's (a local electronics chain), and i've also heard they're available in Japan.... the vcr ran about $700 so it wasn't cheap, but it was usable.... oliver juang oj@csua.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ From: Philip B Hall Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Basia videos On Mon, 20 May 1996, Victor A. Zamouline wrote: > >> I'm quite enthusiastic. For instance, I know places in Russia where > >> video duplicating can be done for lowest prices America has ever heard of, > >> and Russia does not care for any copyrights or other legal problems. > > > >I don't think we'll have to resort to that, after all, none of US give a > >damn about copyrights either!! :D > > Terrific! I always thought Americans (are you American? your e-mail is > international) lived their lives to obey the law. While the law doesn't > always seem to be a stupid thing, it's still a lot of fun to ignore > it at times. I thought you needed help in law-ignoring skills, but now > I see it's not a problem. Alright! :))) > -- > === > = = = = = Vitebsky-23-5-34 > = = S-Petersburg 196244 > = = = = = = Russia > = = = = Tel/Fax (812)-264-1005 (private) > = = = = = = = = > = = = > = = = = = = = = E-mail victor@jazz.spb.su > = = > V i c t o r Z a m o u l i n e >  > > -- Vic, WHO has been teaching American history and culture over there? USIA? Living to obey the law? Obviously, you know nothing about Montana. Or Prohibition, NORML, or Form 1040. Basic concepts in US Attitudes Toward Law 101. Welcome to our reality...... Phil (A Basia Nut, for the purposes of our beloved list). ------------------------------ From: jacki@magicnet.net (Jacki) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 23:39:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Basia videos >Nice knowledge of customs! I used to live in Germany and sent countless packages back and forth. And right now customs is part of my job. No chessboards to Afghanistan. If you send a map to Ecuador it had better show that country's border correctly, and no "Panama" hats or the straw for making them (no straw to Ireland either). You can't use initials in someone's name when you mail to France (JS Lohr wouldn't work). No horror comics to Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Don't use old newspaper for packing to India, else they might have to pay duty on those newspapers. No fashion magazines or brown sugar to Iran (their women are already so fashionable - not). No artificial flowers, bells, clocks, footwear or perfume to Italy or San Marino. No watches to Nepal. No police whistles to Nicaragua. Just about everything's included in Peru's "don't send" list, so forget about sending anything there. No shaving brushes (made in Japan) to St. Lucia... and no Japanese brushes either, except for nylon toothbrushes, in Sierra Leone. No asprin to Tunsia. And no invisible ink or mosquito nets to Vietnam. Alot of countries won't allow saccharine or prison products, and if you send used clothing, you have to have a document saying that they've been disinfected. (Like who wants used underwear?) >The Russian customs officers normally begin >to look in toothpaste squeezers and women's underwear. Looking for that "has been disinfected" document, no doubt. (What a nasty job... to look thru people's dirty clothes) Jacki ------------------------------ From: "J.S. Lohr" Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 00:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Video standards On Tue, 21 May 1996, Dennis Majewicz wrote: > Hey gang...before our friend from eastern Europe gets too excited by the > prospect of a Basia video collection, we'd better hope he has an American > VHS recorder. The former Soviet Union uses a different TV standard than we > have here in the US. Depending on the location, they use either PAL or SECAM > - neither of which is compatible with our NTSC. A conversion could be done, > if someone has the proper equipment, but that would be found at a high-end > production house or network level facility. (Or maybe those Russian > bootleggers have a converter.) We'll get it done - I take care of my own. ;) > I'm sorry not to have anything to contribute to the collection (other than a > good quality dub of the fX thingy), but I would *love* to have a copy of the > final product. As would a lot of other folks. I've been innundated with requests for the tape but I don't think I can do a "complete" copy all by myself when I'm missing the GMA performances and those couple Time & Tide-era performances. Here's what could be done: 1) I could send someone my first generation copies of the things that they don't have to add onto the ones that I don't have. Hence, there would be a complete tape. 2) Someone could send me first generation copies of the performances and I could do all the tapes myself. 3) Two tapes could be put together. Now, I'm willing to do all the copying, but I must ask that if you want a tape I'll need you to do one of the following two things: a) send me a t-160 tape and $2.00 for shipping (or include a bunch of stamps) or... b) send $5 for the cost of the tape and shipping. I'd prefer the first method as I could recycle the envelope (yes, I'm cheap - bite me, 'kay?) and the turnaround would be a lot faster. Now, I haven't done the math yet, but everything SHOULD fit onto one T-160 tape. Or at least, the stuff I have will...once we put those other 6 appearances into the mix, we may be talking about more than 3 hours of material...hence another tape and another dubber would be needed. > In an unrelated note, Jones Intercable's music service, Super Audio, has a > light jazz channel which I listen to often. Yesterday they played "Yearning" > , which as far as I know, is the only cut from TSI that they are playing. > What's my point? I don't know - I was just surprised to hear it on the radio You know, I remember one of the modern jazz loonies at the last Basia show babbling on and on about some sort of jazz station which was provided by the cable company (which just happened to be Jones Intercable). I never paid much attention to whatever it was she was driveling about, but it seems to make more sense now. You know - I better watch myself...sooner or later, one of those loonies is going to end up subscribing to this list and I'm going to end up putting my foot in my mouth. "Hey, I remember that Roach punk...he was the one wearing that weird Crisco shirt!" Toodles for now. ********************************* R O A C H ********************************* * The Roach Motel @ http://zeus.towson.edu/~jlohr1 -- Bugs are people, too * * He loves Yugoslavians, Boba Fett, Chunky Chicken, and Yummy British Cows * ***************************************************************************** ************* "Live every day as if it were your last `cause ************* ************* sooner or later, you'll be right." - Hal Roach ************* ********************************* R U L E S ********************************* ------------------------------ From: "J.S. Lohr" Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 00:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Basia videos On Mon, 20 May 1996, Philip B Hall wrote: > Vic, > > WHO has been teaching American history and culture over there? USIA? Living > to obey the law? Obviously, you know nothing about Montana. Or > Prohibition, NORML, or Form 1040. Basic concepts in US Attitudes Toward > Law 101. Welcome to our reality...... Now now, Phil, be nice - its a two way street where that kind of thing is concerned. You should've seen the textbook I had in high school for my Russian language courses - total communist propaganda bullcrap. Had dialog stories like "Anton's Big Apartment" and "Anton's Big Car" and "Anton's Friendly Hedgehog." In college, things started to get a little more complicated: Anton started going to funerals and took some rather well chronicled vacations in Odessa. If not for the cultural lessons on the side, I would've gone beserk. Toodles! ********************************* R O A C H ********************************* * The Roach Motel @ http://zeus.towson.edu/~jlohr1 -- Bugs are people, too * * He loves Yugoslavians, Boba Fett, Chunky Chicken, and Yummy British Cows * ***************************************************************************** ************* "Live every day as if it were your last `cause ************* ************* sooner or later, you'll be right." - Hal Roach ************* ********************************* R U L E S ********************************* ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V1 #120 ***************************