From: owner-basia-digest To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V1 #45 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org basia-digest Wednesday, 28 February 1996 Volume 01 : Number 045 Today's Subjects: ----------------- BASIA ORDER: Update 2/27 Leaving the Basia List Re: Basia not really remix material? Re: Basia not really remix material? Re: Basia not really remix material? Re: Basia not really remix material? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kenneth.drew.3@nd.edu (Ken Drew) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:29:16 -0600 Subject: BASIA ORDER: Update 2/27 Hey guys: The order is due any day now. As soon as I get it, I will cash the checks (THANKS to all who have come through. I have not cashed them yet as promised). I expect it to be at my door soon. I called and reminded my source that people want their "stuff" so it is on he way. Thanks again. I may have a few left overs as a few people decided not to order so if you are interested, stay tuned to the Basia list for details. See ya..... BTW: Sony blows.... no return calls..... no surprise! KEN (kdrew@nd.edu) - ----------------------------------------------------------- *The Beat Farmers : WWW page at: * *http://www.ucsd.edu/sdam/artists/bf/ * *Webb Wilder : check these guys out! * - ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: A.M.Garry@exeter.ac.uk (Ms Angela Garry) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 09:19:42 GMT Subject: Leaving the Basia List Sorry guys and gals - I've found that over the last few weeks I've had nothing that I felt I could contribute to the list, and added to that I've got far too much to do at work which has reduced my time available to read and respond to emails, so I'm gonna unsubscribe from a couple of lists, the Basia list being one of them. Thanks - It's been fun.... Angela Garry (A Basia fan, but not enough time to be a proper devotee...) +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ms Angela Garry Email: A.M.Garry@exeter.ac.uk or A.M.Garry@ex.ac.uk | | Telephone: + 44 1392 264772 Fax: + 44 1392 264922 | | | | School of Education ("`-/")_.-'"``-._ | | University of Exeter . . `; -._ )-;-,_`) | | Heavitree Road (v_,)' _ )`-.\ ``-' | | Exeter, Devon _.- _..-_/ / ((.' | | EX1 2LU, UK ((,.-' ((,/ grrr! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: David Cervantes Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:02:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Basia not really remix material? The only remixes I've heard have been from the "Brave New Hope" EP--EP, CD, what's the difference? I don't like drum machines, all that bone- jarring bass, dubbing, mixing, scratching, and techno whatchamacallit. As soon as I hear a remix on the radio I change the station. Some weeks back I borrowed a Selena tape to see what all the fuss was about. Something set my hair on edge--I figured it out later: the drum machines (that, and the whole tape was only 30 minutes long). Give me Tito Puente over an electronics whiz on drums and the rest of that junk anytime. Why do they issue remixes anyway? Oh, I know--extra $$$. I guess even our wonderful Miss T can't resist. On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, George Davson wrote: > Folks, > > Agreeing with Roach that the "Out of my brain on E" remix of Drunk on Love was > not much good... I started thinking, are there ANY good Basia remixes? > > I don't think many of her songs really lend themself to being remixed. Not the > way Mariah Carey's "Fantasy" did. Or several of Gloria Estefan's > e.g. "Everlasting Love", "Live for Loving You", "Dr Beat". > > Maybe the album tracks are pretty good the way they are. I find the same > is often true of Swing out Sister tracks - they relased the version that > they got right, and anything else is a mess. What do people think? > > george > > George Davson gdavson@brookes.ac.uk > Computer Services, Oxford Brookes University, Oxford OX3 0BP, U.K. > Phone +44 1865 483317 Fax +44 1865 483073 > > ------------------------------ From: "J.S. Lohr" Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 15:50:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Basia not really remix material? On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, David Cervantes wrote: > The only remixes I've heard have been from the "Brave New Hope" EP--EP, > CD, what's the difference? There is none. Unless you're trying to differentiate between the "Brave New Hope" CD5 (49K-73593) and the "Brave New Hope" EP (EK 48644), in which case, the previous of the two (the CD5) only had 7 songs on it. It sold so well that Sony decided to slap two more tracks on it ("Forgive and Forget" and "Give Me That"), put it in a longbox (remember those?), and charge $5-$7 more for it. Also, there was a cassette pressing of the EP, while the original CD5 was only available as a CD. > I don't like drum machines, all that bone- > jarring bass, dubbing, mixing, scratching, and techno whatchamacallit. > As soon as I hear a remix on the radio I change the station. Umm...most of the songs on T&T and LWNY utilize drum machines. > Some weeks back I borrowed a Selena tape to see what all the fuss was > about. Could it be because she's DEAD. And not only that, but because she was MURDERED just as she was about to "see mainstream success." > Something set my hair on edge--I figured it out later: the drum > machines (that, and the whole tape was only 30 minutes long). Give me > Tito Puente over an electronics whiz on drums and the rest of that junk > anytime. On Selena: I have yet to hear the full album that was released after she died (with the exception of the single that pop FM has been playing into the ground) nor have I ever heard anything she released before she was de-Tejano-ized. But in all the reviews that I've read about the most recent album, the critics all had the same thing to say: all the things that made Selena "Selena" weren't there on the pop FM release...all pretty much agreed that the record company "ethnically-cleansed" Selena's new material and just basically were trying to turn her into a Latino version of Madonna (ie the drum machines that David is referring to) as opposed to keeping her Tejano edge that she'd apparently had until then. > Why do they issue remixes anyway? So people like us will buy the CD Singles, cassingles, EPs, etc. - without these new versions, there'd be no reason to buy singles. Also, the record company will use remixes to try to appeal to a cross section of the record buying public that might not normally listen to an artist like Basia - for example, the "Drunk on Love" remixes...making more dancable versions can give it a chance of getting airplay on the dance/anthem stations which each major city usually has one or two of. Airplay leads to sales...and so on. Toodles! This is... ============================================================================= Like ohmigod! Roach has a homepage! Find him at the Internet Roach Motel!!!!! ============================================================================= "http://zeus.towson.edu/~jlohr1" Dig up all the dirt on Agitprop's Finest Son, the Net's most famous Roach, and Wal-Mart's Biggest Pain-in-the-ass. ============================================================================= note: the page is unfinished - please excuse some of the cruddy links! -Roach ============================================================================= ...the end. ------------------------------ From: David Cervantes Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 16:54:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Basia not really remix material? More on drum machines--as soon as I sent my message off, I remembered Basia saying on her "Brave New Hope" video that she was using more live musicians. Pardon my gaffe! Oh well, it's o.k. for Basia to use electronics, but not for anyone else. The one Selena album I heard and disliked so much was Amor Prohibido, issued before Capitol discovered it had a hot property on its hands. The kids where I work love the late Selena--makes me wonder what'd happen if Basia appealed to the same group. She probably wouldn't attract us anymore as her psycho army. I remember the old days when 45's were issued and always had two differ- ent songs on them. I understand singles, and sales of singles, are totally different animals these days. Well, as long as my baby boy is all right, I'll keep the griping down. Talk to you all later! ------------------------------ From: Vince Mora Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:25:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Basia not really remix material? > ... I started thinking, are there ANY good Basia remixes? It's hard to answer this question objectively since liking remixes in general is really a matter of taste. > I don't think many of her songs really lend themself to being remixed. In the current techno style of remixing, I'd agree. The remixes I like are of her older stuff -- they're more extended versions done in the same style as the original song. The remixes of "Run For Cover" and "Promises" are awesome -- the remixer pulls stuff of the master tapes that never made it to the album track, such as an extra piano or guitar solo. Or he grabs a backing instrument and loops it into a new intro. Fun stuff to listen to. The only full-on remix I've liked is the Phil Harding 12" of "Until You Come Back To Me". The techno-hip-hop backbeat works because the original track itself was done in a very hip-hop vein and lends itself to new variations. Justin Strauss did a cute remix of "Promises", but it's very technopoppy and likely not too palatable to most Basia listeners. > Maybe the album tracks are pretty good the way they are. I find the same > is often true of Swing out Sister tracks - they relased the version that > they got right, and anything else is a mess. What do people think? I've found one exception to this rule: the Shep Pettibone remix of Lisa Stansfield's "This Is The Right Time" *far* surpasses the original track. Makes the original sound weak and incomplete in comparison. Vince - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- vince mora aka synth oberheim http://www.swcp.com/synth/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- how can the labouring man find time for self-culture? ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V1 #45 **************************