From: owner-basia-digest To: basia-digest@smoe.org Subject: basia-digest V1 #237 Reply-To: basia@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-basia-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "basia-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. basia-digest Wednesday, 25 September 1996 Volume 01 : Number 237 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Discovering Basia I am back! Contracts, and the 'great debate' Re: I am back! PW tour schedule Re: I am back! and front Re: Contracts, and the 'great debate' Re: Contracts, and the 'great debate' Re: PW tour schedule Re: I am back! Re: I am back! Re: Contracts, and the 'great debate' Re: Contracts, and the 'great debate' Re: PW tour schedule ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Larry Lipman Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 07:48:37 -0500 Subject: Discovering Basia Was serving on the Grammy Engineering Craft Committee. At that time, they sent us all the albums nomintated for a "Best Engineered" (non-classical) Grammy. Our job was to listen to the albums and individually choose our Top 10. We'd get 200+ albums, many of artists you'd never heard of. Fell in love with T&T. Basia broke onto radio shortly thereafter. NARAS doesn't handle the Engineering Grammy that way anymore. Kinda sad really - I turned on to so many artist through that process. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Larry Lipman - ------------------------------------------------------------ The University of Memphis Commercial Music Program Campus Box 526546 232 CFA Building Memphis, TN 38152-6546 (901) 678=2559 [min. 6 rings to voice mail] FAX: (901) 678=5118 Internet: Llipman@admin1.memphis.edu ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ From: PALETTI@eros.ijs.si Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:31:14 +0200 (MET-DST) Subject: I am back! People, I am sorry but I want to say to ALL you that.... I AM BACK! >From Slovenya now! More exactly from Ljubljana! Well, I was really missing YOU and I have many Basia's information from Slovenya. But, sorry. I have no free time to write now. I have 72 messages from the Basia's list to read. I am at this new address for the next 3 months. See you, Gerson Ljubljana / Slovenya ------------------------------ From: "Diane F. Fisli" Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:06:08 -0700 Subject: Contracts, and the 'great debate' Ken asks: >(unless she has a long term deal- anyone >know this?). Well, I don't know anything about the contract Basia has with Sony, however I do know a tiny bit of information which will make things clearer for people on this. When an artist gets a contract with a label, oh, let's say, a "seven album deal", there is more (or less) to this than meets the eye. This contract may "lock" the artist into seven albums for the label, however it also has an escape chute in the form of certain requirements that the label has to meet in order to keep the artist on board... These requirements usually include something like this: When the label wants the artist to record a new album a letter has to be sent to the artist saying, "Let's get the new project going." Usually this letter has to be sent to the artist within a certain period of time, and if the letter is not sent, the contract is legally broken and the artist then has the freedom to go out on their own and search for another label, or retire from the music biz, or whatever... The "seven album deal" doesn't really mean much unless the label is interested in keeping the artist for seven albums... .....and now for something completely different..... Y'know, I've been watching this 'great debate' about Basia and the length of time between albums. I've seen this opinion expressed amongst recording artists: The longer between albums, the BETTER the next album has to be, or you will lose momentum in your popularity as the "next" artist comes along to steal your audience away... That's probably very true, and I've often thought about that when considering Basia and album output. There have been some really forceful opinions expressed that Basia's next album WILL be her last one, PERIOD, end of debate. I have sat back and watched these go by, amazed at the ethnocentricity in the firm belief of the DO OR DIE importance of American taste or opinion on the rest of the musical world... What sells in the US, the "Billboard Charts", radio airplay, etc, is no true gauge of how well the artist's product is doing in the rest of the world. (for example, Neil Diamond's chart performance and radio airplay in the US is *dismal* yet the man is doing amazingly well nearly everywhere else in the world, thus is still producing albums for Sony) Look at the gold and platinum stats, those are for worldwide sales, and will tell you how well an artist is doing *everywhere*. The US is not the be-all nor the end-all of an artist's career. Basia is doing much better in other parts of the world (for instance, Japan) than she is in the US. I don't think we have to worry that she is not popular, is not selling albums, what-have-you. The only thing we have to "worry" about is that she may indeed decide that staying home is much more desirable than touring, doing the promotional thing, and making music... That's her decision. But I think that as long as the music is making money (and money must be being made considering the *large* touring band of Basia & co.), music will be made. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ Diane F. Fisli, Photographer \\ "...If you follow your dreams... dff@peterwhite.com \\ You can never go wrong..." ExcusezMoi@aol.com \\ http://peterwhite.com \\ --Peter White, Caravan of Dreams ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ Please visit the OFFICIAL Peter White Website at http://peterwhite.com, or call the Peter White tour hotline at 818-973-3171 for information on upcoming concerts ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: akb02@rs1.rrz.uni-koeln.de (Dirk Pilat) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 22:42:52 +0200 Subject: Re: I am back! At 14:31 Uhr 24.09.1996, PALETTI@eros.ijs.si wrote: >People, > >I am sorry but I want to say to ALL you that.... > >I AM BACK! Goodness, gracious, big balls on fire..... Dirk Dirk Pilat, Medical Student 2 months before graduation University of Cologne, FRG Fax: ++ 492151 754796 | http://www.rrz.uni-koeln.de/~akb02 Member of the Internet Dermatology Society | Maintainer of the Matt Bianco Mailinglist ------------------------------ From: "Diane F. Fisli" Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:27:10 -0700 Subject: PW tour schedule For anyone interested, here is Peter White's tour schedule as of 9-24-96: - ------------------------------------------------------- SUN 10/20 Miami, FL AT&T Amphitheatre - Fantasma - ------------------------------------------------------- WED 10/23 thru SUN 10/27 Oakland, CA - Yoshi's - -------------------------------------------------------- THU 11/7 Philadelphia, PA - Keswick Theatre with Dave Koz - -------------------------------------------------------- FRI 11/8 New York, NY - Town Hall with Dave Koz - -------------------------------------------------------- SAT 11/9 Cleveland, OH - Private Party - -------------------------------------------------------- TUE 11/12 Dayton, OH Gillys - -------------------------------------------------------- SUN 11/17 Detroit, MI Royal Oak Music Theatre with Dave Koz - --------------------------------------------------------- I am planning to be in Oakland at Yoshi's. If anyone is going to be there, please e- me and perhaps we can meet for dinner or something! :) I am also working on some new stuff for PW's website, which will probably be up later on today. CHECK IT OUT!!! :] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ Diane F. Fisli, Photographer \\ "...If you follow your dreams... dff@peterwhite.com \\ You can never go wrong..." ExcusezMoi@aol.com \\ http://peterwhite.com \\ --Peter White, Caravan of Dreams ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ Please visit the OFFICIAL Peter White Website at http://peterwhite.com, or call the Peter White tour hotline at 818-973-3171 for information on upcoming concerts ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: BobRumsby Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:24:24 +0000 Subject: Re: I am back! and front At 02:31 PM 9/24/96 +0200, you wrote: >People, > >I am sorry but I want to say to ALL you that.... > >I AM BACK! > >>From Slovenya now! More exactly from Ljubljana! >Well, I was really missing YOU and I have many Basia's information from >Slovenya. But, sorry. I have no free time to write now. I have 72 messages >from the Basia's list to read. > >I am at this new address for the next 3 months. > > >See you, > > >Gerson >Ljubljana / Slovenya > Gerson How is the War going :):) How many Basia coverts have you made :):) Do not forget she pays well for each one. More importantly did you stop at the SEX shop in Frankfurt (hehehehehe). bfn Bob R Paterson NJ May the swartz be with you ------------------------------ From: BobRumsby Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:34:58 +0000 Subject: Re: Contracts, and the 'great debate' DFF interjected:- > >Well, I don't know anything about the contract Basia has with Sony, however >I do know a tiny bit of information which will make things clearer for >people on this. > >When an artist gets a contract with a label, oh, let's say, a "seven album >deal", there is more (or less) to this than meets the eye. This contract >may "lock" the artist into seven albums for the label, however it also has >an escape chute in the form of certain requirements that the label has to >meet in order to keep the artist on board... > >These requirements usually include something like this: When the label >wants the artist to record a new album a letter has to be sent to the artist >saying, "Let's get the new project going." Usually this letter has to be >sent to the artist within a certain period of time, and if the letter is not >sent, the contract is legally broken and the artist then has the freedom to >go out on their own and search for another label, or retire from the music >biz, or whatever... > >The "seven album deal" doesn't really mean much unless the label is >interested in keeping the artist for seven albums... > > .....and now for something completely different..... > >Y'know, I've been watching this 'great debate' about Basia and the length of >time between albums. I've seen this opinion expressed amongst recording >artists: The longer between albums, the BETTER the next album has to be, or >you will lose momentum in your popularity as the "next" artist comes along >to steal your audience away... That's probably very true, and I've often >thought about that when considering Basia and album output. > >There have been some really forceful opinions expressed that Basia's next >album WILL be her last one, PERIOD, end of debate. I have sat back and >watched these go by, amazed at the ethnocentricity in the firm belief of the >DO OR DIE importance of American taste or opinion on the rest of the musical >world... > >What sells in the US, the "Billboard Charts", radio airplay, etc, is no true >gauge of how well the artist's product is doing in the rest of the world. >(for example, Neil Diamond's chart performance and radio airplay in the US >is *dismal* yet the man is doing amazingly well nearly everywhere else in >the world, thus is still producing albums for Sony) Look at the gold and >platinum stats, those are for worldwide sales, and will tell you how well an >artist is doing *everywhere*. The US is not the be-all nor the end-all of >an artist's career. > Yes a prime example of this is David Hasslehoff (or whatever his name is) of Baywatch fame. Over here he could not give records away, but in Europe and especially in Germany he's sells more records that REM/Hooty/MJ/etc. And who says that Americans don't have taste (not me). As for albums and BOB (Not me) is it a live or best of album. Artists are of course as we all know very fical people. Take David Lee Roth. When somebody said to him a few months ago that Van Halen was in the studios doing a Best of Album, he apparently said that groups and artists only do that when thay have nothing left to offer. However when Sammy Hager was dropped and DLR was invited back, suddently this was the best thing that the group had ever done as it got them all back to their roots. >Basia is doing much better in other parts of the world (for instance, Japan) >than she is in the US. I don't think we have to worry that she is not >popular, is not selling albums, what-have-you. The only thing we have to >"worry" about is that she may indeed decide that staying home is much more >desirable than touring, doing the promotional thing, and making music... >That's her decision. But I think that as long as the music is making money >(and money must be being made considering the *large* touring band of Basia >& co.), music will be made. Yes but the Japanese buy anything *American*. they own half of California :):) The part thats slipping into the ocean I hope. Also someone has to pay for all those little *weekend* trips back home to Poland. bfn Bob R Paterson NJ May the swartz be with you ------------------------------ From: Phil Hall Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 21:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Contracts, and the 'great debate' On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, BobRumsby wrote: > > As for albums and BOB (Not me) is it a live or best of album. Artists are of > course as we all know very fical people. Take David Lee Roth. When somebody ^^^^^ Wait a minute, do you mean to say artists are `anal' types? > > >Basia is doing much better in other parts of the world (for instance, Japan) > >than she is in the US. I don't think we have to worry that she is not I know everyone here knows where to get the actual sales figures for Basia's albums - except me! Why won't anyone tell me how this info is obtainable? Is it something I've said, or done? How DOES her sales breakdown read geographically? I find it EXTREMELY difficult to believe that she sells more units in a country with half the population of the US, especially when this information is bandied about without references. The Roachster expressing his OPINION regarding the end of Basia's career is one thing - him or anyone else relating FACTS has simply got to back them up, PLEASE. I want some numbers, graphs, tables, sources - anything more tangible than mere scuttlebutt. Let's share the resources (ok, tell me, then send a bill) !-) Phil (gettin kinda impatient but forgets why) ------------------------------ From: Steve Sjoberg Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 21:37:41 -0500 Subject: Re: PW tour schedule Diane F. Fisli wrote: > > For anyone interested, here is Peter White's tour schedule as of 9-24-96: > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SUN 10/20 Miami, FL AT&T Amphitheatre - Fantasma > > ------------------------------------------------------- > WED 10/23 thru > SUN 10/27 Oakland, CA - Yoshi's > > -------------------------------------------------------- > THU 11/7 Philadelphia, PA - Keswick Theatre > with Dave Koz > > -------------------------------------------------------- > FRI 11/8 New York, NY - Town Hall > with Dave Koz > > -------------------------------------------------------- > SAT 11/9 Cleveland, OH - Private Party > > -------------------------------------------------------- > TUE 11/12 Dayton, OH Gillys > > -------------------------------------------------------- > SUN 11/17 Detroit, MI Royal Oak Music Theatre > with Dave Koz > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > I am planning to be in Oakland at Yoshi's. If anyone is going to be there, > please e- me and perhaps we can meet for dinner or something! :) > > I am also working on some new stuff for PW's website, which will probably be > up later on today. CHECK IT OUT!!! :] > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~ > Diane F. Fisli, Photographer \\ "...If you follow your dreams... > dff@peterwhite.com \\ You can never go wrong..." > ExcusezMoi@aol.com \\ > http://peterwhite.com \\ --Peter White, Caravan of Dreams > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~ > Please visit the OFFICIAL Peter White Website at http://peterwhite.com, or call > the Peter White tour hotline at 818-973-3171 for information on upcoming > concerts > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~ What??? PW is not coming to Minneapolis??? Contrary to popular belief, there may actually be a market for him here. If you're ever in the area, e-mail me! ------------------------------ From: dleuty@Onramp.NET (Don Leuty) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 02:36:48 GMT Subject: Re: I am back! > People, > > I am sorry but I want to say to ALL you that.... > > I AM BACK! > > >From Slovenya now! More exactly from Ljubljana! > Well, I was really missing YOU and I have many Basia's information from > Slovenya. But, sorry. I have no free time to write now. I have 72 messages > from the Basia's list to read. > > I am at this new address for the next 3 months. > > > See you, > > > Gerson > Ljubljana / Slovenya Fantastic, Gerson. Glad to see that you are safely in Slovenia. Hope you enjoy the rest of your stay. You're not all that far away from Trieste, are you? I spent some of my childhood years in a villa in Opacina, overlooking Trieste. Take care. Let us know how Basia is received in Slovenia. > - ---- Don Leuty dleuty@onramp.net dleuty@aol.com 96º8'W 34º11'N ------------------------------ From: dleuty@Onramp.NET (Don Leuty) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 02:37:00 GMT Subject: Re: I am back! > At 14:31 Uhr 24.09.1996, PALETTI@eros.ijs.si wrote: > >People, > > > >I am sorry but I want to say to ALL you that.... > > > >I AM BACK! > > Goodness, gracious, big balls on fire..... > > Dirk > > > Dirk Pilat, Medical Student 2 months before graduation > University of Cologne, FRG > Fax: ++ 492151 754796 | http://www.rrz.uni-koeln.de/~akb02 > Member of the Internet Dermatology Society | Maintainer of the Matt Bianco > Mailinglist > > > > Pick it on out, Jerry Lee ...er,...uh... does Grecian formula work on beards? - ---- Don Leuty dleuty@onramp.net dleuty@aol.com 96º8'W 34º11'N ------------------------------ From: dleuty@Onramp.NET (Don Leuty) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 02:37:02 GMT Subject: Re: Contracts, and the 'great debate' Many thanks, Lady Di. You are really on a roll with the good new - bad news bit, today. Nevertheless, thanks for sharing this info with us. I still wish the PW had a stop at "Caravan of Dreams" in his tour. (pout, pout) - ---- Don Leuty dleuty@onramp.net dleuty@aol.com 96º8'W 34º11'N ------------------------------ From: BobRumsby Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 23:37:44 +0000 Subject: Re: Contracts, and the 'great debate' At 09:33 PM 9/24/96 -0400, you wrote: > Phil the English Language Major wrote:- >On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, BobRumsby wrote: > >> >> As for albums and BOB (Not me) is it a live or best of album. Artists are of >> course as we all know very fical people. Take David Lee Roth. When somebody > ^^^^^ Big time oooooooops. Should spend more time checking spelling. But there again as talking about David Lee Roth perhaps it was a freudian slip. Well thats my excuse and I'am sticking to it. >Wait a minute, do you mean to say artists are `anal' types? Hey the rest of this was not me. I have no trouble getting myself in my own trouble, without you helping me Phil :):):) >> >Basia is doing much better in other parts of the world (for instance, Japan) >> >than she is in the US. I don't think we have to worry that she is not > >I know everyone here knows where to get the actual sales figures for >Basia's albums - except me! Why won't anyone tell me how this info is >obtainable? Is it something I've said, or done? How DOES her sales >breakdown read geographically? I find it EXTREMELY difficult to believe >that she sells more units in a country with half the population of the >US, especially when this information is bandied about without references. > >The Roachster expressing his OPINION regarding the end of Basia's career >is one thing - him or anyone else relating FACTS has simply got to back >them up, PLEASE. I want some numbers, graphs, tables, sources - anything >more tangible than mere scuttlebutt. Let's share the resources (ok, >tell me, then send a bill) !-) > > >Phil >(gettin kinda impatient so you no virtue. > > bfn Bob R Paterson NJ May the swartz be with you ------------------------------ From: BobRumsby Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 23:41:56 +0000 Subject: Re: PW tour schedule >DFF said:- >I am also working on some new stuff for PW's website, which will probably be >up later on today. CHECK IT OUT!!! :] > ^^^^^ But its now tomorrow here in New York and no changes sighted. Perhaps its one of those Eastcoast/Westcoast things. bfn Bob R Paterson NJ May the swartz be with you ------------------------------ End of basia-digest V1 #237 ***************************