From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V15 #976 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, July 29 2015 Volume 15 : Number 976 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] Re: Roxy Music Box Set [Andrew Shearer ] RE: [AVALON] Re: Roxy Music Box Set ["John O'Brien" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 10:34:32 +0000 From: Andrew Shearer Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Roxy Music Box Set Ah that makes sense too. Thanks Christian. Andrew > Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 11:18:31 +0200 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Roxy Music Box Set > From: chsoetemann@googlemail.com > CC: avalon@smoe.org > > > On a slightly different point - some said how BF's voice had improved. I > > wondered if it was the introduction of the in-ear monitors? I can't ever > > remember him using them before. I could be wrong on that though? > > I think this might also have to do with transposing (i. e. lowering) > the keys of a number of songs, Andrew. While LST was originally in A > major (I think), the live videos of the current tour I have seen > suggest it is now played in E major. BF's middle to lower range still > sounds good and thus he does not have to bother with as many high > notes. This is quite standard procedure for artists in later stages of > their career - for example, Leonard Cohen has done it as well. > > Best regards, > Christian > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 11:18:31 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Christian_H=2E_S=C3=B6temann?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Roxy Music Box Set > On a slightly different point - some said how BF's voice had improved. I > wondered if it was the introduction of the in-ear monitors? I can't ever > remember him using them before. I could be wrong on that though? I think this might also have to do with transposing (i. e. lowering) the keys of a number of songs, Andrew. While LST was originally in A major (I think), the live videos of the current tour I have seen suggest it is now played in E major. BF's middle to lower range still sounds good and thus he does not have to bother with as many high notes. This is quite standard procedure for artists in later stages of their career - for example, Leonard Cohen has done it as well. Best regards, Christian ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 11:41:11 +0100 From: Evans Richard Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Roxy Music Box Set Its so nice to have this alive again and to whoever gave it a kick up the arse thank you. I believe one of the reasons for the frustration of fans is that no-one inside Roxy or the Roxy camp is sure about to do with the band's legacy. This is partly due to BF's solo career and what has happened since the 2001 reunion tour. I think we all knew where everything stood in the years after Avalon and up to the reunion. Roxy were no more, Ferry had a solo career and the rest of the band were doing their thing. It was simple. And then came the reunion tour, which is my opinion was simply superb in terms of the set list, the way the whole thing was presented and managed particularly in preserving the Roxy legacy. If it had been left there then I think we would al have been happy despite craving more tours and a new album. Once the 2001 tour was done and dusted, we then begin one of the worst bits of management of a band I think I can remember. We get the occasional festival tour, Ferry solo albums, the aborted recording sessions, the FYP tour, the addition of all sorts of musicians, the constant release of information about Box Sets, special editions and statements from the band that Roxy is finished for ever or not. No wonder fans get a bit pissed off. Roxy Music are one of the most important bands of the last 50 years in the way they redefined the boundaries of pop and rock and they deserve to leave a legacy that will not only satisfy fans but also remind the world why the first five albums and Avalon redefined pop music.. Someone somewhere needs to realise that and sort it out but I fear that until Ferry actually realises that it wont happen. On 28 Jul 2015, at 10:21, John O'Brien wrote: > I have just read the post in the archives and as the composer of that I feel I > have to reply. > > At the time I wrote that, I meant every word and still stand by what I wrote > then, it was relevant and informed based on track record at the time of > writing 12 years ago. > > I also believe that since then things have improved a lot more in terms of web > presence, informing of tours in advance etc all the things that many of us > complained of here. A lot of effort time and and cost has gone into some > unreleased projects and I know the lack of confirmed release dates will gnaw > away at fans including myself but no matter what is released when it > eventually is, there will still be a lot of dissent and unhappiness with what > is eventually released in among the praise that the releases will be given > too, that's fans for you. > > I agree that there are releases in the past few years mentioned on other posts > here recently that could have been better and had more content aimed at the > avid fans. As a fan I find this frustrating but I have got used to that. > > The release of certain products being put back and is certainly frustrating > for whatever reasons there may be behind that but that is something that has > been going on since as far as I can remember no matter who 'team BF' are and > are involved in that. I can't remember how many release dates we had for Boys > And Girls 30 years ago. > > I don't think Mr Ferry would consider anyone he employs as a flunky. I am > sure everyone he employs will have a particular task that is important to him > and he appreciates that so I think it would be insulting to him and anyone he > employs to suggest anything different. > > The protracted delay in many of the releases may be something that happens > with Ferry/Roxy more than most artists but then again he is no ordinary rock > star. Frustrating I know, but as a fan I either take that or leave it. > > J.O'B. > >> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 22:21:29 +0000 >> From: roxyrama@yahoo.co.uk >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Subject: [AVALON] Re: Roxy Music Box Set >> >> How flattering to be engaged in conversation once again with Bryan Ferry's >> spokesman's spokesman, bursting into action after a half-year hiatus. Only > two >> degrees of separation now... >> Anyhow I do find being deceived insulting. I wouldn't accept it in any > other >> sphere of my life without taking umbrage. If somebody repeatedly tells you >> they're going to do something and then don't do it, you lose respect for > them, >> don't you? Weird not to in fact. >> The potential contents of the photo book were discussed in here and > elsewhere >> in August 2013 by one of Ferry's flunkies. It wouldn't appear to have been > a >> secret. In fact it seemed that the target audience for this product were >> deliberately having their appetites whetted. Naturally it hasn't appeared. > The >> same is true of several other products whose contents were leaked by > sources >> who claims to have The Commander's sanction, but are yet to see the light > of >> day (if only The Jazz Age had been one of them...) Despite your sweeping >> statement about the industry, I'd challenge you to show me another artist > that >> has had quite as many premature or downright bogus announcements made on > his >> behalf as BF seems to.B >> This is nothing new. I remember a while back a disenchanted fan writing >> similar sentiments to mine regarding the quality of Ferry's archive > releases >> and his apparent estrangement from his fan base. Very insightful. You can > read >> it here : >> http://www.smoe.org/lists/avalon/v08.n193B (5th post) >> >> Plus ca change, eh? >> >> Chris >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 19:31:31 +0100 >> From: Jonathan Wilkins >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Roxy Music Box Set >> >> I'm not insulted - and surely most fans aren't? That would be weird. >> >> If I recall rightly, the photo book was announced by publisher, which is >> standard practice in the industry. >> >> Stuff gets announced in nearly all mediums of the ent industry especially >> music and film, no reason to single out Ferry and co. Sometimes things > don't >> make it to the shelves, for all sorts of reasons. In the words of Sinatra > and >> Rantzen, "That's life." >> >> JW >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 09:21:00 +0000 From: "John O'Brien" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: Roxy Music Box Set I have just read the post in the archives and as the composer of that I feel I have to reply. At the time I wrote that, I meant every word and still stand by what I wrote then, it was relevant and informed based on track record at the time of writing 12 years ago. I also believe that since then things have improved a lot more in terms of web presence, informing of tours in advance etc all the things that many of us complained of here. A lot of effort time and and cost has gone into some unreleased projects and I know the lack of confirmed release dates will gnaw away at fans including myself but no matter what is released when it eventually is, there will still be a lot of dissent and unhappiness with what is eventually released in among the praise that the releases will be given too, that's fans for you. I agree that there are releases in the past few years mentioned on other posts here recently that could have been better and had more content aimed at the avid fans. As a fan I find this frustrating but I have got used to that. The release of certain products being put back and is certainly frustrating for whatever reasons there may be behind that but that is something that has been going on since as far as I can remember no matter who 'team BF' are and are involved in that. I can't remember how many release dates we had for Boys And Girls 30 years ago. I don't think Mr Ferry would consider anyone he employs as a flunky. I am sure everyone he employs will have a particular task that is important to him and he appreciates that so I think it would be insulting to him and anyone he employs to suggest anything different. The protracted delay in many of the releases may be something that happens with Ferry/Roxy more than most artists but then again he is no ordinary rock star. Frustrating I know, but as a fan I either take that or leave it. J.O'B. > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 22:21:29 +0000 > From: roxyrama@yahoo.co.uk > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Re: Roxy Music Box Set > > How flattering to be engaged in conversation once again with Bryan Ferry's > spokesman's spokesman, bursting into action after a half-year hiatus. Only two > degrees of separation now... > Anyhow I do find being deceived insulting. I wouldn't accept it in any other > sphere of my life without taking umbrage. If somebody repeatedly tells you > they're going to do something and then don't do it, you lose respect for them, > don't you? Weird not to in fact. > The potential contents of the photo book were discussed in here and elsewhere > in August 2013 by one of Ferry's flunkies. It wouldn't appear to have been a > secret. In fact it seemed that the target audience for this product were > deliberately having their appetites whetted. Naturally it hasn't appeared. The > same is true of several other products whose contents were leaked by sources > who claims to have The Commander's sanction, but are yet to see the light of > day (if only The Jazz Age had been one of them...) Despite your sweeping > statement about the industry, I'd challenge you to show me another artist that > has had quite as many premature or downright bogus announcements made on his > behalf as BF seems to.B > This is nothing new. I remember a while back a disenchanted fan writing > similar sentiments to mine regarding the quality of Ferry's archive releases > and his apparent estrangement from his fan base. Very insightful. You can read > it here : > http://www.smoe.org/lists/avalon/v08.n193B (5th post) > > Plus ca change, eh? > > Chris > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 19:31:31 +0100 > From: Jonathan Wilkins > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Roxy Music Box Set > > I'm not insulted - and surely most fans aren't? That would be weird. > > If I recall rightly, the photo book was announced by publisher, which is > standard practice in the industry. > > Stuff gets announced in nearly all mediums of the ent industry especially > music and film, no reason to single out Ferry and co. Sometimes things don't > make it to the shelves, for all sorts of reasons. In the words of Sinatra and > Rantzen, "That's life." > > JW > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 17:39:01 +0200 From: "A. van Lammeren" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music Box Set Hi Avalonia. Glad to read 'some substance'... ;-] Tara, Anton.B - -- Still flying . . . 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