From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V15 #415 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, September 3 2012 Volume 15 : Number 415 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Re: complete studio box set [JohnOBrien001@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] The oboe is not dead.......... ["Mark Longhorn" ] Re: [AVALON] Designer Shoe Warehouse - The In Crowd ["J. Kaufman" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 09:46:31 -0400 (EDT) From: JohnOBrien001@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: complete studio box set In a message dated 29/08/2012 12:29:26 GMT Daylight Time, mark@olivetreepl.plus.com writes: It seems that the disappointment is overwhelming, as usual. If there's anyone from the Roxy camp reading this then listen: this is your pension we're talking about! First of all, look at the immersion box sets from pink floyd: overindulgent? Yes? Expensive? Yes? Do they give the fans what they want ? YES! All right, I didnt for one minute expect 5.1 from the Roxy camp. I didn't expect unfinished or unissued extras. It has been strongly hinted on forums etc that there will be a deluxe version of the first album out this year and if this is a success then this will be carried right through the entire 8 albums. The first album is currently being re-mixed for surround sound. There are many items up for consideration for the inclusion in this box set including all the BBC sessions and the June 1971 demo with Roger Bunn and Dexter Lloyd which sounds amazing. I have heard some studio out takes from the first album that will be essential additions to this box set. There is a lot of time, effort and money being put into these re-issues (partly being funded by The Complete Roxy Music so don't knock it's existence too much if you want these rarities released.) What I did expect was a little imagination though. Why not look at all the wonderful issued tracks we have which were faded out early why not extended versions of say dreamhome or hula kula or in fact anything other than the utter bag of sh@te which comprises the so called extras disc? The concept of The Complete Roxy Music was to do 'what it says on the tin' This is the 8 studio albums plus everything that was released on the 7" singles, 12" singles and best ofs released while the band where a recording band 1972-1982. With that concept in mind the tracks pick themself. This box set is exactly what they released then, NO MORE, NO LESS. The individual deluxe album box set for each album is the place for the more obscure previously unreleased stuff Why not issue the entire existing back catalogue in high def DVD versions - surely this would not have been too onerous a task? There are plans for this where the albums will be released on 4 DVDs with the high resolution masters with 2 albums on each DVD. This is for a more specialist market hence the reason to leave these out of the box set. And then there's the presentation- a black box. Wow, that must have taken hours to come up with. Not to mention the poor print colours and lack of lyrics on sleeves. This was a massive, missed opportunity from everyone involved in the project- tut tut tut I was involved in this so some of the tut tut's can be directed at me but there are some suggestion etc I had that were not used either I was surprised that the box set was black. I was at a meeting in BFs studio and had shown them the 1981 first 7 albums box set. As the 2012 box set was intended to be a 'historical document' that would capture 1972-1982 with historical fact then the intention was to replicate the box set they released during that period. The original '81 box was a simple elegant design that allowed the artwork on the contents within to speak for themselves. Ferry had stated that he didn't want a collage of the album sleeves on the front he wanted something simple. My last involvement in this box set was at the end of March this year and I hadn't seen any proofs etc since so what ended up in the final box was a surprise to me when I got a copy. If had the opportunity to change things I would have suggested to put all the 'extras' on each relevant individual album and that would leave the budget used to create the double disc to be used for a booklet. The booklet could have shown some of the unseen photos that exist in the BF archive but then again these will make their way on to the deluxe editions. It would have been nice if there was an essay by Michael Bracewell even if they just lifted the album by album essays in the 2011 Roxy tour book. I was asked to write a chronology/description of all the bonus tracks, where they originally appeared and what the differences where to the album tracks. This was not used but can now be read here: _http://www.vivaroxymusic.com/articles_460.php_ (http://www.vivaroxymusic.com/articles_460.php) I had also created images of where all the bonus tracks originally came from too, these can be seen here: _https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.504007639614670.135675.504005166281584&type=3_ (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.504007639614670.135675.504005166281584&type=3) I feel the absence of a booklet is the main criticism in all the reviews I have read. The absence of this also has led to many of the reviews misunderstanding what the 'bonus' track are. I have heard them described as 'out-takes' (they have all been released before in one form or another). 'Re-mixes', making it sound as dance mixes by some 2012 DJ What I would say about this box set is: *** The box set is designed as a one stop shop historical document of the music they released 1972-1982 and therefore the tracks chose themselves. There is nothing arbitrary about the inclusion or omission of any track, this is exactly what was released and is now all available on CD for the first time *** Yes there are some things I would change about the packaging and content. *** I was surprised at this fact but it was the number 3 best seller on Amazon the week it was released and has sold beyond everyone involved's original expectation. *** No one is forced to buy this. *** All the rare unreleased stuff that the more avid fans like ourselves want have a place to be released and The Complete Roxy Music is not that place. *** A release of the deluxe editions of the individual albums containing these rarities would never be possible if it wasn't for the availability and success of The Complete Roxy Music. *** I agree there have been some missed opportunities within the context of what this box set was intended to be, mainly a booklet. J.O'B. Mactheaxe - plenty of axes left to grind Sent from my iPhone ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 09:56:23 +0100 From: "Mark Longhorn" Subject: RE: [AVALON] The oboe is not dead.......... I can heartily recommend this EP to everyone. A truly solid rhythm section (drums by no less than Richard himself) and some guitar playing that will truly amaze you. At times very reminiscent of Steely Dan without the vocals, but with a strong jazz twist (check the name). See them if you can and buy the EP. Mactheaxe still plenty of axes to grind.... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Evans Richard Sent: 01 September 2012 14:01 To: Avalon avalon Subject: [AVALON] The oboe is not dead.......... Thought I'd share this pic of my band Thelonius on stage at the O2 Academy in Bristol to prove the oboe isn't dead (I am the old git at the back) - we weren't playing Ladytron but our own tune called Spanish Joint and in a shameless plug, our EP is available on iTunes - just search Thelonius and Reminisce EP Cheers Richard [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpg which had a name of O2 B.jpg] ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 17:19:08 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: complete studio box set Thanks for your insight John - a) interesting and b) useful Much appreciated Richard Evans On 2 Sep 2012, at 14:46, JohnOBrien001@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 29/08/2012 12:29:26 GMT Daylight Time, > mark@olivetreepl.plus.com writes: > > It seems that the disappointment is overwhelming, as usual. > If there's anyone from the Roxy camp reading this then listen: this is > your pension we're talking about! > First of all, look at the immersion box sets from pink floyd: > overindulgent? Yes? Expensive? Yes? Do they give the fans what they want ? YES! All > right, I didnt for one minute expect 5.1 from the Roxy camp. I didn't expect > unfinished or unissued extras. > > It has been strongly hinted on forums etc that there will be a deluxe > version of the first album out this year and if this is a success then this will > be carried right through the entire 8 albums. The first album is currently > being re-mixed for surround sound. There are many items up for > consideration for the inclusion in this box set including all the BBC sessions and the > June 1971 demo with Roger Bunn and Dexter Lloyd which sounds amazing. I > have heard some studio out takes from the first album that will be essential > additions to this box set. There is a lot of time, effort and money being > put into these re-issues (partly being funded by The Complete Roxy Music so > don't knock it's existence too much if you want these rarities released.) > > > What I did expect was a little imagination though. Why not look at > all the wonderful issued tracks we have which were faded out early why not > extended versions of say dreamhome or hula kula or in fact anything other > than the utter bag of sh@te which comprises the so called extras disc? > The concept of The Complete Roxy Music was to do 'what it says on the tin' > This is the 8 studio albums plus everything that was released on the 7" > singles, 12" singles and best ofs released while the band where a recording > band 1972-1982. With that concept in mind the tracks pick themself. This box > set is exactly what they released then, NO MORE, NO LESS. The individual > deluxe album box set for each album is the place for the more obscure > previously unreleased stuff > > > Why not issue the entire existing back catalogue in high def DVD > versions - surely this would not have been too onerous a task? > There are plans for this where the albums will be released on 4 DVDs with > the high resolution masters with 2 albums on each DVD. This is for a more > specialist market hence the reason to leave these out of the box set. > > > And then there's the presentation- a black box. Wow, that must have > taken hours to come up with. Not to mention the poor print colours and > lack of lyrics on sleeves. > This was a massive, missed opportunity from everyone involved in the > project- tut tut tut > I was involved in this so some of the tut tut's can be directed at me but > there are some suggestion etc I had that were not used either I was > surprised that the box set was black. I was at a meeting in BFs studio and had > shown them the 1981 first 7 albums box set. As the 2012 box set was intended to > be a 'historical document' that would capture 1972-1982 with historical > fact then the intention was to replicate the box set they released during > that period. The original '81 box was a simple elegant design that allowed the > artwork on the contents within to speak for themselves. Ferry had stated > that he didn't want a collage of the album sleeves on the front he wanted > something simple. > > My last involvement in this box set was at the end of March this year and I > hadn't seen any proofs etc since so what ended up in the final box was a > surprise to me when I got a copy. If had the opportunity to change things I > would have suggested to put all the 'extras' on each relevant individual > album and that would leave the budget used to create the double disc to be > used for a booklet. The booklet could have shown some of the unseen photos > that exist in the BF archive but then again these will make their way on to > the deluxe editions. It would have been nice if there was an essay by > Michael Bracewell even if they just lifted the album by album essays in the 2011 > Roxy tour book. > > I was asked to write a chronology/description of all the bonus tracks, > where they originally appeared and what the differences where to the album > tracks. This was not used but can now be read here: > _http://www.vivaroxymusic.com/articles_460.php_ > (http://www.vivaroxymusic.com/articles_460.php) > I had also created images of where all the bonus tracks originally came > from too, these can be seen here: > _https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.504007639614670.135675.504005166281584&type=3_ > (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.504007639614670.135675.504005166281584&type=3) > > I feel the absence of a booklet is the main criticism in all the reviews I > have read. The absence of this also has led to many of the reviews > misunderstanding what the 'bonus' track are. I have heard them described as > 'out-takes' (they have all been released before in one form or another). > 'Re-mixes', making it sound as dance mixes by some 2012 DJ > > What I would say about this box set is: > > *** The box set is designed as a one stop shop historical document of the > music they released 1972-1982 and therefore the tracks chose themselves. > There is nothing arbitrary about the inclusion or omission of any track, this > is exactly what was released and is now all available on CD for the first > time > *** Yes there are some things I would change about the packaging and > content. > *** I was surprised at this fact but it was the number 3 best seller on > Amazon the week it was released and has sold beyond everyone involved's > original expectation. > *** No one is forced to buy this. > *** All the rare unreleased stuff that the more avid fans like ourselves > want have a place to be released and The Complete Roxy Music is not that > place. > *** A release of the deluxe editions of the individual albums containing > these rarities would never be possible if it wasn't for the availability and > success of The Complete Roxy Music. > *** I agree there have been some missed opportunities within the context of > what this box set was intended to be, mainly a booklet. > > J.O'B. > > > > > > > Mactheaxe - plenty of axes left to grind > > Sent from my iPhone > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 06:14:10 -0400 (EDT) From: JohnOBrien001@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 5.1 remix of 1st album The 5.1 Re-mix is intended for the forthcoming deluxe edition of the first album. J.O'B. In a message dated 02/09/2012 09:05:45 GMT Daylight Time, shearerandrew@hotmail.com writes: This is encouraging with respect to what we want, we really, really want.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/sep/02/roxy-music-40-years?INTCMP=SRCH Will probably cost a fortune. Andrew www.andrewshearer.com Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 12:40:26 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Cassidy Subject: Re: [AVALON] she sells.....shoes hopefully that will lead people to listen to more of the great man's work. 40 years on Ferry's version is so incredibly powerful and timeless. I wonder whether at the time that was in BF's thinking to make things that couldn't be dated as the majority of his work apart from say the first album and 'in your mind' possibly (to me anyway) has dated pretty well. Regards Chris (Boing! Boing! From: hugh manatee To: "avalon@smoe.org" Sent: Saturday, 1 September 2012, 17:25 Subject: [AVALON] she sells.....shoes there is a shoe stone chain tv-ad playing in the us that is using ferry's version of "the in crowd" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 12:21:02 +0200 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: 5.1 remix of 1st album Hi I think someone mentioned that the 5.1.-edition would also contain some extra stuff. Maybe we finally get a CD or two with those early BBC-sessions/concerts in the best quality available ??? Ole - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Longhorn [mailto:mark@olivetreepl.plus.com] To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 09:52:05 +0100 Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: 5.1 remix of 1st album Good news indeed! Slightly disconcerting that it's not being directly worked on by Manz himself, but 'some guy' though: let's hope he's sympathetic to the feel. Now all we need is someone to put a little effort into what the final product will contain and look like and maybe we'll be happy! Mactheaxe still plenty of axes to grind - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Shearer Sent: 02 September 2012 08:58 To: avalon avalon Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: 5.1 remix of 1st album This is encouraging with respect to what we want, we really, really want.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/sep/02/roxy-music-40-yea rs?INTCMP=SRCH Will probably cost a fortune. Andrew www.andrewshearer.comTwitter & Facebook: @shearermusic ____________________________________________________ _______________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________ ________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 22:48:46 -0500 From: "J. Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Designer Shoe Warehouse - The In Crowd Thanks to KC who posted this on another forum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2nsUihyIw Judy - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce MacQueen My 20 year old daughter called me to say that Designer Shoe Warehouse is using Bryan's cover of The In Crowd in their TV ads. (At least one of my children was raised properly!) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 09:52:05 +0100 From: "Mark Longhorn" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: 5.1 remix of 1st album Good news indeed! Slightly disconcerting that it's not being directly worked on by Manz himself, but 'some guy' though: let's hope he's sympathetic to the feel. Now all we need is someone to put a little effort into what the final product will contain and look like and maybe we'll be happy! Mactheaxe still plenty of axes to grind - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Shearer Sent: 02 September 2012 08:58 To: avalon avalon Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: 5.1 remix of 1st album This is encouraging with respect to what we want, we really, really want.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/sep/02/roxy-music-40-years?INTCMP=SRCH Will probably cost a fortune. Andrew www.andrewshearer.com Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 11:44:27 +0000 (UTC) From: Bruce MacQueen Subject: [AVALON] Designer Shoe Warehouse - The In Crowd My 20 year old daughter called me to say that Designer Shoe Warehouse is using Bryan's cover of The In Crowd in their TV ads. (At least one of my children was raised properly!) "What's so funny 'bout peace, love & understanding?" (Nick Lowe) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 07:03:19 -0400 (EDT) From: JohnOBrien001@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: complete studio box set In a message dated 29/08/2012 12:29:26 GMT Daylight Time, mark@olivetreepl.plus.com writes: It seems that the disappointment is overwhelming, as usual. If there's anyone from the Roxy camp reading this then listen: this is your pension we're talking about! First of all, look at the immersion box sets from pink floyd: overindulgent? Yes? Expensive? Yes? Do they give the fans what they want ? YES! All right, I didnt for one minute expect 5.1 from the Roxy camp. I didn't expect unfinished or unissued extras. It has been strongly hinted on forums etc that there will be a deluxe version of the first album out this year and if this is a success then this will be carried right through the entire 8 albums. The first album is currently being re-mixed for surround sound. There are many items up for consideration for the inclusion in this box set including all the BBC sessions and the June 1971 demo with Roger Bunn and Dexter Lloyd which sounds amazing. I have heard some studio out takes from the first album that will be essential additions to this box set. There is a lot of time, effort and money being put into these re-issues (partly being funded by The Complete Roxy Music so don't knock it's existence too much if you want these rarities released.) What I did expect was a little imagination though. Why not look at all the wonderful issued tracks we have which were faded out early why not extended versions of say dreamhome or hula kula or in fact anything other than the utter bag of sh@te which comprises the so called extras disc? The concept of The Complete Roxy Music was to do 'what it says on the tin' This is the 8 studio albums plus everything that was released on the 7" singles, 12" singles and best ofs released while the band where a recording band 1972-1982. With that concept in mind the tracks pick themself. This box set is exactly what they released then, NO MORE, NO LESS. The individual deluxe album box set for each album is the place for the more obscure previously unreleased stuff Why not issue the entire existing back catalogue in high def DVD versions - surely this would not have been too onerous a task? There are plans for this where the albums will be released on 4 DVDs with the high resolution masters with 2 albums on each DVD. This is for a more specialist market hence the reason to leave these out of the box set. And then there's the presentation- a black box. Wow, that must have taken hours to come up with. Not to mention the poor print colours and lack of lyrics on sleeves. This was a massive, missed opportunity from everyone involved in the project- tut tut tut I was involved in this so some of the tut tut's can be directed at me but there are some suggestion etc I had that were not used either I was surprised that the box set was black. I was at a meeting in BFs studio and had shown them the 1981 first 7 albums box set. As the 2012 box set was intended to be a 'historical document' that would capture 1972-1982 with historical fact then the intention was to replicate the box set they released during that period. The original '81 box was a simple elegant design that allowed the artwork on the contents within to speak for themselves. Ferry had stated that he didn't want a collage of the album sleeves on the front he wanted something simple. My last involvement in this box set was at the end of March this year and I hadn't seen any proofs etc since so what ended up in the final box was a surprise to me when I got a copy. If had the opportunity to change things I would have suggested to put all the 'extras' on each relevant individual album and that would leave the budget used to create the double disc to be used for a booklet. The booklet could have shown some of the unseen photos that exist in the BF archive but then again these will make their way on to the deluxe editions. It would have been nice if there was an essay by Michael Bracewell even if they just lifted the album by album essays in the 2011 Roxy tour book. I was asked to write a chronology/description of all the bonus tracks, where they originally appeared and what the differences where to the album tracks. This was not used but can now be read here: _http://www.vivaroxymusic.com/articles_460.php_ (http://www.vivaroxymusic.com/articles_460.php) I had also created images of where all the bonus tracks originally came from too, these can be seen here: _https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.504007639614670.135675.504005166281584&type=3_ (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.504007639614670.135675.504005166281584&type=3) I feel the absence of a booklet is the main criticism in all the reviews I have read. The absence of this also has led to many of the reviews misunderstanding what the 'bonus' track are. I have heard them described as 'out-takes' (they have all been released before in one form or another). 'Re-mixes', making it sound as dance mixes by some 2012 DJ What I would say about this box set is: *** The box set is designed as a one stop shop historical document of the music they released 1972-1982 and therefore the tracks chose themselves. There is nothing arbitrary about the inclusion or omission of any track, this is exactly what was released and is now all available on CD for the first time *** Yes there are some things I would change about the packaging and content. *** I was surprised at this fact but it was the number 3 best seller on Amazon the week it was released and has sold beyond everyone involved's original expectation. *** No one is forced to buy this. *** All the rare unreleased stuff that the more avid fans like ourselves want have a place to be released and The Complete Roxy Music is not that place. *** A release of the deluxe editions of the individual albums containing these rarities would never be possible if it wasn't for the availability and success of The Complete Roxy Music. *** I agree there have been some missed opportunities within the context of what this box set was intended to be, mainly a booklet. J.O'B. Mactheaxe - plenty of axes left to grind Sent from my iPhone ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 06:22:01 +0200 From: "Jimbo" Subject: [AVALON] UK Found this .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2uqxFG0Spw&feature=channel&list=UL Enjoy, jim. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V15 #415 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest