From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V15 #256 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, December 9 2011 Volume 15 : Number 256 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] Out Of Contract [Andrew Shearer ] Re: [AVALON] Out Of Contract [kwil ] RE: [AVALON] Out Of Contract [Andrew Shearer ] Re: [AVALON] Out Of Contract [Richard Evans ] Re: [AVALON] Out Of Contract [kwil ] Re: [AVALON] Out Of Contract [Richard Evans ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 11:10:18 +0000 From: Andrew Shearer Subject: RE: [AVALON] Out Of Contract I understand what he says about the work involved running his own label but he has already won half the battle by having a loyal following. And to be honest releasing a record doesn't involve that much once everything is set up. I think Isaac's management of the "new media" has been quite good (although questionably it overshadowed the record itself) and I get the impression he's more than capable of overseeing the release of records. I suspect the record companies are now only really interested in the mega-sellers such as Adele, X-Factor wannabies etc now that the music/money-pie is significantly shrinking. I read an article about Ryan Adams recently which said he can make a living out of releasing his own stuff: I realise that wouldn't be in the realms of providing for BF's standard of living but then he does also have all the corporate performances which are clearly an important income stream to him too. I suspect there's a certain element of kudos that he likes from being with a big label and that might put him off going it alone. However Olympia has proved that that doesn't guarantee great success. Perhaps having his own label would be an ideal way for him to go, especially in light of the"Bryan Ferry organisation" becoming far more adept at audience/ fan interaction (with Facebook etc). And you can bet your last dollar that if there was anything which appeared to be troubling the charts the big record companies would start banging on his door for licensing rights etc. It does beg the question who is releasing the anniversary edition of the first Roxy album next year? Does it mean that Roxy are still signed and BF isn't? Now I can see that as being a significant factor in a new Roxy album! (:-) Andrew www.andrewshearer.com Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > To: shearerandrew@hotmail.com; avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Out Of Contract > From: kwil632057@aol.com > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 05:04:47 -0500 > > > > Yeah, that leapt out at me, too. Given Olympia's poor chart > performance, I wonder how much negotiation power Ferry has now? > > Elsewhere, and i can't recall where, I seem to remember him saying that > he was ready to return to the studio fairly soon? > J > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Shearer > To: avalon avalon > Sent: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:58 > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Out Of Contract > > > Thanks to John for sharing > this:http://www.vivaroxymusic.com/articles_451.php > > I hadn't realised Ferry no longer had a record contract. > > > > > > Andrew > > > > www.andrewshearer.com > Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > __ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 07:56:43 -0500 (EST) From: kwil Subject: Re: [AVALON] Out Of Contract I wouldn't be at all surprised if a new Roxy or Ferry album was released via The Mail on Sunday. J - -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Shearer To: avalon avalon Sent: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 11:15 Subject: RE: [AVALON] Out Of Contract I understand what he says about the work involved running his own label but he has already won half the battle by having a loyal following. And to be honest releasing a record doesn't involve that much once everything is set up. I think Isaac's management of the "new media" has been quite good (although questionably it overshadowed the record itself) and I get the impression he's more than capable of overseeing the release of records. I suspect the record companies are now only really interested in the mega-sellers such as Adele, X-Factor wannabies etc now that the music/money-pie is significantly shrinking. I read an article about Ryan Adams recently which said he can make a living out of releasing his own stuff: I realise that wouldn't be in the realms of providing for BF's standard of living but then he does also have all the corporate performances which are clearly an important income stream to him too. I suspect there's a certain element of kudos that he likes from being with a big label and that might put him off going it alone. However Olympia has proved that that doesn't guarantee great success. Perhaps having his own label would be an ideal way for him to go, especially in light of the"Bryan Ferry organisation" becoming far more adept at audience/ fan interaction (with Facebook etc). And you can bet your last dollar that if there was anything which appeared to be troubling the charts the big record companies would start banging on his door for licensing rights etc. It does beg the question who is releasing the anniversary edition of the first Roxy album next year? Does it mean that Roxy are still signed and BF isn't? Now I can see that as being a significant factor in a new Roxy album! (:-) Andrew www.andrewshearer.com Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > To: shearerandrew@hotmail.com; avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Out Of Contract > From: kwil632057@aol.com > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 05:04:47 -0500 > > > > Yeah, that leapt out at me, too. Given Olympia's poor chart > performance, I wonder how much negotiation power Ferry has now? > > Elsewhere, and i can't recall where, I seem to remember him saying that > he was ready to return to the studio fairly soon? > J > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Shearer > To: avalon avalon > Sent: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:58 > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Out Of Contract > > > Thanks to John for sharing > this:http://www.vivaroxymusic.com/articles_451.php > > I hadn't realised Ferry no longer had a record contract. > > > > > > Andrew > > > > www.andrewshearer.com > Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > __ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon _________________________________________________________________________ __ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:19:08 +0000 From: Andrew Shearer Subject: RE: [AVALON] Out Of Contract True (:-) But I wonder really if the problem isn't that the records are being built up piecemeal instead of worked through as a band first. That's why I think your idea about the Dylanesqueesque (sic) band is a good one. Definitely from personal experience it's the way I'd do it now: I think my songs are so much better now having been rehearsed and played live many times (with me just on the guitar) than they are on the record in an "overdubbed band " format. Andrew www.andrewshearer.com Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > CC: avalon@smoe.org > From: richarde66@mac.com > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Out Of Contract > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:45:41 +0000 > To: shearerandrew@hotmail.com > > 40 mins might concentrate the Ferry mind though - it was all right for the first load of Roxy/Ferry albums !!!!!!!!!! > > > On 8 Dec 2011, at 13:07, Andrew Shearer wrote: > > > Richard, you're right I'd overlooked the likes of Anna Calvi etc. Actually I > > agree with all you've said apart from the 40 min max - I think I'd feel short > > changed with that. > > > > > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > www.andrewshearer.com > > Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > > > > > >> CC: avalon@smoe.org > >> From: richarde66@mac.com > >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Out Of Contract > >> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:05:13 +0000 > >> To: shearerandrew@hotmail.com > >> > >> Andrew > >> > >> You know more about getting albums out but I don't think even today new > > media offers a totally satisfying solution. A possible solution would be his > > own label and a distribution deal supported by online stuff. > >> > >> I think record companies are a little bit more interested in quality stuff - > > currently listening to Anna Calvi's album which is pretty good. > >> > >> Yes the Ferry organisation is becoming more adept at the new media thing > > which is a good thing although my own view is that is still is a little > > disorganised and unco-ordinated. > >> > >> At the end of the day though it all comes down to the quality of the album - > > you can't escape that and although Olympia - IMHO - was not the greatest there > > was an opportunity to shift some units. Sadly again in my view - its impact > > was lessened by the whole Roxy issue - the 'album' and the FYP tour timing. > >> > >> BF's recent tour was IMHO the best of his solo tours and if some thought had > > been given to the timing of all the promotion the album could have done > > better > >> > >> But at the end of the day it still comes down to quality and although the > > packaging, production and playing was fab, Olympia fell short in material > >> > >> BF ought to get his band into the studio and get them to play live as per > > Dylanesque and restrict overdubs and guitar parts and stick to 40 mins max > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Richard > >> > >> > >> On 8 Dec 2011, at 11:10, Andrew Shearer wrote: > >> > >>> I understand what he says about the work involved running his own label > > but he > >>> has already won half the battle by having a loyal following. And to be > > honest > >>> releasing a record doesn't involve that much once everything is set up. I > >>> think Isaac's management of the "new media" has been quite good > > (although > >>> questionably it overshadowed the record itself) and I get the impression > > he's > >>> more than capable of overseeing the release of records. I suspect the > > record > >>> companies are now only really interested in the mega-sellers such as > > Adele, > >>> X-Factor wannabies etc now that the music/money-pie is significantly > >>> shrinking. I read an article about Ryan Adams recently which said he can > > make > >>> a living out of releasing his own stuff: I realise that wouldn't be in > > the > >>> realms of providing for BF's standard of living but then he does also have > > all > >>> the corporate performances which are clearly an important income stream to > > him > >>> too. I suspect there's a certain element of kudos that he likes from > > being > >>> with a big label and that might put him off going it alone. However > > Olympia > >>> has proved that that doesn't guarantee great success. Perhaps having his > > own > >>> label would be an ideal way for him to go, especially in light of > > the"Bryan > >>> Ferry organisation" becoming far more adept at audience/ fan interaction > > (with > >>> Facebook etc). And you can bet your last dollar that if there was > > anything > >>> which appeared to be troubling the charts the big record companies would > > start > >>> banging on his door for licensing rights etc. > >>> > >>> It does beg the question who is releasing the anniversary edition of the > > first > >>> Roxy album next year? Does it mean that Roxy are still signed and BF > > isn't? > >>> Now I can see that as being a significant factor in a new Roxy album! > > (:-) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Andrew > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> www.andrewshearer.com > >>> Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > >>> > >>> > >>>> To: shearerandrew@hotmail.com; avalon@smoe.org > >>>> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Out Of Contract > >>>> From: kwil632057@aol.com > >>>> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 05:04:47 -0500 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Yeah, that leapt out at me, too. Given Olympia's poor chart > >>>> performance, I wonder how much negotiation power Ferry has now? > >>>> > >>>> Elsewhere, and i can't recall where, I seem to remember him saying that > >>>> he was ready to return to the studio fairly soon? > >>>> J > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Andrew Shearer > >>>> To: avalon avalon > >>>> Sent: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:58 > >>>> Subject: RE: [AVALON] Out Of Contract > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks to John for sharing > >>>> this:http://www.vivaroxymusic.com/articles_451.php > >>>> > >>>> I hadn't realised Ferry no longer had a record contract. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Andrew > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> www.andrewshearer.com > >>>> Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > _________________________________________________________________________ > >>>> __ > >>>> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > >>> > >>> > >>> > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 12:05:13 +0000 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Out Of Contract Andrew You know more about getting albums out but I don't think even today new media offers a totally satisfying solution. A possible solution would be his own label and a distribution deal supported by online stuff. I think record companies are a little bit more interested in quality stuff - currently listening to Anna Calvi's album which is pretty good. Yes the Ferry organisation is becoming more adept at the new media thing which is a good thing although my own view is that is still is a little disorganised and unco-ordinated. At the end of the day though it all comes down to the quality of the album - you can't escape that and although Olympia - IMHO - was not the greatest there was an opportunity to shift some units. Sadly again in my view - its impact was lessened by the whole Roxy issue - the 'album' and the FYP tour timing. BF's recent tour was IMHO the best of his solo tours and if some thought had been given to the timing of all the promotion the album could have done better But at the end of the day it still comes down to quality and although the packaging, production and playing was fab, Olympia fell short in material BF ought to get his band into the studio and get them to play live as per Dylanesque and restrict overdubs and guitar parts and stick to 40 mins max Cheers Richard On 8 Dec 2011, at 11:10, Andrew Shearer wrote: > I understand what he says about the work involved running his own label but he > has already won half the battle by having a loyal following. And to be honest > releasing a record doesn't involve that much once everything is set up. I > think Isaac's management of the "new media" has been quite good (although > questionably it overshadowed the record itself) and I get the impression he's > more than capable of overseeing the release of records. I suspect the record > companies are now only really interested in the mega-sellers such as Adele, > X-Factor wannabies etc now that the music/money-pie is significantly > shrinking. I read an article about Ryan Adams recently which said he can make > a living out of releasing his own stuff: I realise that wouldn't be in the > realms of providing for BF's standard of living but then he does also have all > the corporate performances which are clearly an important income stream to him > too. I suspect there's a certain element of kudos that he likes from being > with a big label and that might put him off going it alone. However Olympia > has proved that that doesn't guarantee great success. Perhaps having his own > label would be an ideal way for him to go, especially in light of the"Bryan > Ferry organisation" becoming far more adept at audience/ fan interaction (with > Facebook etc). And you can bet your last dollar that if there was anything > which appeared to be troubling the charts the big record companies would start > banging on his door for licensing rights etc. > > It does beg the question who is releasing the anniversary edition of the first > Roxy album next year? Does it mean that Roxy are still signed and BF isn't? > Now I can see that as being a significant factor in a new Roxy album! (:-) > > > > > > Andrew > > > > www.andrewshearer.com > Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > > >> To: shearerandrew@hotmail.com; avalon@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Out Of Contract >> From: kwil632057@aol.com >> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 05:04:47 -0500 >> >> >> >> Yeah, that leapt out at me, too. Given Olympia's poor chart >> performance, I wonder how much negotiation power Ferry has now? >> >> Elsewhere, and i can't recall where, I seem to remember him saying that >> he was ready to return to the studio fairly soon? >> J >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andrew Shearer >> To: avalon avalon >> Sent: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:58 >> Subject: RE: [AVALON] Out Of Contract >> >> >> Thanks to John for sharing >> this:http://www.vivaroxymusic.com/articles_451.php >> >> I hadn't realised Ferry no longer had a record contract. >> >> >> >> >> >> Andrew >> >> >> >> www.andrewshearer.com >> Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> __ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 05:04:47 -0500 (EST) From: kwil Subject: Re: [AVALON] Out Of Contract Yeah, that leapt out at me, too. Given Olympia's poor chart performance, I wonder how much negotiation power Ferry has now? Elsewhere, and i can't recall where, I seem to remember him saying that he was ready to return to the studio fairly soon? J - -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Shearer To: avalon avalon Sent: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:58 Subject: RE: [AVALON] Out Of Contract Thanks to John for sharing this:http://www.vivaroxymusic.com/articles_451.php I hadn't realised Ferry no longer had a record contract. Andrew www.andrewshearer.com Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic _________________________________________________________________________ __ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 13:45:41 +0000 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Out Of Contract 40 mins might concentrate the Ferry mind though - it was all right for the first load of Roxy/Ferry albums !!!!!!!!!! On 8 Dec 2011, at 13:07, Andrew Shearer wrote: > Richard, you're right I'd overlooked the likes of Anna Calvi etc. Actually I > agree with all you've said apart from the 40 min max - I think I'd feel short > changed with that. > > > > > Andrew > > > > www.andrewshearer.com > Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > > >> CC: avalon@smoe.org >> From: richarde66@mac.com >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Out Of Contract >> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:05:13 +0000 >> To: shearerandrew@hotmail.com >> >> Andrew >> >> You know more about getting albums out but I don't think even today new > media offers a totally satisfying solution. A possible solution would be his > own label and a distribution deal supported by online stuff. >> >> I think record companies are a little bit more interested in quality stuff - > currently listening to Anna Calvi's album which is pretty good. >> >> Yes the Ferry organisation is becoming more adept at the new media thing > which is a good thing although my own view is that is still is a little > disorganised and unco-ordinated. >> >> At the end of the day though it all comes down to the quality of the album - > you can't escape that and although Olympia - IMHO - was not the greatest there > was an opportunity to shift some units. Sadly again in my view - its impact > was lessened by the whole Roxy issue - the 'album' and the FYP tour timing. >> >> BF's recent tour was IMHO the best of his solo tours and if some thought had > been given to the timing of all the promotion the album could have done > better >> >> But at the end of the day it still comes down to quality and although the > packaging, production and playing was fab, Olympia fell short in material >> >> BF ought to get his band into the studio and get them to play live as per > Dylanesque and restrict overdubs and guitar parts and stick to 40 mins max >> >> Cheers >> >> Richard >> >> >> On 8 Dec 2011, at 11:10, Andrew Shearer wrote: >> >>> I understand what he says about the work involved running his own label > but he >>> has already won half the battle by having a loyal following. And to be > honest >>> releasing a record doesn't involve that much once everything is set up. I >>> think Isaac's management of the "new media" has been quite good > (although >>> questionably it overshadowed the record itself) and I get the impression > he's >>> more than capable of overseeing the release of records. I suspect the > record >>> companies are now only really interested in the mega-sellers such as > Adele, >>> X-Factor wannabies etc now that the music/money-pie is significantly >>> shrinking. I read an article about Ryan Adams recently which said he can > make >>> a living out of releasing his own stuff: I realise that wouldn't be in > the >>> realms of providing for BF's standard of living but then he does also have > all >>> the corporate performances which are clearly an important income stream to > him >>> too. I suspect there's a certain element of kudos that he likes from > being >>> with a big label and that might put him off going it alone. However > Olympia >>> has proved that that doesn't guarantee great success. Perhaps having his > own >>> label would be an ideal way for him to go, especially in light of > the"Bryan >>> Ferry organisation" becoming far more adept at audience/ fan interaction > (with >>> Facebook etc). And you can bet your last dollar that if there was > anything >>> which appeared to be troubling the charts the big record companies would > start >>> banging on his door for licensing rights etc. >>> >>> It does beg the question who is releasing the anniversary edition of the > first >>> Roxy album next year? Does it mean that Roxy are still signed and BF > isn't? >>> Now I can see that as being a significant factor in a new Roxy album! > (:-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> >>> >>> www.andrewshearer.com >>> Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic >>> >>> >>>> To: shearerandrew@hotmail.com; avalon@smoe.org >>>> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Out Of Contract >>>> From: kwil632057@aol.com >>>> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 05:04:47 -0500 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yeah, that leapt out at me, too. Given Olympia's poor chart >>>> performance, I wonder how much negotiation power Ferry has now? >>>> >>>> Elsewhere, and i can't recall where, I seem to remember him saying that >>>> he was ready to return to the studio fairly soon? >>>> J >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Andrew Shearer >>>> To: avalon avalon >>>> Sent: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:58 >>>> Subject: RE: [AVALON] Out Of Contract >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks to John for sharing >>>> this:http://www.vivaroxymusic.com/articles_451.php >>>> >>>> I hadn't realised Ferry no longer had a record contract. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Andrew >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> www.andrewshearer.com >>>> Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic >>>> >>>> >>>> > _________________________________________________________________________ >>>> __ >>>> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >>> >>> >>> > ___________________________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V15 #256 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest