From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V15 #152 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, July 27 2011 Volume 15 : Number 152 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] 72-75 What Else Then? [Simon Galloway ] RE: [AVALON] 72-75 What Else Then? ->Rhett [Andrew Shearer ] Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. [kwil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. [TERENCE OCONNOR ] RE: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. [Andrew Shearer ] Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. [helen@triffidbait.ca] Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. [Richard Evans ] Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. [jocelynfiske@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:17:58 +0100 From: Simon Galloway Subject: Re: [AVALON] 72-75 What Else Then? I think Rhett is/was more about sonic exploration and texture rather than 'smooth'. He was closely involved with Eno during the 70s, helping Eno faciliatate and realise his ideas during that time, techniques which Davies quite clearly applied to the albums he made with Roxy and Ferry in the 80s. To compare him to Colin Good I feel is rather harsh, and a vast undermining of the contribution he's made to music (in terms of engineering and production) not just with Roxy, Ferry and Eno, but with the many other artists he's worked with over the years. Simon On 27 July 2011 04:43, Victor Hastings wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Richard Evans >> To: JohnOBrien001@aol.com >> Cc: avalon@smoe.org >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:50 AM >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] 72-75 What Else Then? > >> 2. They should have involved someone like Eno/John Cale/Thomas as a producer to >> maintain that in built difficult listening. Rhett Davies is fantastic but is all >> about smooth - they needed to maintain the surprises > > > Rhett Davis is the studio equivalent of Colin Good. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:35:02 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] 72-75 What Else Then? So you really like Flesh and Blood then????? LOL As for British drummers not swinging - err wonder of BF had ever heard John Bonham, Mitch Mitchell, Keith Moon, Charlie Watts and Paul Thompson play On 27 Jul 2011, at 04:43, Victor Hastings wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Richard Evans >> To: JohnOBrien001@aol.com >> Cc: avalon@smoe.org >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:50 AM >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] 72-75 What Else Then? > >> 1. Song structure should have gone back to the more circular form of the first >> four albums rather than going for a standard verse chorus etc type thing - >> StreetLife and Virginia Plain were hits so why not newer stuff > > > Yup. > >> 2. They should have involved someone like Eno/John Cale/Thomas as a producer to >> maintain that in built difficult listening. Rhett Davies is fantastic but is all >> about smooth - they needed to maintain the surprises > > > Rhett Davis is the studio equivalent of Colin Good. > > >> 3. Don't mess up TGPT - he was and is the key link with 'normal >> music' > > > But Ferry said British drummers can't swing! > > God, that was all I needed to hear about F+B. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:36:36 +0000 From: Andrew Shearer Subject: RE: [AVALON] 72-75 What Else Then? ->Rhett I was pleasantly surprised to discover he produced Aimee Mann's previous band 'Til Tuesday's last album Everything's Different Now when I discovered Mann in the mid 90s. A great album I thought; quality throughout. Andrew www.andrewshearer.com Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:17:58 +0100 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] 72-75 What Else Then? > From: simongmusic@gmail.com > To: avalon@smoe.org > > I think Rhett is/was more about sonic exploration and texture rather > than 'smooth'. He was closely involved with Eno during the 70s, > helping Eno faciliatate and realise his ideas during that time, > techniques which Davies quite clearly applied to the albums he made > with Roxy and Ferry in the 80s. To compare him to Colin Good I feel is > rather harsh, and a vast undermining of the contribution he's made to > music (in terms of engineering and production) not just with Roxy, > Ferry and Eno, but with the many other artists he's worked with over > the years. > > Simon > > > On 27 July 2011 04:43, Victor Hastings wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Richard Evans > >> To: JohnOBrien001@aol.com > >> Cc: avalon@smoe.org > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:50 AM > >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] 72-75 What Else Then? > > > >> 2. They should have involved someone like Eno/John Cale/Thomas as a producer to > >> maintain that in built difficult listening. Rhett Davies is fantastic but is all > >> about smooth - they needed to maintain the surprises > > > > > > Rhett Davis is the studio equivalent of Colin Good. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:53:29 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] 72-75 What Else Then? Think RD is better than CG - but he's more of an engineer than a producer to me Didn't mean to undermine his contribution as his role in Avalon is massive - what a great album On 27 Jul 2011, at 13:17, Simon Galloway wrote: > I think Rhett is/was more about sonic exploration and texture rather > than 'smooth'. He was closely involved with Eno during the 70s, > helping Eno faciliatate and realise his ideas during that time, > techniques which Davies quite clearly applied to the albums he made > with Roxy and Ferry in the 80s. To compare him to Colin Good I feel is > rather harsh, and a vast undermining of the contribution he's made to > music (in terms of engineering and production) not just with Roxy, > Ferry and Eno, but with the many other artists he's worked with over > the years. > > Simon > > > On 27 July 2011 04:43, Victor Hastings wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Richard Evans >>> To: JohnOBrien001@aol.com >>> Cc: avalon@smoe.org >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:50 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AVALON] 72-75 What Else Then? >> >>> 2. They should have involved someone like Eno/John Cale/Thomas as a producer to >>> maintain that in built difficult listening. Rhett Davies is fantastic but is all >>> about smooth - they needed to maintain the surprises >> >> >> Rhett Davis is the studio equivalent of Colin Good. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:43:57 -0400 (EDT) From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. Just read the article. Hmmm. Frantic underrated? Not at the time of release it wasn't. Quite the opposite. I remember it getting really glowing reviews when in reality it's all over the shop and one of Ferry's weakest in my opinion. Goddess of Love mentioned in the same breath as Sign of the Times? No thanks. J - -----Original Message----- From: Simon Galloway To: Avalon Sent: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:39 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. Funnily enough, last year a colleague asked me to put together a CD of Roxy/Ferry tunes for her younger sister who was going away to university. I asked her which songs her sister already knew, and the reply was 'Virginia Plain'. That was enough for me to go on. I didn't make it too obscure, stuck mainly to Roxy/Ferry singles, mostly 1970s, with a handful of album tracks and even slipped in To Make You Feel My Love, which I figured she'd know thanks to the Adele version. But if I were to choose just one (non-compilation) album to recommend, it would have to be For Your Pleasure. Simon On 26 July 2011 18:23, Amry K wrote: > If you were advising someone at a young age who had never heard of BF. & > Roxy. what would you tell them to listen to? ---ATGB when it came out > I thought it was Ferry trying to grab the Senior crowd. Too mellow for > someone to get into real good. Maybe that was his goal to get newbies of > the older generation. At his age could be his agenda. Got to appeal to > all somehow to stay selling records. I do love Olympia as IMO it does > reach out to several masses. After all look at Adele. appeals to all in > a crazy sort of way. ---Lets not be to judgemental on Ferry. We love his > works of yesterdays. Just be glad he still is around & got enough going > to draw for tours.---Eventually some day that voice will not be up to > par but until then enjoy the hell out of what he can give us now. > > Alway's , Marlana > > > _________________________________________________________________________ __ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon _________________________________________________________________________ __ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:49:45 +0100 (BST) From: TERENCE OCONNOR Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. Frantic includes 3 of the finest Ferry compositions of the past 20 years. Hiroshima.. San Simeon and I Thought. Even Fool For Love is a brilliant song. Just a poor rendition. For these Frantic is worthy of praise. Terry 'O' From: "kwil632057@aol.com" To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2011, 15:43 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. Just read the article. Hmmm. Frantic underrated? Not at the time of release it wasn't. Quite the opposite. I remember it getting really glowing reviews when in reality it's all over the shop and one of Ferry's weakest in my opinion. Goddess of Love mentioned in the same breath as Sign of the Times? No thanks. J - -----Original Message----- From: Simon Galloway To: Avalon Sent: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:39 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. Funnily enough, last year a colleague asked me to put together a CD of Roxy/Ferry tunes for her younger sister who was going away to university. I asked her which songs her sister already knew, and the reply was 'Virginia Plain'. That was enough for me to go on. I didn't make it too obscure, stuck mainly to Roxy/Ferry singles, mostly 1970s, with a handful of album tracks and even slipped in To Make You Feel My Love, which I figured she'd know thanks to the Adele version. But if I were to choose just one (non-compilation) album to recommend, it would have to be For Your Pleasure. Simon On 26 July 2011 18:23, Amry K wrote: > If you were advising someone at a young age who had never heard of BF. & > Roxy. what would you tell them to listen to? ---ATGB when it came out > I thought it was Ferry trying to grab the Senior crowd. Too mellow for > someone to get into real good. Maybe that was his goal to get newbies of > the older generation. At his age could be his agenda. Got to appeal to > all somehow to stay selling records. I do love Olympia as IMO it does > reach out to several masses. After all look at Adele. appeals to all in > a crazy sort of way. - ---Lets not be to judgemental on Ferry. We love his > works of yesterdays. Just be glad he still is around & got enough going > to draw for tours.---Eventually some day that voice will not be up to > par but until then enjoy the hell out of what he can give us now. > > Alway's , Marlana > > > _________________________________________________________________________ __ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon _________________________________________________________________________ __ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:56:14 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. I Thought - best Ferry solo track since Avalon Richard Evans On 27 Jul 2011, at 15:49, TERENCE OCONNOR wrote: > Frantic includes 3 of the finest Ferry compositions of the past 20 years. > Hiroshima.. > San Simeon > and I Thought. > > Even Fool For Love is a brilliant > song. Just a poor rendition. > > For these Frantic is worthy of praise. > > Terry > 'O' > > From: "kwil632057@aol.com" > To: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: > Wednesday, 27 July 2011, 15:43 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. > > Just > read the article. Hmmm. Frantic underrated? Not at the time of release it > wasn't. Quite the opposite. I remember it getting really glowing reviews when > in reality it's all over the shop and one of Ferry's weakest in my opinion. > Goddess of Love mentioned in the same breath as Sign of the Times? No thanks. > J > > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Galloway > To: > Avalon > Sent: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:39 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] > Re: spoiler & etc. > > > Funnily enough, last year a colleague asked me to put > together a CD of > Roxy/Ferry tunes for her younger sister who was going away to > university. I asked her which songs her sister already knew, and the > reply was > 'Virginia Plain'. That was enough for me to go on. I didn't > make it too > obscure, stuck mainly to Roxy/Ferry singles, mostly 1970s, > with a handful of > album tracks and even slipped in To Make You Feel My > Love, which I figured > she'd know thanks to the Adele version. > > But if I were to choose just one > (non-compilation) album to recommend, > it would have to be For Your Pleasure. > Simon > > On 26 July 2011 18:23, Amry K wrote: >> If you were > advising someone at a young age who had never heard of > BF. & >> Roxy. what > would you tell them to listen to? ---ATGB when it came > out >> I thought it > was Ferry trying to grab the Senior crowd. Too mellow for >> someone to get > into real good. Maybe that was his goal to get newbies > of >> the older > generation. At his age could be his agenda. Got to appeal to >> all somehow to > stay selling records. I do love Olympia as IMO it does >> reach out to several > masses. After all look at Adele. appeals to all > in >> a crazy sort of way. > ---Lets not be to judgemental on Ferry. We love > his >> works of yesterdays. > Just be glad he still is around & got enough > going >> to draw for > tours.---Eventually some day that voice will not be up to >> par but until then > enjoy the hell out of what he can give us now. >> >> Alway's , Marlana >> >> >> > _________________________________________________________________________ > __ >> > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________________ > __ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To > unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:05:18 +0000 From: Andrew Shearer Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. Still haven't read it but did I spot that it said you can usually pick one or two moments of greatness off each album? I certainly thought that of I Thought on Frantic. And Cruel too (though I always imagined him singing to himself "Oh why are you so cool?") Oh and One Way Love. (Just joking on that last bit). Andrew www.andrewshearer.com Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. > From: kwil632057@aol.com > Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:43:57 -0400 > > Just read the article. Hmmm. Frantic underrated? Not at the time of > release it wasn't. Quite the opposite. I remember it getting really > glowing reviews when in reality it's all over the shop and one of > Ferry's weakest in my opinion. > Goddess of Love mentioned in the same breath as Sign of the Times? No > thanks. > > J > > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Galloway > To: Avalon > Sent: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:39 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. > > > Funnily enough, last year a colleague asked me to put together a CD of > Roxy/Ferry tunes for her younger sister who was going away to > university. I asked her which songs her sister already knew, and the > reply was 'Virginia Plain'. That was enough for me to go on. I didn't > make it too obscure, stuck mainly to Roxy/Ferry singles, mostly 1970s, > with a handful of album tracks and even slipped in To Make You Feel My > Love, which I figured she'd know thanks to the Adele version. > > But if I were to choose just one (non-compilation) album to recommend, > it would have to be For Your Pleasure. > > Simon > > On 26 July 2011 18:23, Amry K wrote: > > If you were advising someone at a young age who had never heard of > BF. & > > Roxy. what would you tell them to listen to? ---ATGB when it came > out > > I thought it was Ferry trying to grab the Senior crowd. Too mellow for > > someone to get into real good. Maybe that was his goal to get newbies > of > > the older generation. At his age could be his agenda. Got to appeal to > > all somehow to stay selling records. I do love Olympia as IMO it does > > reach out to several masses. After all look at Adele. appeals to all > in > > a crazy sort of way. ---Lets not be to judgemental on Ferry. We love > his > > works of yesterdays. Just be glad he still is around & got enough > going > > to draw for tours.---Eventually some day that voice will not be up to > > par but until then enjoy the hell out of what he can give us now. > > > > Alway's , Marlana > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > __ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 11:20:42 -0400 (EDT) From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. Not funny. One Way Love is not a joking matter. On a serious note, there's not a lot of love for Mamouna, is there? Your Painted Smile is a corker as far as I'm concerned. J - -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Shearer To: avalon avalon Sent: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:08 Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. Oh and One Way Love. (Just joking on that last bit). Andrew www.andrewshearer.com Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. > From: kwil632057@aol.com > Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:43:57 -0400 > > Just read the article. Hmmm. Frantic underrated? Not at the time of > release it wasn't. Quite the opposite. I remember it getting really > glowing reviews when in reality it's all over the shop and one of > Ferry's weakest in my opinion. > Goddess of Love mentioned in the same breath as Sign of the Times? No > thanks. > > J > > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Galloway > To: Avalon > Sent: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:39 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. > > > Funnily enough, last year a colleague asked me to put together a CD of > Roxy/Ferry tunes for her younger sister who was going away to > university. I asked her which songs her sister already knew, and the > reply was 'Virginia Plain'. That was enough for me to go on. I didn't > make it too obscure, stuck mainly to Roxy/Ferry singles, mostly 1970s, > with a handful of album tracks and even slipped in To Make You Feel My > Love, which I figured she'd know thanks to the Adele version. > > But if I were to choose just one (non-compilation) album to recommend, > it would have to be For Your Pleasure. > > Simon > > On 26 July 2011 18:23, Amry K wrote: > > If you were advising someone at a young age who had never heard of > BF. & > > Roxy. what would you tell them to listen to? ---ATGB when it came > out > > I thought it was Ferry trying to grab the Senior crowd. Too mellow for > > someone to get into real good. Maybe that was his goal to get newbies > of > > the older generation. At his age could be his agenda. Got to appeal to > > all somehow to stay selling records. I do love Olympia as IMO it does > > reach out to several masses. After all look at Adele. appeals to all > in > > a crazy sort of way. ---Lets not be to judgemental on Ferry. We love > his > > works of yesterdays. Just be glad he still is around & got enough > going > > to draw for tours.---Eventually some day that voice will not be up to > > par but until then enjoy the hell out of what he can give us now. > > > > Alway's , Marlana > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > __ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > _________________________________________________________________________ __ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon _________________________________________________________________________ __ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 11:18:29 -0400 (EDT) From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. I always wondered whether Ferry's latter stuff is too over-produced. The piano version of FFL is far, far superior to the Frantic version and the same could be said for the pared down version of The Only Face which sounded way too fussy on Mamouna but great on the ATGB tour and on the Jools Holland compilation. There are a couple of songs on Olympia that might benefit from this, I feel. J - -----Original Message----- From: TERENCE OCONNOR To: kwil632057 CC: AvalonAvalon Sent: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:03 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. Frantic includes 3 of the finest Ferry compositions of the past 20 years. Hiroshima.. San Simeon and I Thought. Even Fool For Love is a brilliant song. Just a poor rendition. For these Frantic is worthy of praise. Terry 'O' From: "kwil632057@aol.com" To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2011, 15:43 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. Just read the article. Hmmm. Frantic underrated? Not at the time of release it wasn't. Quite the opposite. I remember it getting really glowing reviews when in reality it's all over the shop and one of Ferry's weakest in my opinion. Goddess of Love mentioned in the same breath as Sign of the Times? No thanks. J - -----Original Message----- From: Simon Galloway To: Avalon Sent: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:39 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. Funnily enough, last year a colleague asked me to put together a CD of Roxy/Ferry tunes for her younger sister who was going away to university. I asked her which songs her sister already knew, and the reply was 'Virginia Plain'. That was enough for me to go on. I didn't make it too obscure, stuck mainly to Roxy/Ferry singles, mostly 1970s, with a handful of album tracks and even slipped in To Make You Feel My Love, which I figured she'd know thanks to the Adele version. But if I were to choose just one (non-compilation) album to recommend, it would have to be For Your Pleasure. Simon On 26 July 2011 18:23, Amry K wrote: > If you were advising someone at a young age who had never heard of BF. & > Roxy. what would you tell them to listen to? ---ATGB when it came out > I thought it was Ferry trying to grab the Senior crowd. Too mellow for > someone to get into real good. Maybe that was his goal to get newbies of > the older generation. At his age could be his agenda. Got to appeal to > all somehow to stay selling records. I do love Olympia as IMO it does > reach out to several masses. After all look at Adele. appeals to all in > a crazy sort of way. - ---Lets not be to judgemental on Ferry. We love his > works of yesterdays. Just be glad he still is around & got enough going > to draw for tours.---Eventually some day that voice will not be up to > par but until then enjoy the hell out of what he can give us now. > > Alway's , Marlana > > > _________________________________________________________________________ __ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon _________________________________________________________________________ __ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon _________________________________________________________________________ __ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon _________________________________________________________________________ __ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:24:42 +0100 From: Simon Galloway Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. A very generous gift from Eno. Very gracious of him to share the wriring credits with Bryan. :) Simon On 27 July 2011 15:56, Richard Evans wrote: > I Thought - best Ferry solo track since Avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:27:26 +0000 From: helen@triffidbait.ca Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. I like One Way Love. Good beat, danceable, and not over-produced. Don't knock a good little pop ditty. Some of us aren't looking for the magnum opus, just a "really good time" That said, I do keep going back to the first 4 or 5 albums. I guess I'm a 72-75 kinda gal "Sent from my highly addictive gizmo" - -----Original Message----- From: kwil632057@aol.com Sender: owner-avalon@smoe.org Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 11:20:42 To: ; Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. Not funny. One Way Love is not a joking matter. On a serious note, there's not a lot of love for Mamouna, is there? Your Painted Smile is a corker as far as I'm concerned. J - -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Shearer To: avalon avalon Sent: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:08 Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. Oh and One Way Love. (Just joking on that last bit). Andrew www.andrewshearer.com Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. > From: kwil632057@aol.com > Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:43:57 -0400 > > Just read the article. Hmmm. Frantic underrated? Not at the time of > release it wasn't. Quite the opposite. I remember it getting really > glowing reviews when in reality it's all over the shop and one of > Ferry's weakest in my opinion. > Goddess of Love mentioned in the same breath as Sign of the Times? No > thanks. > > J > > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Galloway > To: Avalon > Sent: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:39 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. > > > Funnily enough, last year a colleague asked me to put together a CD of > Roxy/Ferry tunes for her younger sister who was going away to > university. I asked her which songs her sister already knew, and the > reply was 'Virginia Plain'. That was enough for me to go on. I didn't > make it too obscure, stuck mainly to Roxy/Ferry singles, mostly 1970s, > with a handful of album tracks and even slipped in To Make You Feel My > Love, which I figured she'd know thanks to the Adele version. > > But if I were to choose just one (non-compilation) album to recommend, > it would have to be For Your Pleasure. > > Simon > > On 26 July 2011 18:23, Amry K wrote: > > If you were advising someone at a young age who had never heard of > BF. & > > Roxy. what would you tell them to listen to? ---ATGB when it came > out > > I thought it was Ferry trying to grab the Senior crowd. Too mellow for > > someone to get into real good. Maybe that was his goal to get newbies > of > > the older generation. At his age could be his agenda. Got to appeal to > > all somehow to stay selling records. I do love Olympia as IMO it does > > reach out to several masses. After all look at Adele. appeals to all > in > > a crazy sort of way. ---Lets not be to judgemental on Ferry. We love > his > > works of yesterdays. Just be glad he still is around & got enough > going > > to draw for tours.---Eventually some day that voice will not be up to > > par but until then enjoy the hell out of what he can give us now. > > > > Alway's , Marlana > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > __ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > _________________________________________________________________________ __ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon _________________________________________________________________________ __ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:29:50 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. Definitely over-produced - that's why I like Dylanesque - small band essentially playing live and only three guitarists On 27 Jul 2011, at 16:18, kwil632057@aol.com wrote: > I always wondered whether Ferry's latter stuff is too over-produced. The piano version of FFL is far, far superior to the Frantic version and the same could be said for the pared down version of The Only Face which sounded way too fussy on Mamouna but great on the ATGB tour and on the Jools Holland compilation. There are a couple of songs on Olympia that might benefit from this, I feel. > > > J > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TERENCE OCONNOR > To: kwil632057 > CC: AvalonAvalon > Sent: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:03 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. > > > Frantic includes 3 of the finest Ferry compositions of the past 20 years. > Hiroshima.. > San Simeon > and I Thought. > > Even Fool For Love is a brilliant > song. Just a poor rendition. > > For these Frantic is worthy of praise. > > Terry > 'O' > > From: "kwil632057@aol.com" > To: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: > Wednesday, 27 July 2011, 15:43 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. > > Just > read the article. Hmmm. Frantic underrated? Not at the time of release it > wasn't. Quite the opposite. I remember it getting really glowing reviews when > in reality it's all over the shop and one of Ferry's weakest in my opinion. > Goddess of Love mentioned in the same breath as Sign of the Times? No thanks. > J > > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Galloway > To: > Avalon > Sent: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:39 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] > Re: spoiler & etc. > > > Funnily enough, last year a colleague asked me to put > together a CD of > Roxy/Ferry tunes for her younger sister who was going away to > university. I asked her which songs her sister already knew, and the > reply was > 'Virginia Plain'. That was enough for me to go on. I didn't > make it too > obscure, stuck mainly to Roxy/Ferry singles, mostly 1970s, > with a handful of > album tracks and even slipped in To Make You Feel My > Love, which I figured > she'd know thanks to the Adele version. > > But if I were to choose just one > (non-compilation) album to recommend, > it would have to be For Your Pleasure. > Simon > > On 26 July 2011 18:23, Amry K wrote: >> If you were > advising someone at a young age who had never heard of > BF. & >> Roxy. what > would you tell them to listen to? ---ATGB when it came > out >> I thought it > was Ferry trying to grab the Senior crowd. Too mellow for >> someone to get > into real good. Maybe that was his goal to get newbies > of >> the older > generation. At his age could be his agenda. Got to appeal to >> all somehow to > stay selling records. I do love Olympia as IMO it does >> reach out to several > masses. After all look at Adele. appeals to all > in >> a crazy sort of way. > ---Lets not be to judgemental on Ferry. We love > his >> works of yesterdays. > Just be glad he still is around & got enough > going >> to draw for > tours.---Eventually some day that voice will not be up to >> par but until then > enjoy the hell out of what he can give us now. >> >> Alway's , Marlana >> >> >> > _________________________________________________________________________ > > __ >> > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________________ > > __ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________________ > __ > To > unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > __ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 11:26:16 -0400 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. I listened to Frantic again quite recently on a long distance train journey. It was the first time I'd heard it since it came out and a lot of it fell flat for me - quite possibly because I played Alphaville (the album not the track) directly before it. Alphaville is full of energy and guts and spits venom (Love War). However, I Thought stood out head and shoulders above anything else, such a beautiful, charming little ditty, textural, simple and gorgeous. J - -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Shearer To: avalon avalon Sent: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:05 Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. Still haven't read it but did I spot that it said you can usually pick one or two moments of greatness off each album? I certainly thought that of I Thought on Frantic. And Cruel too (though I always imagined him singing to himself "Oh why are you so cool?") Oh and One Way Love. (Just joking on that last bit). Andrew www.andrewshearer.com Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. > From: kwil632057@aol.com > Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:43:57 -0400 > > Just read the article. Hmmm. Frantic underrated? Not at the time of > release it wasn't. Quite the opposite. I remember it getting really > glowing reviews when in reality it's all over the shop and one of > Ferry's weakest in my opinion. > Goddess of Love mentioned in the same breath as Sign of the Times? No > thanks. > > J > > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Galloway > To: Avalon > Sent: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:39 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: spoiler & etc. > > > Funnily enough, last year a colleague asked me to put together a CD of > Roxy/Ferry tunes for her younger sister who was going away to > university. I asked her which songs her sister already knew, and the > reply was 'Virginia Plain'. That was enough for me to go on. I didn't > make it too obscure, stuck mainly to Roxy/Ferry singles, mostly 1970s, > with a handful of album tracks and even slipped in To Make You Feel My > Love, which I figured she'd know thanks to the Adele version. > > But if I were to choose just one (non-compilation) album to recommend, > it would have to be For Your Pleasure. > > Simon > > On 26 July 2011 18:23, Amry K wrote: > > If you were advising someone at a young age who had never heard of > BF. & > > Roxy. what would you tell them to listen to? ---ATGB when it came > out > > I thought it was Ferry trying to grab the Senior crowd. Too mellow for > > someone to get into real good. Maybe that was his goal to get newbies > of > > the older generation. At his age could be his agenda. Got to appeal to > > all somehow to stay selling records. I do love Olympia as IMO it does > > reach out to several masses. After all look at Adele. appeals to all > in > > a crazy sort of way. ---Lets not be to judgemental on Ferry. We love > his > > works of yesterdays. Just be glad he still is around & got enough > going > > to draw for tours.---Eventually some day that voice will not be up to > > par but until then enjoy the hell out of what he can give us now. > > > > Alway's , Marlana > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > __ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V15 #152 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest