From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V15 #139 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, July 13 2011 Volume 15 : Number 139 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Erratum? [chandla911@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Kew and a fine time [Andrew Shearer ] RE: [AVALON] Erratum? [Andrew Shearer ] [AVALON] Manzo interview on FF [chandla911@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] The Party's Over [Richard Evans ] Re: [AVALON] Manzo interview on FF [Richard Evans ] Re: [AVALON] Kew and a fine time [jocelynfiske@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Post Q [Richard Evans ] Re: [AVALON] Erratum? [kwil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Kew and a fine time [kwil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Post Q [chandla911@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] The Party's Over [kwil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Post Q [kwil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Post Q [Richard Evans ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 04:35:49 -0400 From: chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Erratum? While it is an issue that Ferry wishes to play down, he had cardiovascular stents inserted through a process called angioplasty. If you wish to debate whether that constitutes surgery, it's up to you. Richard Mills PS David Bowie had the same process and it has effectively scared the bejaysus out of him, cancelling all his plans to record an album a year and tour them for some eight years now. So fair play to Bryan... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 08:42:11 +0000 From: Andrew Shearer Subject: RE: [AVALON] Kew and a fine time From Kew: Sign of the Times - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6EWMHgnwhA What Goes On - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RIiYug4PXE&NR=1 Andrew www.andrewshearer.com Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > From: shearerandrew@hotmail.com > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Kew and a fine time > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:23:43 +0000 > > Actually Terry, you raise two interesting points which I'd forgotten: > > 1. I didn't think Bitter Sweet was very good either - not a patch on the ATGB > tour. It was also the only time of the night that I thought BF was struggling > vocally, which seemed strange since I would've thought it was well within his > register. > > 2. I too thought Avalon was good. It's something that I usually can't wait to > finish (I like the song but I've just heard it too many times) but it seemed > to be less ephemeral and more rockier and danceable on Saturday night. Also, > the backing singer I thought did a remarkable job on the Etienne vocals; it > could've been been Yanick herself but actually she may have surpassed her > too. > > Whilst writing this, a couple of more points have occurred to me: > > A couple of fans bought some of the t-shirts but subsequently didn't think > they were the best of quality. > > It was the first tour that I've been to that I didn't feel inclined to buy a > programme. I was quite disappointed by the Roxy 2011 programme and this seems > to be a similar format. I think what I don't like are whole pages taken up > with single photographs. Perhaps we've been spoilt by previous tours which > have had rare out-takes and photos drawings and designs etc. I've lost count > of the number hours spent poring over those books and nearly always finding > something that I hadn't noticed before. Of course, it's just personal > preference and others might prefer the current format. > > > > > > Andrew > > > > www.andrewshearer.com > Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > > > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:18:00 +0100 > > From: stranded22@btinternet.com > > Subject: [AVALON] Kew and a fine time > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > > > Well there have been some great reviews of the Kew show, so you all know > that > > Ferry and his band of players were on fine form, a static but good set list > in > > an outdoor setting and a fine english summer evening. Perhaps I should have > > done the lottery as the chances of these things seem unlikely at best!! > > > > I > > arrived with my small gang of supporters (3 of us!!) around 6.30 only to > walk > > the 15 minutes of queueing picknickers to find the end of the queue!! This > > wasn't boding well. But I'd checked out the website and notice something > > called the dance area directly in front of the stage. Now only had cheap > > tickets so I was worried that I wouldn't be able to access this essentail > > position. I knew there was Roxy royalty with tickets to the toffs area with > > their champagne glasses and tables etc: So with a little detection I found > > myself stage left at the front. Perfect!! > > Also great was a stand selling very > > fine South African Sauvignon Blanc with fancy glasses at a very reasonable > > price!! It get's better. > > > > So Ferry arrives on stage in great voice and a fine > > version of Spell On You, this crashes into Slave To Love, a fine version of > If > > There Is Something comes along with the glamour girl doing a fine Andy > > impression, this is the 3rd time I've seen this played on 3 different tours > > within a year!! Who'd have thought it? > > Make You Feel My Love goes by > > beautifully, You Can Dance and Alphaville sound great and the audience are > > with Ferry all the way. Reason Or Rhyme, not a favourite of mine from the > > album loses it's way somewhere, people around me are starting to chatter. I > > think he should have tried Tender Is The Night which would have been lovely > on > > this balmy evening as the light was fading. Sign Of The Times was great, > but > > over in a flash. Like a Hurricane was better than earlier in the year with > > Roxy, but seems pointless really with so many other of Ferry's own songs > > waiting an outing. Tara seemed rushed somehow, but Spedding played some > nice > > acoustic guitar. Bitter Sweet really failed for me, it felt rushed and out > of > > sinc with the rest of the set. If he really wanted to something from > Country > > Life, Out Of The Blue seems a better bet, but personally and in the context > of > > this out door show perhaps Tokyo Joe might have been a better choice. > Avalon > > sounded the best > > I've ever heard live, My Only Love ( my heart sank at the opening bars ), > but > > I looked round to see couples happily swaying and having a romantic moment, > so > > that proves me wrong. Great to hear What Goes On and now we are on the > canter > > home with LITD, EOY, LST & JG. > > > > I'm left happy that I've seen one of the best > > Ferry shows ever, and I've seen every tour of his. > > > > It's interesting to see > > Ollie moved stage front into Phils position and now doing BV's too. I was > so > > thankful that it wasn't Jeff Thall in Speddings place. His playing was so > > overpowering on the Bete Noir tour. It has been said that Ollie and Neil > > didn't interact, I can confirm this, Ollie checked out Neil a few times, > but > > he wasn't paying any attention to the young virtuoso. > > > > So what the end > > result. A much happier Ferry than with his Roxy cohorts, sounding much > > stronger than I've heard him in years. This year is going to be a long slog > > for a man of his age and I hope he's as good for our US friends as he was > for > > us. > > > > The bonus of the night is always meeting fellow fans, so it was good to > > meet Andrew, Johnathon and the Divine Miss F!! Also to the lady I'd met > before > > who abandoned her husband and joined our little band! even bought her own > > whiskey with her!! Sorry, forgot your name. > > > > All the best > > > > Terry 'O' > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 04:46:29 -0400 From: chandla911@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Post Q The track I'm thinking of is A Really Good Time. It reminds me of Tokyo Joe by way of string arrangement stylie. Sophie DID look a fright. And she danced like a panto horse. She normally does neither So there. Some of you guys are funny. Shame you don't write to Avalon more. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Evans To: chandla911@aol.com CC: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 8:18 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Post Q Any particular 74/75 roxy tracks you had in your mind so to speak Richard Evans On 12 Jul 2011, at 01:21, chandla911@aol.com wrote: > On Sunday morning, I drove from Blighty sur le continent through France, Belgium, Germany and now Austria. Oliver (my son, who also enjoyed Kew) packed the Thrill Of It All box set for the journey and it has been on non stop for most of the driving. And I conclude that, despite playing music very loud and repeat playing Roxy from Day 1, there is an awful lot I have not properly heard or so it seems, leading to a rather embarrassing red faced confession. Until yesterday, I have always though the first line ar of A Song For Europe as "Here, as I sit in this SHANTY cafe...". Oh well, 38 years later... There seems to be whistling low in the mix during Sultanesque - Bryan Ferry? art Has anyone isolated the words spoken during The Pride And The Pain & The Numberer? They are not actually instrumental, are they? Were some of the 1974 and 1975 Roxy tracks also arranged as for In Your Mind (by Ann ODell). Some sound remarkably similar (to me). Just asking Richard ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:00:14 +0000 From: Tracy Connell Subject: RE: [AVALON] The Party's Over It's always been the same, Stephen. I've commented on the complaining a few times. Why can't people be grateful that Ferry is doing live shows, we can go see him, he's still around. Robert Palmer fans can't go and see him can they - bet they would give the world to see him sing Addicted to Love live just one more time! Be grateful he is here, whether he is singing My only love, Jealous Guy or Love is the Drug. Ferry certainly has a hard fanbase to please sometimes! > From: set@cyclobe.com > Subject: [AVALON] The Party's Over > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:55:11 +0100 > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Dear Avalon, > > Finally read too many posts sniping, complaining, and passing petty judgement on Ferry, like a bunch of Statlers and Waldorfs without the gags. Depressing. > > Bye. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:35:59 +0000 From: Andrew Shearer Subject: RE: [AVALON] Erratum? I hope you got that information through legitimate means Richard and not blagging. Andrew www.andrewshearer.com Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Erratum? > Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 04:35:49 -0400 > From: chandla911@aol.com > > While it is an issue that Ferry wishes to play down, he had cardiovascular > stents inserted through a process called angioplasty. If you wish to debate > whether that constitutes surgery, it's up to you. > > Richard Mills > > PS David Bowie had the same process and it has effectively scared the bejaysus > out of him, cancelling all his plans to record an album a year and tour them > for some eight years now. So fair play to Bryan... > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 05:51:46 -0400 From: chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Manzo interview on FF Record Collector interviews several guitarists about Duane Eddy. These are Phil's answers RC. When did you first hear a Duane Eddy record and what impression did it meake? PM. The first time I heard Peter Gunn would have been about 1960, when I was a boy in Venezuela. I'd just started learning the guitar and was eager to copy his sound. It was reactively easy to play that riff. RC. How big an influence do you think he has been to guitarists, not just yourself? PM. His use of the lower strings has permeated most guitarists' brains. RC. What's your favourite Duane Eddy track? PM. Peter Gunn - it has so much cool attitude. RC. Does one of your own songs owe a debt to him? PM. The solo on For Your Pleasure, from the second Roxy album. Richard Mills ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:03:37 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Party's Over On this complaining lark I'll admit straight off that I am not Ferry's biggest fan when it comes to his handling of the Roxy legacy - I've always thought Roxy's body of work is far stronger than Ferry's solo work. I am particularly incensed at the recent Olympia/Roxy album/tour farce. The point here IMHO is that it has done neither Ferry or Roxy any good because it was all such a mess of hype and confusion. The timing of it all is particularly bizarre. Bryan should have toured Olympia when it came out and perhaps then done the Roxy thing later this year. The two overlapped badly. So frustrating Having said all, that Ferry has done some great work - ATGB and its tour I thought was just fab. Dylanesque as well - great sounding album and a great tour with a great band and great setlist. Going back in time Taxi is another I love because it sounds great and Ferry is in good form vocally. I have also seen all of his solo tours since Mamouna and will be seeing him on Friday at The Arboretum near Cirencester. I hope when I have 'sniped and complained' I have done so with good grace and never been rude. Just going back to my hacking day job On 13 Jul 2011, at 10:00, Tracy Connell wrote: > It's always been the same, Stephen. I've commented on the complaining a few > times. Why can't people be grateful that Ferry is doing live shows, we can go > see him, he's still around. Robert Palmer fans can't go and see him can they - > bet they would give the world to see him sing Addicted to Love live just one > more time! Be grateful he is here, whether he is singing My only love, Jealous > Guy or Love is the Drug. Ferry certainly has a hard fanbase to please > sometimes! > > > > >> From: set@cyclobe.com >> Subject: [AVALON] The Party's Over >> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:55:11 +0100 >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> >> Dear Avalon, >> >> Finally read too many posts sniping, complaining, and passing petty > judgement on Ferry, like a bunch of Statlers and Waldorfs without the gags. > Depressing. >> >> Bye. >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:04:58 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Manzo interview on FF Nice - thanks for that Richard On 13 Jul 2011, at 10:51, chandla911@aol.com wrote: > Record Collector interviews several guitarists about Duane Eddy. These are > Phil's answers > > RC. When did you first hear a Duane Eddy record and what impression did it > meake? > > PM. The first time I heard Peter Gunn would have been about 1960, when I was a > boy in Venezuela. I'd just started learning the guitar and was eager to copy > his sound. It was reactively easy to play that riff. > > RC. How big an influence do you think he has been to guitarists, not just > yourself? > > PM. His use of the lower strings has permeated most guitarists' brains. > > RC. What's your favourite Duane Eddy track? > > PM. Peter Gunn - it has so much cool attitude. > > RC. Does one of your own songs owe a debt to him? > > PM. The solo on For Your Pleasure, from the second Roxy album. > > > Richard Mills > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:08:53 -0400 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Kew and a fine time What Goes On - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RIiYug4PXE&NR=1 Did anyone here post this clip? Because whoever that bloke is in the background singing along has a brilliant deep growly voice. Sign him up - he could be the new Fonzi! J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:46:02 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Post Q Hmm - can't see it myself as I don't really like TJ but can hear strains of Roxy in In Your Mind and Love Me Madly certainly Love the shanty cafe line - ha On 13 Jul 2011, at 09:46, chandla911@aol.com wrote: > The track I'm thinking of is A Really Good Time. It reminds me of Tokyo Joe by > way of string arrangement stylie. > > Sophie DID look a fright. And she danced like a panto horse. She normally does > neither > > So there. > > Some of you guys are funny. Shame you don't write to Avalon more. > > Richard > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Evans > To: chandla911@aol.com > CC: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 8:18 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Post Q > > > Any particular 74/75 roxy tracks you had in your mind so to speak > Richard Evans > On 12 Jul 2011, at 01:21, chandla911@aol.com wrote: >> On Sunday morning, I drove from Blighty sur le continent through France, > Belgium, Germany and now Austria. > > Oliver (my son, who also enjoyed Kew) packed the Thrill Of It All box set > for > the journey and it has been on non stop for most of the driving. > > And I conclude that, despite playing music very loud and repeat playing Roxy > from Day 1, there is an awful lot I have not properly heard or so it seems, > leading to a rather embarrassing red faced confession. > > Until yesterday, I have always though the first line ar of A Song For Europe > as > "Here, as I sit in this SHANTY cafe...". Oh well, 38 years later... > > There seems to be whistling low in the mix during Sultanesque - Bryan Ferry? > art > > Has anyone isolated the words spoken during The Pride And The Pain & The > Numberer? They are not actually instrumental, are they? > > Were some of the 1974 and 1975 Roxy tracks also arranged as for In Your Mind > (by Ann ODell). Some sound remarkably similar (to me). > > Just asking > > Richard > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:49:38 -0400 (EDT) From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Erratum? They really should pull the blinds on hospital windows. ;-) J Ps. Well, that and having a young family that he didn't want to leave while enbarking on a word tours and promotional engagements. You can't blame Bowie being a 'stay at home' Dame. If you were married to Iman, you'd never leave the house. - -----Original Message----- From: chandla911 To: avalon Sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 9:46 Subject: [AVALON] Erratum? While it is an issue that Ferry wishes to play down, he had cardiovascular stents inserted through a process called angioplasty. If you wish to debate whether that constitutes surgery, it's up to you. Richard Mills PS David Bowie had the same process and it has effectively scared the bejaysus out of him, cancelling all his plans to record an album a year and tour them for some eight years now. So fair play to Bryan... _________________________________________________________________________ __ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:58:44 -0400 (EDT) From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Kew and a fine time Cool. I forgot what a great 'audience participation' number Sign of the Times is. One of Ferry's most underated best in my opinion. J - -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Shearer To: avalon avalon Sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 9:46 Subject: RE: [AVALON] Kew and a fine time From Kew: Sign of the Times - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6EWMHgnwhA What Goes On - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RIiYug4PXE&NR=1 Andrew www.andrewshearer.com Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > From: shearerandrew@hotmail.com > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Kew and a fine time > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:23:43 +0000 > > Actually Terry, you raise two interesting points which I'd forgotten: > > 1. I didn't think Bitter Sweet was very good either - not a patch on the ATGB > tour. It was also the only time of the night that I thought BF was struggling > vocally, which seemed strange since I would've thought it was well within his > register. > > 2. I too thought Avalon was good. It's something that I usually can't wait to > finish (I like the song but I've just heard it too many times) but it seemed > to be less ephemeral and more rockier and danceable on Saturday night. Also, > the backing singer I thought did a remarkable job on the Etienne vocals; it > could've been been Yanick herself but actually she may have surpassed her > too. > > Whilst writing this, a couple of more points have occurred to me: > > A couple of fans bought some of the t-shirts but subsequently didn't think > they were the best of quality. > > It was the first tour that I've been to that I didn't feel inclined to buy a > programme. I was quite disappointed by the Roxy 2011 programme and this seems > to be a similar format. I think what I don't like are whole pages taken up > with single photographs. Perhaps we've been spoilt by previous tours which > have had rare out-takes and photos drawings and designs etc. I've lost count > of the number hours spent poring over those books and nearly always finding > something that I hadn't noticed before. Of course, it's just personal > preference and others might prefer the current format. > > > > > > Andrew > > > > www.andrewshearer.com > Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > > > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:18:00 +0100 > > From: stranded22@btinternet.com > > Subject: [AVALON] Kew and a fine time > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > > > Well there have been some great reviews of the Kew show, so you all know > that > > Ferry and his band of players were on fine form, a static but good set list > in > > an outdoor setting and a fine english summer evening. Perhaps I should have > > done the lottery as the chances of these things seem unlikely at best!! > > > > I > > arrived with my small gang of supporters (3 of us!!) around 6.30 only to > walk > > the 15 minutes of queueing picknickers to find the end of the queue!! This > > wasn't boding well. But I'd checked out the website and notice something > > called the dance area directly in front of the stage. Now only had cheap > > tickets so I was worried that I wouldn't be able to access this essentail > > position. I knew there was Roxy royalty with tickets to the toffs area with > > their champagne glasses and tables etc: So with a little detection I found > > myself stage left at the front. Perfect!! > > Also great was a stand selling very > > fine South African Sauvignon Blanc with fancy glasses at a very reasonable > > price!! It get's better. > > > > So Ferry arrives on stage in great voice and a fine > > version of Spell On You, this crashes into Slave To Love, a fine version of > If > > There Is Something comes along with the glamour girl doing a fine Andy > > impression, this is the 3rd time I've seen this played on 3 different tours > > within a year!! Who'd have thought it? > > Make You Feel My Love goes by > > beautifully, You Can Dance and Alphaville sound great and the audience are > > with Ferry all the way. Reason Or Rhyme, not a favourite of mine from the > > album loses it's way somewhere, people around me are starting to chatter. I > > think he should have tried Tender Is The Night which would have been lovely > on > > this balmy evening as the light was fading. Sign Of The Times was great, > but > > over in a flash. Like a Hurricane was better than earlier in the year with > > Roxy, but seems pointless really with so many other of Ferry's own songs > > waiting an outing. Tara seemed rushed somehow, but Spedding played some > nice > > acoustic guitar. Bitter Sweet really failed for me, it felt rushed and out > of > > sinc with the rest of the set. If he really wanted to something from > Country > > Life, Out Of The Blue seems a better bet, but personally and in the context > of > > this out door show perhaps Tokyo Joe might have been a better choice. > Avalon > > sounded the best > > I've ever heard live, My Only Love ( my heart sank at the opening bars ), > but > > I looked round to see couples happily swaying and having a romantic moment, > so > > that proves me wrong. Great to hear What Goes On and now we are on the > canter > > home with LITD, EOY, LST & JG. > > > > I'm left happy that I've seen one of the best > > Ferry shows ever, and I've seen every tour of his. > > > > It's interesting to see > > Ollie moved stage front into Phils position and now doing BV's too. I was > so > > thankful that it wasn't Jeff Thall in Speddings place. His playing was so > > overpowering on the Bete Noir tour. It has been said that Ollie and Neil > > didn't interact, I can confirm this, Ollie checked out Neil a few times, > but > > he wasn't paying any attention to the young virtuoso. > > > > So what the end > > result. A much happier Ferry than with his Roxy cohorts, sounding much > > stronger than I've heard him in years. This year is going to be a long slog > > for a man of his age and I hope he's as good for our US friends as he was > for > > us. > > > > The bonus of the night is always meeting fellow fans, so it was good to > > meet Andrew, Johnathon and the Divine Miss F!! Also to the lady I'd met > before > > who abandoned her husband and joined our little band! even bought her own > > whiskey with her!! Sorry, forgot your name. > > > > All the best > > > > Terry 'O' > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ __ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > _________________________________________________________________________ __ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon _________________________________________________________________________ __ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:10:21 -0400 From: chandla911@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Post Q I had Thrill Of It All physically with me but Tokyo Joe et al in my head only. It may have been the mambo talking. It has a lot to say. I know. About shanty cafe. I laughed too. And groaned. I was very struck listening to the box set repeatedly how very athletic Bryan's voice used to be. Singing along to it is very demanding but as time moves on, he goes for the more leisurely, less demanding style. I'm thinking Tender Is The Night for instance, which I love. But the most zealous BF fan would surely allow that the vocal is mumbled and low key, while 70s vocals were swinging from the rings and somersaulting on the beam by comparison. I'm not saying either is better, but Bryan Ferry now is not Bryan Ferry then. I mention this BECAUSE I entered Roxy Music fandom very early on and found myself singing along to the phonetics. I'll happily own up to not knowing all the words, I'd even say that the phonetic aesthetics can carry as much weight as profundity. So yeah, I envisaged a shanty cafe...silly me. I have another idea I'd value feedback on...and it's this. Brian Eno does NOT appear as aurally on the first two albums as I've always retained the thought that he does. This may shock some but maybe he wasn't the dominant member, after all. But he is evident on the B-sides to Virginia Plain and Pyjamarama. And of course, he continued to work with Phil, Andy and Paul in 801 et al AFTER his stint with Roxy. It has always struck me that the B-sides of singles were more recreational for the other members (not BF) than anything - The Numberer? The Pride And The Pain? Hula Kula? Your Application's Failed? Sultanesque? I've heard that Brian Eno, while actively working with other Roxy members on his and their solo work, might ALSO have been instrumental (no pun intended) in the studio when the Roxy mice were playing and the Mouse was away, So... ...could it be argued that, while Eno was no longer a member of Roxy Music after 1973, on record he continued to have a role in the band? Serious but not lemon-sucking answers on a postcard, please. Richard Mills - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Evans To: chandla911@aol.com CC: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:46 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Post Q Hmm - can't see it myself as I don't really like TJ but can hear strains of Roxy n In Your Mind and Love Me Madly certainly Love the shanty cafe line - ha n 13 Jul 2011, at 09:46, chandla911@aol.com wrote: > The track I'm thinking of is A Really Good Time. It reminds me of Tokyo Joe by way of string arrangement stylie. Sophie DID look a fright. And she danced like a panto horse. She normally does neither So there. Some of you guys are funny. Shame you don't write to Avalon more. Richard -----Original Message----- From: Richard Evans To: chandla911@aol.com CC: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 8:18 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Post Q Any particular 74/75 roxy tracks you had in your mind so to speak Richard Evans On 12 Jul 2011, at 01:21, chandla911@aol.com wrote: > On Sunday morning, I drove from Blighty sur le continent through France, Belgium, Germany and now Austria. Oliver (my son, who also enjoyed Kew) packed the Thrill Of It All box set for the journey and it has been on non stop for most of the driving. And I conclude that, despite playing music very loud and repeat playing Roxy from Day 1, there is an awful lot I have not properly heard or so it seems, leading to a rather embarrassing red faced confession. Until yesterday, I have always though the first line ar of A Song For Europe as "Here, as I sit in this SHANTY cafe...". Oh well, 38 years later... There seems to be whistling low in the mix during Sultanesque - Bryan Ferry? art Has anyone isolated the words spoken during The Pride And The Pain & The Numberer? They are not actually instrumental, are they? Were some of the 1974 and 1975 Roxy tracks also arranged as for In Your Mind (by Ann ODell). Some sound remarkably similar (to me). Just asking Richard ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:12:19 -0400 (EDT) From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Party's Over He has a hard fanbase to please cause he has set the bar so very high. Being hard to please isn't such a bad thing. J - -----Original Message----- From: Tracy Connell To: set ; avalon Sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:10 Subject: RE: [AVALON] The Party's Over Ferry certainly has a hard fanbase to please sometimes! > From: set@cyclobe.com > Subject: [AVALON] The Party's Over > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:55:11 +0100 > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Dear Avalon, > > Finally read too many posts sniping, complaining, and passing petty judgement on Ferry, like a bunch of Statlers and Waldorfs without the gags. Depressing. > > Bye. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ __ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon _________________________________________________________________________ __ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:28:40 -0400 (EDT) From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Post Q Oddly enough, some Roxy chums and myself tried some Roxy-oke not song long ago. It was amazing, given that these are the songs that have made such an impression on us all, how poor our recall of lyrics were. Virginia Plain was especially difficult. And for years I was sure that "Dance Away" was called "That's the Way the Heart Aches"... J - -----Original Message----- From: chandla911 To: richarde66 CC: avalon Sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 12:20 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Post Q I know. About shanty cafe. I laughed too. And groaned. I was very struck listening to the box set repeatedly how very athletic Bryan's voice used to be. Singing along to it is very demanding but as time moves on, he goes for the more leisurely, less demanding style. I'm thinking Tender Is The Night for instance, which I love. But the most zealous BF fan would surely allow that the vocal is mumbled and low key, while 70s vocals were swinging from the rings and somersaulting on the beam by comparison. I'm not saying either is better, but Bryan Ferry now is not Bryan Ferry then. I mention this BECAUSE I entered Roxy Music fandom very early on and found myself singing along to the phonetics. I'll happily own up to not knowing all the words, I'd even say that the phonetic aesthetics can carry as much weight as profundity. So yeah, I envisaged a shanty cafe...silly me. - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Evans To: chandla911@aol.com CC: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:46 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Post Q Hmm - can't see it myself as I don't really like TJ but can hear strains of Roxy n In Your Mind and Love Me Madly certainly Love the shanty cafe line - ha n 13 Jul 2011, at 09:46, chandla911@aol.com wrote: > The track I'm thinking of is A Really Good Time. It reminds me of Tokyo Joe by way of string arrangement stylie. Sophie DID look a fright. And she danced like a panto horse. She normally does neither So there. Some of you guys are funny. Shame you don't write to Avalon more. Richard -----Original Message----- From: Richard Evans To: chandla911@aol.com CC: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 8:18 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Post Q Any particular 74/75 roxy tracks you had in your mind so to speak Richard Evans On 12 Jul 2011, at 01:21, chandla911@aol.com wrote: > On Sunday morning, I drove from Blighty sur le continent through France, Belgium, Germany and now Austria. Oliver (my son, who also enjoyed Kew) packed the Thrill Of It All box set for the journey and it has been on non stop for most of the driving. And I conclude that, despite playing music very loud and repeat playing Roxy from Day 1, there is an awful lot I have not properly heard or so it seems, leading to a rather embarrassing red faced confession. Until yesterday, I have always though the first line ar of A Song For Europe as "Here, as I sit in this SHANTY cafe...". Oh well, 38 years later... There seems to be whistling low in the mix during Sultanesque - Bryan Ferry? art Has anyone isolated the words spoken during The Pride And The Pain & The Numberer? They are not actually instrumental, are they? Were some of the 1974 and 1975 Roxy tracks also arranged as for In Your Mind (by Ann ODell). Some sound remarkably similar (to me). Just asking Richard _________________________________________________________________________ __ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon _________________________________________________________________________ __ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon _________________________________________________________________________ __ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:56:42 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Post Q Interesting Eno point Richard Yes Eno's aural contributions do decrease over the first two albums - his stuff is all over the first album but less so on FYP I think he continued to have an influence over the band to a degree partly through his collaborations on solo albums but also I believe because in the original Roxy manifesto his influence particularly was an integral part of the band. I believe BF, AM, PM, BE and PT together made up the stew that was/is Roxy and that peculiar mixing of a variety of styes stayed with the band in varying degrees up to the end - Sentimental Fool, Manifesto, Amazona are good examples IMHO For what its worth I've always believed that if we didn't know the Roxy/Eno story, we could be forgiven in thinking that Eno had produced Avalon - for me its what Roxy would have sounded like if they had formed in 1981 with the original members rather than 10 years earlier. cheers the other Richard On 13 Jul 2011, at 12:10, chandla911@aol.com wrote: > I had Thrill Of It All physically with me but Tokyo Joe et al in my head only. > It may have been the mambo talking. It has a lot to say. > > I know. About shanty cafe. I laughed too. And groaned. I was very struck > listening to the box set repeatedly how very athletic Bryan's voice used to > be. Singing along to it is very demanding but as time moves on, he goes for > the more leisurely, less demanding style. I'm thinking Tender Is The Night for > instance, which I love. But the most zealous BF fan would surely allow that > the vocal is mumbled and low key, while 70s vocals were swinging from the > rings and somersaulting on the beam by comparison. I'm not saying either is > better, but Bryan Ferry now is not Bryan Ferry then. I mention this BECAUSE I > entered Roxy Music fandom very early on and found myself singing along to the > phonetics. I'll happily own up to not knowing all the words, I'd even say that > the phonetic aesthetics can carry as much weight as profundity. So yeah, I > envisaged a shanty cafe...silly me. > > I have another idea I'd value feedback on...and it's this. Brian Eno does NOT > appear as aurally on the first two albums as I've always retained the thought > that he does. This may shock some but maybe he wasn't the dominant member, > after all. But he is evident on the B-sides to Virginia Plain and Pyjamarama. > And of course, he continued to work with Phil, Andy and Paul in 801 et al > AFTER his stint with Roxy. It has always struck me that the B-sides of singles > were more recreational for the other members (not BF) than anything - The > Numberer? The Pride And The Pain? Hula Kula? Your Application's Failed? > Sultanesque? > > I've heard that Brian Eno, while actively working with other Roxy members on > his and their solo work, might ALSO have been instrumental (no pun intended) > in the studio when the Roxy mice were playing and the Mouse was away, So... > > ...could it be argued that, while Eno was no longer a member of Roxy Music > after 1973, on record he continued to have a role in the band? > > Serious but not lemon-sucking answers on a postcard, please. > > Richard Mills > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Evans > To: chandla911@aol.com > CC: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:46 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Post Q > > > Hmm - can't see it myself as I don't really like TJ but can hear strains of > Roxy > n In Your Mind and Love Me Madly certainly > Love the shanty cafe line - ha > > n 13 Jul 2011, at 09:46, chandla911@aol.com wrote: >> The track I'm thinking of is A Really Good Time. It reminds me of Tokyo Joe > by > way of string arrangement stylie. > > Sophie DID look a fright. And she danced like a panto horse. She normally > does > neither > > So there. > > Some of you guys are funny. Shame you don't write to Avalon more. > > Richard > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Evans > To: chandla911@aol.com > CC: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 8:18 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Post Q > > > Any particular 74/75 roxy tracks you had in your mind so to speak > Richard Evans > On 12 Jul 2011, at 01:21, chandla911@aol.com wrote: >> On Sunday morning, I drove from Blighty sur le continent through France, > Belgium, Germany and now Austria. > > Oliver (my son, who also enjoyed Kew) packed the Thrill Of It All box set > for > the journey and it has been on non stop for most of the driving. > > And I conclude that, despite playing music very loud and repeat playing Roxy > from Day 1, there is an awful lot I have not properly heard or so it seems, > leading to a rather embarrassing red faced confession. > > Until yesterday, I have always though the first line ar of A Song For Europe > as > "Here, as I sit in this SHANTY cafe...". Oh well, 38 years later... > > There seems to be whistling low in the mix during Sultanesque - Bryan > Ferry? > art > > Has anyone isolated the words spoken during The Pride And The Pain & The > Numberer? They are not actually instrumental, are they? > > Were some of the 1974 and 1975 Roxy tracks also arranged as for In Your Mind > (by Ann ODell). Some sound remarkably similar (to me). > > Just asking > > Richard > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V15 #139 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest