From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V15 #135 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, July 10 2011 Volume 15 : Number 135 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] The Party's Over [Terence OConnor ] [AVALON] King of Kewl again... [kwil632057@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 11:27:11 +0100 (BST) From: Terence OConnor Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Party's Over Well I am one of those who complain. The inclusion of My Only Love, again and AGAIN!! However Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry (also Brian Eno and Phil Manzanera) have supplied some of the major movements that have been the soundtrack of my life. They/he will always be so special to me, but are not above constructive criticism. l have bought all of their product over the years, many things several times over, seen all the tours since Stranded was released, travelled many miles to see Ferry in wonderful venues and today I will head down to Kew Gardens to enjoy what I expect to be a great concert. So tomorrow I may take the time to give my view of the show on this forum. Not all of it will be flattering (MOL!! ), but I will have seen a musical hero of mine, who thankfully is not only making a fine living, but still giving most of the audience at the show what they want!! Which is probably MOL!! Also I might add, I'm not a parent, but what parent wouldn't give their children every chance in life to do something wonderful (like play drums in a band). How many failed musicians on this forum and 1000's of others like it must be green with envy. Off to Kew Best wishes Terry 'O' I see Avalon as a continuum of people with varying degrees of "fan"aticism about Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music. There are those who believe Ferry can do no wrong and defend him without exception (and at times with a fervour that puts religious fundamentalism into the shade) and others who are on the cusp of giving up on Ferry for whatever reason. I can't believe anyone has joined this list with the sole purpose of "dissing" Ferry and therefore those that are expressing "disrespect and derision" for Ferry perhaps have reason to. It's true nobody is perfect but that doesn't mean to say that the negatives should be ignored. It seems to me, that for some, an internal recalibration is going on similar to when you find a parent isn't quite as perfect as you once thought. For my part, Ferry has played a large and important part in my life for which I will be forever grateful. However recently, (say over the last eight years) I've been aghast at the "high handedness expressed towards fans and indeed "apparently" some of his colleagues alike. The turning point for me was the cancellation / non-cancellation of concerts at the last minute (promoters have said to me that they wouldn't want to work with Ferry again), and indeed I think the coordination of announcements of gigs with respect to fans could be so much better. I also think the "new Roxy" album and Olympia situation can at best be described as intriguing but seemed very strange to me. Having and expressing these thoughts doesn't I believe mean I should be ejected from Avalon as you suggest. Andrew www.andrewshearer.com Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > From: kbporter@verizon.net > To: avalon@smoe.org; set@cyclobe.com > Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Party's Over > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:51:28 -0400 > > Stephen - Please don't go! > > I've always enjoyed your posts, they are extremely coherent and have depth > of substance! You express thoughts very well via the written word. - And > that, is of the utmost importance since it is our means of communicating > on-list. The only reason I persist on Avalon IS because of contributors > such as you!!! > > I, too, find it depressing that there is so much 'second-guessing' and > 'expressions of derision' coupled with disrespect for Mr. Ferry. These > 'fans' are the ones who should leave the list. > > I'm aghast that so many posters seem to not consider WHERE BF IS > career-wise. He is past his zenith as a super-star from Roxy Music days. > That is not to say that he is washed-up. On the contrary, his music > catalog, from beginning to the present, remains the staple of my > music-listening enjoyment. For me, Bryan Ferry IS very relevant. Sure, > there are some things he has or hasn't done which I don't appreciate, but > the giant dwarf is in the latter part of his life-cycle. Why wouldn't a > fan, especially any aging fan who has slowly experienced their own > age-related decline, not understand that a person and their physical > attributes are always in flux, and, more so, the older they become: Growing > old isn't pretty, and the age-related aches and pains aren't mere nuisance. > (I guess the trick to 'dying while a superstar' is to live fast, die young.) > > I'm not cutting Mr. Ferry any slack, here. I am only saying any fan should > considered mitigating circumstances when passing judgment. For myself - I > haven't the ability to pen music and I remain thankful there are > individuals who are capable. Without doubt, way beyond those who can, Bryan > Ferry's talent is supernatural... I owe him dearly. > > Please don't go. KBP > > PS - To my BBFFFF - I have been remiss not to call. I haven't forgotten, > have just been on Planet Witch lately and therefore not too pleasant to > visit with. XOX > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon From: Andrew Shearer To: avalon avalon Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011, 8:07 Subject: RE: [AVALON] The Party's Over ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 14:31:49 -0400 From: "K B Porter" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Party's Over "Having and expressing these thoughts doesn't I believe mean I should be ejected from Avalon as you suggest." Andrew, I don't think you should be ejected from the list - your contributions are relevant, substantial, very welcomed and tempered input. I agree with you recent post , well said: "I see Avalon as a continuum of people with varying degrees of "fan"aticism... I can't believe anyone has joined this list with the sole purpose of "dissing" Ferry and therefore those that are expressing "disrespect and derision" for Ferry perhaps have reason to... It seems to me, that for some, an internal recalibration is going on similar to when you find a parent isn't quite as perfect as you once thought.". Yes, there is considerable internal recalibration occurring here, I went through it myself two, three years ago - it is disturbing and painful! We are all entitled to our opinions, but isn't the presentation of those opinions important? - I have no problem with anyone stating their position as long as they remain civil and are able and willing to substantiate their declarations. Thankfully, the majority of Avalonians don't one-off snipe with noticeable frequency. However, what valid reason can there be for anyone to express their disappointment and disapproval of another person's professional decisions with an accusatory tone that borders abhorrent conviction? That, the 'acting-out', the bitter presentation that underlies some posts is what I object to. When criticism oversteps civility, no longer is of a constructive nature, when it becomes arm-chair quarterbacking, what good does it serve? WE ALL complain, but how we express our complaint is important. Who hasn't heard, 'you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar' - or something such as that? I apologize to anyone who took offense with my response to Stephen Thrower. My intent was not to try and point-out any individuals. I responded as I did because I have known too many very-good to excellent contributors who have fallen quiet or entirely left the list because its nature had become too combative and irrational; what was an interesting list with contributors collaborating and deeply discussing RM/BF had become distasteful. Don't shoot the messenger... Happy Trails To You. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 20:00:12 -0400 (EDT) From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] King of Kewl again... What a difference a night makes. Tonight's show at Kew gardens tonight was far and away the best Bryan Ferry concert I've seen to date. He was clearly on form from the start, the band played their hearts out and we were even treated to a stunning version of Reason or Rhyme mid-set . It was the most playful I've ever seen him, as he fed off the crowds enthusiasm. Spellbinding would be my one word description. The only minuses were What Goes On being clipped at the end (Ferry clearly wanted the song to carry on, the band had other ideas) and the oddly abrupt climax at the end of the show (I guess I'm used to the slow For Your Pleasure send off). Great to see him not relying on the backing singers too much and singing the songs himself. Also, I love the on stage dynamic of the Amazonian sax symbol Jorja Chalmers coming to the front alongside Ferry for LST. It's a great and very cool look. Did anyone get pictures? Stunned, amazed and very happy, J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V15 #135 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest