From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V15 #1090 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, August 9 2016 Volume 15 : Number 1090 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] it's 2016 [Chris Turner ] RE: [AVALON] Meanwhile............. [Andrew Shearer ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 20:28:43 +0100 From: Chris Turner Subject: Re: [AVALON] it's 2016 Disingenuous as ever. You posted this: "no one sees your posts if you are using AOL or Yahoo--they are flagged as spam by 95% of the ISPs Avalon subscribers use." Just a few minutes after I had inadvertently posted from Yahoo, before I reposted from Gmail. Only you would have seen that. But if you're having fun, carry on. On 4 August 2016 at 20:02, Colleen Tucker wrote: > I honestly have no idea why you are melting down--I can't make the list > software fix AOL/yahoo posts so it's dumb to go after me for that--but if > you're having fun, that's good enough for me. carry on. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 4, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Chris Turner wrote: > > > > As I recall the first thing our list Gaulieter did after her Napoleonic > > self-coronation was to change the default reply for the group to go to > the > > sender rather than the list as it had previously. She said this was to > > reduce what she termed 'white noise' or what you and I would call > > discussion. Nothing did more to damage the continuity of conversations > than > > that arbitrary action and we have been in decline ever since. Bit like > that > > Bryan Ferry guy. > > > > Even as the nine of us left sit here in the smoking ruins of what once > was, > > with many unable to post or to receive posts consistently, The (Self) > > Chosen One still demands the we respect her worthless fiefdom. What is > the > > the sound of No Ears Listening? > > > > I wish I could change her default setting, y'all. > > > > Chris (who is happy to thank Smoe for their largesse for the second day > > running) > > > >> On 3 August 2016 at 23:54, Colleen Matan Tucker wrote: > >> > >> this is tomorrow calling: the reality is that people don't receive the > >> posts in their inboxes. what is the sound of one hand clapping? > >> > >> the folks at smoe.org have graciously hosted us, for free, for over 20 > >> years. things are not going to change on their end. > >> > >> while history is tellin' you the same old thing > >> this is tomorrow callin', let's stick a new oar in > >> > >> this is tomorrow callin', y'all 'n come on in > >> > >> Colleen > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Chris Turner" > >>> To: "Avalon" > >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 6:38:03 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [AVALON] it's 2016 > >>> > >>> Yahoo.com and AOL changed their DMARC policy in April 2014. Mail from > >>> those > >>> providers must now be validated as coming only from their mail > >>> servers. > >>> Sadly since March 28th this year this has also been true of all > >>> Yahoo's > >>> international domains like .co.uk and .nl. They would argue that they > >>> have > >>> done so to make their email more secure and less susceptible to > >>> spamming > >>> and spoofing, which is of course a good thing. I get just about no > >>> spam > >>> from Yahoo now. > >>> > >>> In most contexts it isn't an issue. Yahoo and AOL users can still > >>> mail > >>> anyone directly without a problem. It's only when the mail passes > >>> through a > >>> remailer (for want of a better term) like this list that alters the > >>> email > >>> header that a problem occurs. When an email from those sources > >>> arrives via > >>> smoe even if you are actually with AOL or Yahoo it will be > >>> rejected.because > >>> the origin of the mail doesn't match. Some think this is draconian. > >>> > >>> Colleen's 'It's 2016' jibe is unnecessarily snide. It isn't always > >>> everybody else's fault. After all, smoe and other mailing list > >>> providers > >>> have had 20 or more years to modernise the way they operate. They > >>> don't > >>> operate in isolation. Everything else on the Web has moved on. That > >>> said, I > >>> do have a great deal of sympathy with them. They are typically small > >>> operations who provide their services cheaply or for free and I for > >>> one am > >>> grateful for what they do. > >>> > >>> Elsewhere services like Facebook have rendered mailing lists if not > >>> redundant, then certainly antediluvian, although frankly I find them > >>> unreadable.. Last time I looked the main Fb group were posting > >>> pictures of > >>> The Commander with cats Photoshopped in. I mean, FFS... > >>> > >>> I now have half my list mail arriving in my Yahoo account (where I > >>> have all > >>> the list posts for the last 12 years archived) and the rest in my > >>> Gmail > >>> account. Reply from the yahoo address and it gets rejected. Reply > >>> without > >>> changing the recipient and the list doesn't hear your golden words. > >>> Seriously, it shouldn't be this hard. I suppose I could fanny around > >>> with > >>> my Gmail settings to receive Yahoo but who has the time or the > >>> patience? > >>> > >>> I guess we have to hope that other major operators like Google and > >>> Microsoft or ISPs like Virgin and BT don't also change their DMARC > >>> policies. They are all signed up to the protocol, but most don't > >>> impose it > >>> as stringently as AOL/Yahoo. Of course, now that AOL and Yahoo are to > >>> be > >>> merged I can hear the death knell sounding for them both anyway. > >>> > >>> The best approach is to use your own email domain: Then you set your > >>> own > >>> rules. > >>> > >>> http://blog.cakemail.com/yahoo-aol-email-reason-emails- > >> arent-hitting-inbox/ > >>> > >>> Of course, as with banks and spouses, no-one really wants the hassle > >>> of > >>> changing their email address. > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >>>> On 3 August 2016 at 20:11, Colleen Tucker wrote: > >>>> > >>>> no one sees your posts if you are using AOL or Yahoo--they are > >>>> flagged as > >>>> spam by 95% of the ISPs Avalon subscribers use. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ____________________________________________________________ > >> _______________ > >>>> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > >>> > >>> > >>> ____________________________________________________________ > >> _______________ > >>> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> _______________ > >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 14:47:53 +0000 From: Andrew Shearer Subject: RE: [AVALON] Meanwhile............. Thanks Terry. That's interesting to hear what Numan is doing. And actually you raise another niche selling point for BF.com and one that influenced me in buying the 2015 Live CD: limited stock, "Get it while you can" etc. Andrew > From: stranded22@btinternet.com > To: shearerandrew@hotmail.com > CC: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Meanwhile............. > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 15:16:35 +0100 > > Good points all, Andrew. > > Many artists are Re-Making & Re-Modelling their back catalogue and live > output. Gary Numan is currently selling CDs, Box sets, test pressing et all > in various forms of signed deals and packages to great effect on his own > store. Although a fan I have not gone down the line of purchasing, but many > of the items sell out quickly. So I believe Bryan Ferry should do the same. > I suspect the first thing to arrive will be the '74 solo show. I will be > hand over my credit card for that one! > > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Andrew Shearer > Sent: 05 August 2016 13:46 > To: avalon avalon > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Meanwhile............. > > The other thing I wonder is if the hoped for albums will just be on sale via > BF's website. I decided to treat myself to the Live 2015 CD the week before > last and I have to say that was a very positive experience. For someone who > didn't go to those concerts I'm surprised how much I've enjoyed listening to > the CDs as much as I have and, in addition, it's a nicely produced package. > > The advantages to BF et al of just selling through the website is that it > bypasses all the complicated money collection mechanisms that are normally > in play - no bar code or anything - it bypasses the "middlemen" record > companies too, who'd want to take their cut. > > For someone of BF's stature, he can do that - people will go to his website > to find his latest release rather than elsewhere. It makes sense in a way: > how many new fans will he pick up from being generally available across all > the stores? Better to reduce his costs and sell through the website perhaps? > Anyway, I could be totally wrong but it's just a thought. I will make just > one final point, which I thought recently - I think it's pretty dammed > impressive he's doing these concerts in the US and across Europe etc - i.e. > 2 nights in NY? There aren't many stars, particularly of his generation, > able to do that still I'd have thought? > > > > Andrew > > > > > From: shearerandrew@hotmail.com > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Meanwhile............. > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 11:49:50 +0000 > > > > Well I guess you could be right Tracy, particularly as he's busy > > touring at the moment, but commercially, I would've thought (as I > > suspect the products will be expensive) the time of release would be > around Christmas? > > > > From memory I thought Steve Wilson had completed the 5.1 mixes of the > > first album etc and there was some mixing of the BF Albert Hall gig > > circa Another Time, Another Place? But there are others here more in > > the know, as to > whether > > theyre allowed to say, is another matter :) > > > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > www.andrewshearer.com > > Twitter & Facebook: @shearermusic > > > > > > > From: tracyep@hotmail.com > > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Meanwhile............. > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 11:40:57 +0000 > > > > > > Sorry didn't finish that email.. > > > > > > Personally, I would release them next year as it will be the 45th > > anniversary > > > of the first album. > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 12:21:11 +0100 > > > > From: mark@olivetreepl.plus.com > > > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > > > Subject: [AVALON] Meanwhile............. > > > > > > > > Sorry to bring the conversation back to Roxy Music, but... > > > > > > > > It's now August: no signs or any press releases whatsoever > > > > regarding the first two albums ( and book....) that should have been > out in May. > > > > > > > > Is it a case of a summer break disturbing the production line ? > > > > > > > > In what has been a pretty bad year all round, I was hoping these > > > > releases would lift my spirits. > > > > > > > > Looks like there's fat chance of tha happening: perhaps someone in > > > > the know can give us an update? > > > > > > > > > > > > Mactheaxe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _____ > > > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _____ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe > > avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2016 09:41:04 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: [AVALON] Re: Thanks for all that Chris - I think there are a few more vintage songs on Avonmore. Sent from my iPhone > On 2 Aug 2016, at 23:04, Chris Turner wrote: > > Here is the track listing for the Avonmore Remix Album: > > 1. Loop De Li (Leo Zero Remix) > 2. Loop De Li (Ray Mang Remix) > 3. Midnight Train (Johnson Somerset Remix) > 4. Midnight Train (Man Power Remix) > 5. Midnight Train (Idjut Boys House Remix) > 6. Soldier of Fortune (Beard of Concern Stripped Remix) > 7. Driving Me Wild (Johnson Somerset Remix) > 8. Driving Me Wild (Leftside Wobble Dub Remix) > 9. Driving Me Wild (Justin Robertson's Deadstock 33s Remix) > 10. Driving Me Wild (Leo Zero Dub Remix) > 11. Driving Me Wild (Ray Mang Instrumental Dub Remix) > 12. Avonmore (Idjut Boys Remix) > 13. Avonmore (Prins Thomas Remix) > 14. Avonmore (Johnson Somerset Remix) > 15. Lost (Johnson Somerset Remix) > 16. One Night Stand (PBR Streetgang Remix) > 17. One Night Stand (Johnson Somerset Remix) > 18. Send in the Clowns (Hidden Orchestra Remix) > 19. Send in the Clowns (Leftside Wobble Remix) > 20. Johnny & Mary (Ulrich Schnauss Remix) > > I've listened to most of them now, and to their credit, they do generally > have more life than the original tracks. > > 14 of the 20 tracks were amongst the 20 remixes on the B#100 Avonmore > Special Edition. I know I wouldn't pay more than B#80 for that now. *rolls > eyes*. > > You may remember I listed the 65 different versions of songs spawned by > Olympia (including the 19 different versions of You/U Can Dance.The current > Avonmore toll is approaching 40, although unlike Olympia there hasn't been > an instrumental album...yet. > > Incidentally I found out recently that the song Avonmore itself is over 10 > years old. To support this, David Williams played on it, and he died over > seven years ago, having played with Ferry on tour in 2005. One Night Stand > must be of a similar vintage, and for the same reason. > > Chris > > . > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V15 #1090 ****************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest