From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V15 #103 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, May 31 2011 Volume 15 : Number 103 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Ferriari [chandla911@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferriari [kwil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] A video [Pasi Toivo ] Re: [AVALON] Ferriari [deaglerr@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] offensive twaat going viral ["K B Porter" ] [AVALON] Denmark recording [Simon Galloway ] RE: [AVALON] Denmark recording [Andrew Shearer To: avalon Sent: Mon, 30 May 2011 11:38 Subject: [AVALON] Ferriari This is NOT, I repeat NOT, a Ferry bashing comment intended to provoke, BUT... I don't believe that Bryan Ferry has that great an interest or knowledge of politics. Pure and simple. It's not his bag, But it defies belief how many times he has felt able to turn a blind eye to political issues each time he's become embroiled. He's thought nothing of playing in support of Pro-Hunt Countryside Alliance, he's stood by his son when he broke into the House of Commons and threw [chalk-dust?] just as David Gilmour stood by his yobbo son who was "blithely unaware" of the memorial to the war dead despite being a history student, he's lionised Nazi art and now he's crossed the continent twice in 2 days to appear at a rally for unspeakable politicians in Italy when he's touring post-heart trouble at 65 in Scandinavia. Even if Bryan Ferry were a thoroughly dense and ill-educated man (which he decidedly is not), surely he would have the nous to employ the services of people with enough common sense to steer him clear of such farcical errors of judgment? Either he wants to wear his politics on his sleeve a la Bono/Geldof/etc or he wants to live a life away from politics altogether. But what he cannot reasonably hope to do with any credibility left intact is to commit to bloodsports, praise Nazi style and traipse across continents to play at political rallies and then claim to be oblivious. It defies belief. Richard Mills _________________________________________________________________________ __ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 20:25:45 +0300 From: Pasi Toivo Subject: [AVALON] A video Hi, dont know if this was here, but.... http://chanel-news.chanel.com/en/show-insider/bryan-ferry-private-concert/ Pasi ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 13:34:06 -0400 (EDT) From: deaglerr@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferriari praise Nazi style Please dear Avlonians, Untwist thy knickers. The fox hunt thang seems a natural fit for Ferry's country gentleman aspirations.(unfortunately) The Berlusconi thang... probably met 'em at a party, and, well, Euros are Euros, and a free trip to Milan. While BF's politics APPEAR entirely different from mine, it is possible for me to separate the art from the politics. Indeed that is what I think was the case in BF's "praise of Nazi style" It is possible to like any of the Louis style and not be a royalist, or Empire style without being sad that Napoleon is not around anymore... I've been thinking about Herr Ferry. I'm about 1/3 of the way thru "The Authority of Everyday Objects, A Cultural History of West German Design", which traces industrial design from the Werkbund (teens) to the Cold War 60s. (No Jackie Collins on MY vacation.) Paul Betts refers repeatedly to the Nazi aestheticization of politics, and the Reich as being the first mass media political state. (I.E. Cheap Volkempfanger radios to link the people under the new state) Except in the early days with their "blood and soil" kitsch, (Gleisenkirchner-Barok) the Nazis adopted Neue Sachlickeit (Bauhaus, industrial, mass produced) design as a chrome plated symbol of the new modern Reich. (after having previously denounced similar products as Jewish and Bolshevik) The post war ascendancy of Bauhaus as THE model was really a re-branding, or re-re-branding, of the same stuff, AFTER wiping the Nazi connection. You might consider Wilhelm Wagenfeld for example, who taught at the Bauhaus, worked (with praise) during the Reich, and is still considered one of THE Post War German designers. There is reputedly a big cache of Nazi art at a military base in Arizona that I think should have been sent back to Germany years ago. Great art? Probably not. Cultural artifacts of importance? Yes. You can't learn from a past that has been cleaned up & made NICE, unless you want a Care Bears world. Ferry is not the only entertainer to note the similarity between rock gig and party rally. Somewhere on line you can no doubt find a photo or video of the Manifesto tour stage set. (Sort of Dr. Calarari goes to Nurnberg) Compare that to the Queen "Radio Gaga" video. Both borrow from Leni Riefenstal's Triumph des Willnes. Ferry a Fascist? NAH Naive or bumbling? Likely. Out of "breath" on a borrowed computer from my Heim away from Heim. Regards, R.Deagle - -----Original Message----- From: chandla911 To: avalon Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 6:38 am Subject: [AVALON] Ferriari This is NOT, I repeat NOT, a Ferry bashing comment intended to provoke, UT... I don't believe that Bryan Ferry has that great an interest or knowledge of olitics. Pure and simple. It's not his bag, But it defies belief how many times he has felt able to turn a blind eye to olitical issues each time he's become embroiled. He's thought nothing of playing in support of Pro-Hunt Countryside Alliance, e's stood by his son when he broke into the House of Commons and threw chalk-dust?] just as David Gilmour stood by his yobbo son who was "blithely naware" of the memorial to the war dead despite being a history student, he's ionised Nazi art and now he's crossed the continent twice in 2 days to appear t a rally for unspeakable politicians in Italy when he's touring post-heart rouble at 65 in Scandinavia. Even if Bryan Ferry were a thoroughly dense and ill-educated man (which he ecidedly is not), surely he would have the nous to employ the services of eople with enough common sense to steer him clear of such farcical errors of udgment? Either he wants to wear his politics on his sleeve a la Bono/Geldof/etc or he ants to live a life away from politics altogether. But what he cannot easonably hope to do with any credibility left intact is to commit to loodsports, praise Nazi style and traipse across continents to play at olitical rallies and then claim to be oblivious. It defies belief. Richard Mills __________________________________________________________________________ o unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 13:58:53 -0400 From: "K B Porter" Subject: Re: [AVALON] offensive twaat going viral Yah. Berlusconi has questionable morals. But who doesn't fail, at least once, in that department. Big deal, Ferry isn't paying attention to such things: Scrutiny, under a microscope, is the bane of existence for public figures given our wanna-be perfect politically correct modern society. Compounding this problem are journalistic agendas, erroneous reporting, salacious speculation and ignorant ranting... The pendulum has swung too far. Should we prod the toad or let it live. Is there no room for tolerance without understanding? What has ever happened to giving one 'the benefit of doubt' when only partial facts or half truths serve as the basis for condemnation? Nobody's perfect!!! Yes, Ferry might benefit from a bit of 'common sense', I presume his creative temperament may have precluded its development. Yes, it might look bad for him to be associated, in the words of some biased tweet, with "Berlusconi's bigots racists & proto-Fascists", but is it any worse than former US President Bill Clinton, cigars and Monica Lewinski in the White House? The Guy only performed; that is his bread and butter. Has he been so bad that he deserves condemnation from a dude with an inflammatory agenda who knows how to type a tweet? I don't think so. Sunny Skies... KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 21:26:54 +0200 From: Han Snijders Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferriari Talking about borrowing from Riefenstal, I saw a book a few weeks ago with Riefenstal's pictures of the olympic games called "olympia", some of the picture where a kind of flesh and blood covers. Nice pictures! Han 2011/5/30, deaglerr@aol.com : > praise Nazi style > > Please dear Avlonians, Untwist thy knickers. > > The fox hunt thang seems a natural fit for Ferry's country gentleman > aspirations.(unfortunately) > The Berlusconi thang... probably met 'em at a party, and, well, Euros are > Euros, and a free trip to Milan. > > While BF's politics APPEAR entirely different from mine, it is possible for > me > to separate the art from the politics. > Indeed that is what I think was the case in BF's "praise of Nazi style" > It is possible to like any of the Louis style and not be a royalist, or > Empire style without being sad that Napoleon is not around anymore... > > I've been thinking about Herr Ferry. > I'm about 1/3 of the way thru "The Authority of Everyday Objects, A Cultural > History of West German Design", which traces industrial design from the > Werkbund (teens) to the Cold War 60s. (No Jackie Collins on MY vacation.) > Paul Betts refers repeatedly to the Nazi aestheticization of politics, and > the > Reich as being the first mass media political state. (I.E. Cheap > Volkempfanger > radios to link the people under the new state) > Except in the early days with their "blood and soil" kitsch, > (Gleisenkirchner-Barok) the Nazis adopted Neue Sachlickeit (Bauhaus, > industrial, mass produced) design as a chrome plated symbol of the new > modern > Reich. (after having previously denounced similar products as Jewish and > Bolshevik) > The post war ascendancy of Bauhaus as THE model was really a re-branding, or > re-re-branding, of the same stuff, AFTER wiping the Nazi connection. > You might consider Wilhelm Wagenfeld for example, who taught at the Bauhaus, > worked (with praise) during the Reich, and is still considered one of THE > Post > War German designers. > > There is reputedly a big cache of Nazi art at a military base in Arizona > that > I think should have been sent back to Germany years ago. Great art? Probably > not. Cultural artifacts of importance? Yes. > You can't learn from a past that has been cleaned up & made NICE, unless you > want a Care Bears world. > > Ferry is not the only entertainer to note the similarity between rock gig > and > party rally. Somewhere on line you can no doubt find a photo or video of the > Manifesto tour stage set. (Sort of Dr. Calarari goes to Nurnberg) Compare > that to the Queen "Radio Gaga" video. Both borrow from Leni Riefenstal's > Triumph des Willnes. > > Ferry a Fascist? > NAH > Naive or bumbling? > Likely. > > > Out of "breath" on a borrowed computer from my Heim away from Heim. > Regards, R.Deagle > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: chandla911 > To: avalon > Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 6:38 am > Subject: [AVALON] Ferriari > > > This is NOT, I repeat NOT, a Ferry bashing comment intended to provoke, > UT... > I don't believe that Bryan Ferry has that great an interest or knowledge of > olitics. Pure and simple. It's not his bag, > But it defies belief how many times he has felt able to turn a blind eye to > olitical issues each time he's become embroiled. > He's thought nothing of playing in support of Pro-Hunt Countryside Alliance, > e's stood by his son when he broke into the House of Commons and threw > chalk-dust?] just as David Gilmour stood by his yobbo son who was "blithely > naware" of the memorial to the war dead despite being a history student, > he's > ionised Nazi art and now he's crossed the continent twice in 2 days to > appear > t a rally for unspeakable politicians in Italy when he's touring post-heart > rouble at 65 in Scandinavia. > Even if Bryan Ferry were a thoroughly dense and ill-educated man (which he > ecidedly is not), surely he would have the nous to employ the services of > eople with enough common sense to steer him clear of such farcical errors of > udgment? > Either he wants to wear his politics on his sleeve a la Bono/Geldof/etc or > he > ants to live a life away from politics altogether. But what he cannot > easonably hope to do with any credibility left intact is to commit to > loodsports, praise Nazi style and traipse across continents to play at > olitical rallies and then claim to be oblivious. It defies belief. > Richard Mills > > __________________________________________________________________________ > o unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 21:15:54 +0100 From: Simon Galloway Subject: [AVALON] Denmark recording I've just grabbed an audience recording of the Denmark show from May 21st via dimeadozen. The sound is a little hollow, but it's clear enough and quite listenable (with a bit of tweaking on the bass and treble). The over-reliance on the backing singers is still a feature, and the some of the songs seem to be way too fast. Is this so Bry can get off the stage quicker?! Simon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 07:23:25 +0000 From: Andrew Shearer Subject: RE: [AVALON] Denmark recording Simon wrote: "Is this so Bry can get off the stage quicker?!" well allegedly he's got to get off stage and get down to Sepp Blatter's Fifa inauguration pretty sharpish (:-) Andrew (www.andrewshearer.com) > Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 21:15:54 +0100 > Subject: [AVALON] Denmark recording > From: simongmusic@gmail.com > To: avalon@smoe.org > > I've just grabbed an audience recording of the Denmark show from May > 21st via dimeadozen. The sound is a little hollow, but it's clear > enough and quite listenable (with a bit of tweaking on the bass and > treble). The over-reliance on the backing singers is still a feature, > and the some of the songs seem to be way too fast. Is this so Bry can > get off the stage quicker?! > > Simon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V15 #103 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest