From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V15 #42 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, February 15 2011 Volume 15 : Number 042 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? [Richard Evans ] [AVALON] Very Good NME review [Richard Evans ] Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? [Martin ] Re: [AVALON] Very Good NME review [Richard Evans ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:16:06 +0000 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? > By not putting out a new Roxy album he's arguably withholding (another) pay-packet for the old band but surely it's within his gift to say that it isn't good enough for the brand. Judging from the Uncut interview, the others weren't that impressed by what BF had to offer either. Olympia - a masterpiece - oh well...............................as it seems to be the worst selling Ferry album ever, the majority no doubt agree with that statement. In terms of making the right or wrong career choices one only has to look at the hard facts to see whether Messers Mackay, Manzanera, and Thompson bring anything to the table - also interesting to note that Ferry's best performing albums have come off the back of Roxy albums/tours apart from Taxi which I have to say is one of my faves and Olympia was largely sold on the basis that it was a 'Roxy Reunion' Roxy Music - Gold - Highest chart placing 10 FYP - Gold - 4 Stranded - Gold - 1 Country Life - Gold - 3 Siren - Gold - 4 Manifesto - Gold - 7 F&B - Platinum - 1 Avalon - Platinum - 1 Foolish Things - Gold - 5 Another Time - Gold - 4 In Your Mind - Gold - 5 Bride - Silver -13 Boys & Girls - Platinum - 1 Bete Noir - Gold - 9 Taxi - Gold - 2 Mamouna - ? - 11 ATGB - Gold - 19 Frantic - Silver - 6 Dylanesque - Silver - 5 Olympia - ? - 19 Just enjoying The Explorers Live at the Palace Cheers R On 13 Feb 2011, at 10:24, Martin wrote: > Where to begin? > > As ever on this peculiar forum everything is Bryan's fault. The song choices, the cost, the perceived disdain for his "co-workers", the venues, ... Having the audacity to work solo for 30 years ... > The world of Roxy took place between 1972 and 1975, although some might narrow that to 72-73. And even that era was over 50% down to BF. > That Bryan still tours with the old gang is a blessing for the musicians of the early era. > Bryan has been, for 30 years, a solo artist. I hear the list talking about the Roxy "soup" - the particular melange of sax, sonic guitar, synth and leaden drums. I kinda get it, and of course I love Beauty Queen et al, but for me the Ferry vibe - the langour, the melodies, the doubt, - are the canvas and the picture of all the work. Roxy and solo. > By not putting out a new Roxy album he's arguably withholding (another) pay-packet for the old band but surely it's within his gift to say that it isn't good enough for the brand. > Finally I remain convinced that Olympia is a masterpiece - with marble flaws / floors - although I'm sad that much focus has been on the less interesting uptempo songs. > > Okay - everyone back to your Explorers utopia and belly-aching that "Your Applications Failed" was taken off the setlist by the venal lead singer. > Pip pip > Tino > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 11 Feb 2011, at 15:05, Tracy Connell wrote: > >> For some reason I haven't really taken to Olympia yet. I'm hoping it will grow >> on me. >> >> When you watch the Making of Olympia video Bryan seems so pleased with the >> outcome and thinks he's nailed it, so to speak. I'm yet to be on the same >> wavelength on that. He's spent a lot of time and used a lot of musicians on >> it. I fear it's a little overworked. >> >> Each song on Olympia sounds very much the same and I find myself trying to >> work out which song is playing sometimes. >> >> In contrast I loved every track of Frantic the first time I played it. >> >> I shall persevere with it in the hope that the lightbulb pops up in time for a >> solo Olympia tour. >> >> I don't mind the album cover - but would always prefer one with a pic of Ferry >> instead. >> >> As for the Roxy Tour - LOVED IT! >> >> That's my 2c worth anyway >> >> >>> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:33:19 +0700 >>> From: info@tralik.com >>> To: avalon@smoe.org >>> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? >>> >>> Somehow to me, Ferry has lost >>>> some of his style, coolness and even some dignity. He seems to have >> fallen >>>> from the Gods (dare I say Olympia) and become human again. I'm even >> actually >>>> not excited enough to feel I want to attend the forthcoming Olympia tour >>>> either. Something else I didn't think I'd ever say. >>> >>> Wow, exactly my thoughts. Olympia is so dull and almost tacky in some >>> respects (the awful album cover). >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:17:13 +0000 From: Richard Evans Subject: [AVALON] Very Good NME review The latest NME has a very good review of the Glasgow gig extolling the virtues of PM, AM and TGPT as well as the setlist Can't find a link buts it's in print in black and white Cheers Richard Evans ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:06:17 +0000 From: Martin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? Are these UK hit parades Richard? I imagine so. I'm not sure of the relevance of your comments. The Stones, a truly global business, make lots of money touring but rarely if ever trouble the charts these days. Yes I think Olympia is brilliant but of course I never imagined a record buying public force-fed Cowell puke to appreciate the soundscapes and style of this album. Even Bryan recognises that if you're not featured in Tesco no amount of broadsheet reviews will make you shift product. So what? The epicentre of commercial Roxy / BF success was Avalon / B&G yet the critical acclaim occurred 10 years prior. Does anyone here really imagine that a new RM album would achieve commercial success? It could be wonderful, truly, yet I doubt Gary Barlow or WillIAm (sp?!) would lose any sleep. Unlike many here I do believe it will surface. Ferry likes to confound. Or walk in one day with a killer lyric or melody to make an album make sense. On the subject of money I wonder if anyone else was aghast to read that Graham Simpson still survives off the royalties from the first RM album. How many lives does La Ferrari actually support if that's the case!!!! Oh and Andrew, apologies for perceived condescension. When Avalonions start suggesting that BF should stay behind his piano upstage left I reach for the nuke button Sent from my iPhone On 14 Feb 2011, at 14:16, Richard Evans wrote: >> By not putting out a new Roxy album he's arguably withholding (another) pay-packet for the old band but surely it's within his gift to say that it isn't good enough for the brand. > > Judging from the Uncut interview, the others weren't that impressed by what BF had to offer either. > > Olympia - a masterpiece - oh well...............................as it seems to be the worst selling Ferry album ever, the majority no doubt agree with that statement. > > In terms of making the right or wrong career choices one only has to look at the hard facts to see whether Messers Mackay, Manzanera, and Thompson bring anything to the table - also interesting to note that Ferry's best performing albums have come off the back of Roxy albums/tours apart from Taxi which I have to say is one of my faves and Olympia was largely sold on the basis that it was a 'Roxy Reunion' > > Roxy Music - Gold - Highest chart placing 10 > FYP - Gold - 4 > Stranded - Gold - 1 > Country Life - Gold - 3 > Siren - Gold - 4 > Manifesto - Gold - 7 > F&B - Platinum - 1 > Avalon - Platinum - 1 > > > Foolish Things - Gold - 5 > Another Time - Gold - 4 > In Your Mind - Gold - 5 > Bride - Silver -13 > Boys & Girls - Platinum - 1 > Bete Noir - Gold - 9 > Taxi - Gold - 2 > Mamouna - ? - 11 > ATGB - Gold - 19 > Frantic - Silver - 6 > Dylanesque - Silver - 5 > Olympia - ? - 19 > > Just enjoying The Explorers Live at the Palace > > Cheers > > R > > > On 13 Feb 2011, at 10:24, Martin wrote: > >> Where to begin? >> >> As ever on this peculiar forum everything is Bryan's fault. The song choices, the cost, the perceived disdain for his "co-workers", the venues, ... Having the audacity to work solo for 30 years ... >> The world of Roxy took place between 1972 and 1975, although some might narrow that to 72-73. And even that era was over 50% down to BF. >> That Bryan still tours with the old gang is a blessing for the musicians of the early era. >> Bryan has been, for 30 years, a solo artist. I hear the list talking about the Roxy "soup" - the particular melange of sax, sonic guitar, synth and leaden drums. I kinda get it, and of course I love Beauty Queen et al, but for me the Ferry vibe - the langour, the melodies, the doubt, - are the canvas and the picture of all the work. Roxy and solo. >> By not putting out a new Roxy album he's arguably withholding (another) pay-packet for the old band but surely it's within his gift to say that it isn't good enough for the brand. >> Finally I remain convinced that Olympia is a masterpiece - with marble flaws / floors - although I'm sad that much focus has been on the less interesting uptempo songs. >> >> Okay - everyone back to your Explorers utopia and belly-aching that "Your Applications Failed" was taken off the setlist by the venal lead singer. >> Pip pip >> Tino >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 11 Feb 2011, at 15:05, Tracy Connell wrote: >> >>> For some reason I haven't really taken to Olympia yet. I'm hoping it will grow >>> on me. >>> >>> When you watch the Making of Olympia video Bryan seems so pleased with the >>> outcome and thinks he's nailed it, so to speak. I'm yet to be on the same >>> wavelength on that. He's spent a lot of time and used a lot of musicians on >>> it. I fear it's a little overworked. >>> >>> Each song on Olympia sounds very much the same and I find myself trying to >>> work out which song is playing sometimes. >>> >>> In contrast I loved every track of Frantic the first time I played it. >>> >>> I shall persevere with it in the hope that the lightbulb pops up in time for a >>> solo Olympia tour. >>> >>> I don't mind the album cover - but would always prefer one with a pic of Ferry >>> instead. >>> >>> As for the Roxy Tour - LOVED IT! >>> >>> That's my 2c worth anyway >>> >>> >>>> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:33:19 +0700 >>>> From: info@tralik.com >>>> To: avalon@smoe.org >>>> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? >>>> >>>> Somehow to me, Ferry has lost >>>>> some of his style, coolness and even some dignity. He seems to have >>> fallen >>>>> from the Gods (dare I say Olympia) and become human again. I'm even >>> actually >>>>> not excited enough to feel I want to attend the forthcoming Olympia tour >>>>> either. Something else I didn't think I'd ever say. >>>> >>>> Wow, exactly my thoughts. Olympia is so dull and almost tacky in some >>>> respects (the awful album cover). >>>> >>>> >>>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:21:03 +0000 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Very Good NME review They seemed to think he was diffident or distant and spent a lot of time behind a curtain R On 14 Feb 2011, at 17:07, Martin wrote: > Did Bryan turn up? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 14 Feb 2011, at 16:17, Richard Evans wrote: > >> The latest NME has a very good review of the Glasgow gig extolling the virtues of PM, AM and TGPT as well as the setlist >> >> Can't find a link buts it's in print in black and white >> >> Cheers >> >> Richard Evans >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V15 #42 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest