From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V15 #41 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, February 14 2011 Volume 15 : Number 041 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? [Martin ] RE: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? ["Dick Verseput" ] Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? [kwil632057@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Street Life and other trivia ["Colette Robertson" ] RE: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? [Andrew Shearer Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? Where to begin? As ever on this peculiar forum everything is Bryan's fault. The song choices, the cost, the perceived disdain for his "co-workers", the venues, ... Having the audacity to work solo for 30 years ... The world of Roxy took place between 1972 and 1975, although some might narrow that to 72-73. And even that era was over 50% down to BF. That Bryan still tours with the old gang is a blessing for the musicians of the early era. Bryan has been, for 30 years, a solo artist. I hear the list talking about the Roxy "soup" - the particular melange of sax, sonic guitar, synth and leaden drums. I kinda get it, and of course I love Beauty Queen et al, but for me the Ferry vibe - the langour, the melodies, the doubt, - are the canvas and the picture of all the work. Roxy and solo. By not putting out a new Roxy album he's arguably withholding (another) pay-packet for the old band but surely it's within his gift to say that it isn't good enough for the brand. Finally I remain convinced that Olympia is a masterpiece - with marble flaws / floors - although I'm sad that much focus has been on the less interesting uptempo songs. Okay - everyone back to your Explorers utopia and belly-aching that "Your Applications Failed" was taken off the setlist by the venal lead singer. Pip pip Tino Sent from my iPhone On 11 Feb 2011, at 15:05, Tracy Connell wrote: > For some reason I haven't really taken to Olympia yet. I'm hoping it will grow > on me. > > When you watch the Making of Olympia video Bryan seems so pleased with the > outcome and thinks he's nailed it, so to speak. I'm yet to be on the same > wavelength on that. He's spent a lot of time and used a lot of musicians on > it. I fear it's a little overworked. > > Each song on Olympia sounds very much the same and I find myself trying to > work out which song is playing sometimes. > > In contrast I loved every track of Frantic the first time I played it. > > I shall persevere with it in the hope that the lightbulb pops up in time for a > solo Olympia tour. > > I don't mind the album cover - but would always prefer one with a pic of Ferry > instead. > > As for the Roxy Tour - LOVED IT! > > That's my 2c worth anyway > > >> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:33:19 +0700 >> From: info@tralik.com >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? >> >> Somehow to me, Ferry has lost >>> some of his style, coolness and even some dignity. He seems to have > fallen >>> from the Gods (dare I say Olympia) and become human again. I'm even > actually >>> not excited enough to feel I want to attend the forthcoming Olympia tour >>> either. Something else I didn't think I'd ever say. >> >> Wow, exactly my thoughts. Olympia is so dull and almost tacky in some >> respects (the awful album cover). >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:04:19 +0100 From: "Dick Verseput" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? A Masterpiece! I always felt that you must see the latest Roxy tours as moneymaker! Worth every penny, especially when you see the latest set list, please please please come to Holland and I spent my penny's again!! I think that making a Roxy albums only cost money instead of making money, perhaps that's why there will not be a new Roxy album anymore. For Olympia I love it ( not all ) Reason or Rhyme is outstanding Dick - -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] Namens Martin Verzonden: zondag 13 februari 2011 11:25 Aan: Tracy Connell CC: Onderwerp: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? Where to begin? As ever on this peculiar forum everything is Bryan's fault. The song choices, the cost, the perceived disdain for his "co-workers", the venues, ... Having the audacity to work solo for 30 years ... The world of Roxy took place between 1972 and 1975, although some might narrow that to 72-73. And even that era was over 50% down to BF. That Bryan still tours with the old gang is a blessing for the musicians of the early era. Bryan has been, for 30 years, a solo artist. I hear the list talking about the Roxy "soup" - the particular melange of sax, sonic guitar, synth and leaden drums. I kinda get it, and of course I love Beauty Queen et al, but for me the Ferry vibe - the langour, the melodies, the doubt, - are the canvas and the picture of all the work. Roxy and solo. By not putting out a new Roxy album he's arguably withholding (another) pay-packet for the old band but surely it's within his gift to say that it isn't good enough for the brand. Finally I remain convinced that Olympia is a masterpiece - with marble flaws / floors - although I'm sad that much focus has been on the less interesting uptempo songs. Okay - everyone back to your Explorers utopia and belly-aching that "Your Applications Failed" was taken off the setlist by the venal lead singer. Pip pip Tino Sent from my iPhone On 11 Feb 2011, at 15:05, Tracy Connell wrote: > For some reason I haven't really taken to Olympia yet. I'm hoping it > will grow on me. > > When you watch the Making of Olympia video Bryan seems so pleased with > the outcome and thinks he's nailed it, so to speak. I'm yet to be on > the same wavelength on that. He's spent a lot of time and used a lot > of musicians on it. I fear it's a little overworked. > > Each song on Olympia sounds very much the same and I find myself > trying to work out which song is playing sometimes. > > In contrast I loved every track of Frantic the first time I played it. > > I shall persevere with it in the hope that the lightbulb pops up in > time for a solo Olympia tour. > > I don't mind the album cover - but would always prefer one with a pic > of Ferry instead. > > As for the Roxy Tour - LOVED IT! > > That's my 2c worth anyway > > >> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:33:19 +0700 >> From: info@tralik.com >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? >> >> Somehow to me, Ferry has lost >>> some of his style, coolness and even some dignity. He seems to have > fallen >>> from the Gods (dare I say Olympia) and become human again. I'm even > actually >>> not excited enough to feel I want to attend the forthcoming Olympia >>> tour either. Something else I didn't think I'd ever say. >> >> Wow, exactly my thoughts. Olympia is so dull and almost tacky in some >> respects (the awful album cover). >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> ______ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe >> avalon > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _____ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe > avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 06:28:44 -0500 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? Indeed Martin. But is it not fair to say that Roxy were groundbreaking, Ferry as a solo artist considerably less so? Listen to Olympia and tell me who, with it's impressive list of session musicians, did what. Listen to a Roxy album - any Roxy album - and you can identify exactly what each member brought to the mix. Nobody is doubting it's Ferry's show, but it's very important for any artist to have people to challenge their ideas from time to time. J - -----Original Message----- From: Martin To: Tracy Connell CC: Sent: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:24 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? Where to begin? As ever on this peculiar forum everything is Bryan's fault. The song choices, he cost, the perceived disdain for his "co-workers", the venues, ... Having the udacity to work solo for 30 years ... he world of Roxy took place between 1972 and 1975, although some might narrow hat to 72-73. And even that era was over 50% down to BF. hat Bryan still tours with the old gang is a blessing for the musicians of the arly era. ryan has been, for 30 years, a solo artist. I hear the list talking about the oxy "soup" - the particular melange of sax, sonic guitar, synth and leaden rums. I kinda get it, and of course I love Beauty Queen et al, but for me the erry vibe - the langour, the melodies, the doubt, - are the canvas and the icture of all the work. Roxy and solo. y not putting out a new Roxy album he's arguably withholding (another) ay-packet for the old band but surely it's within his gift to say that it isn't ood enough for the brand. inally I remain convinced that Olympia is a masterpiece - with marble flaws / loors - although I'm sad that much focus has been on the less interesting ptempo songs. Okay - everyone back to your Explorers utopia and belly-aching that "Your pplications Failed" was taken off the setlist by the venal lead singer. ip pip ino Sent from my iPhone On 11 Feb 2011, at 15:05, Tracy Connell wrote: > For some reason I haven't really taken to Olympia yet. I'm hoping it will grow on me. When you watch the Making of Olympia video Bryan seems so pleased with the outcome and thinks he's nailed it, so to speak. I'm yet to be on the same wavelength on that. He's spent a lot of time and used a lot of musicians on it. I fear it's a little overworked. Each song on Olympia sounds very much the same and I find myself trying to work out which song is playing sometimes. In contrast I loved every track of Frantic the first time I played it. I shall persevere with it in the hope that the lightbulb pops up in time for a solo Olympia tour. I don't mind the album cover - but would always prefer one with a pic of Ferry instead. As for the Roxy Tour - LOVED IT! That's my 2c worth anyway > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:33:19 +0700 > From: info@tralik.com > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? > > Somehow to me, Ferry has lost >> some of his style, coolness and even some dignity. He seems to have fallen >> from the Gods (dare I say Olympia) and become human again. I'm even actually >> not excited enough to feel I want to attend the forthcoming Olympia tour >> either. Something else I didn't think I'd ever say. > > Wow, exactly my thoughts. Olympia is so dull and almost tacky in some > respects (the awful album cover). > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon __________________________________________________________________________ o unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:49:06 -0000 From: "Colette Robertson" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Street Life and other trivia "That is something that has puzzled me for some time. I couldn't understand why the lyrics were omitted on previous tours (they're in this time though!). I did wonder whether BF was worried about offending people who went to Harvard and Yale and then I thought maybe it was a way of reducing the time of this song to get it into the set (however, it only saves about 10 seconds!)" I seem to recall some lyrics first being dropped after the 9/11 attacks so it may well have been about not wanting to offend. Cheers, Colette - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Mark Longhorn Sent: 08 February 2011 20:00 To: Avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Street Life and other trivia Re your first question: That is something that has puzzled me for some time. I couldn't understand why the lyrics were omitted on previous tours (they're in this time though!). I did wonder whether BF was worried about offending people who went to Harvard and Yale and then I thought maybe it was a way of reducing the time of this song to get it into the set (however, it only saves about 10 seconds!) I'm now firmly of the opinion that Mr Ferry simply forgot the lyrics and jumped to the end too quickly. Incidentally, having just listened to the Birmingham recording of 'Pyjamarama', I notice that he changed the lyric (probably unintentionally again- probably just forgot) to: 'Why should I apologise' from 'How could I apologise'. This changes the meaning quite considerably and I'm sure it was completely unintentional. Sorry for the scrutiny, but I love the song so much that I noticed the difference. Mactheaxe ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:52:12 -0800 (PST) From: Victor Hastings Subject: Re: [AVALON] Street Life and other trivia Remember the Youtube clip that Ferry's son posted and quickly removed, featuring Marcus Miller in studio? I finally listened closely to "BF Bass" and sure enough, around the 3:30 mark, I recognized Miller's bass riffs, just as on the video. The mix on this song is terrible; Miller is barely audible. Same for the backdrop, very prominent on the video, that I believe is Manzanera's cascading guitar. So why isn't he song called "MM Bass"? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:24:01 +0000 From: Martin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? Yes J, Roxy were utterly groundbreaking. I was there in 73. Loved the fabulous creation. Definitely thought Ferry was merely the 3rd most interesting stage presence at the outset. But sanity prevailed. Loved These Foolish Things as much, if not more, than RM and FYP. Still do. Can 60 year olds be groundbreaking? Tough. But Reason Or Rhyme is pretty special at any stage of life. Grow up dearest Avalonia. Roxy is Ferrry as Wham is George Michael. Although Andy Newmark is certainly bettr than Andrew Ridgley. Viva Roxy M Sent from my iPhone On 13 Feb 2011, at 11:28, kwil632057@aol.com wrote: > Indeed Martin. But is it not fair to say that Roxy were groundbreaking, Ferry > as a solo artist considerably less so? > Listen to Olympia and tell me who, with it's impressive list of session > musicians, did what. Listen to a Roxy album - any Roxy album - and you can > identify exactly what each member brought to the mix. > Nobody is doubting it's Ferry's show, but it's very important for any artist > to have people to challenge their ideas from time to time. > > J > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin > To: Tracy Connell > CC: > Sent: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:24 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? > > > Where to begin? > As ever on this peculiar forum everything is Bryan's fault. The song choices, > he cost, the perceived disdain for his "co-workers", the venues, ... Having > the > udacity to work solo for 30 years ... > he world of Roxy took place between 1972 and 1975, although some might narrow > hat to 72-73. And even that era was over 50% down to BF. > hat Bryan still tours with the old gang is a blessing for the musicians of the > arly era. > ryan has been, for 30 years, a solo artist. I hear the list talking about the > oxy "soup" - the particular melange of sax, sonic guitar, synth and leaden > rums. I kinda get it, and of course I love Beauty Queen et al, but for me the > erry vibe - the langour, the melodies, the doubt, - are the canvas and the > icture of all the work. Roxy and solo. > y not putting out a new Roxy album he's arguably withholding (another) > ay-packet for the old band but surely it's within his gift to say that it > isn't > ood enough for the brand. > inally I remain convinced that Olympia is a masterpiece - with marble flaws / > loors - although I'm sad that much focus has been on the less interesting > ptempo songs. > Okay - everyone back to your Explorers utopia and belly-aching that "Your > pplications Failed" was taken off the setlist by the venal lead singer. > ip pip > ino > Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Feb 2011, at 15:05, Tracy Connell wrote: >> For some reason I haven't really taken to Olympia yet. I'm hoping it will > grow > on me. > > When you watch the Making of Olympia video Bryan seems so pleased with the > outcome and thinks he's nailed it, so to speak. I'm yet to be on the same > wavelength on that. He's spent a lot of time and used a lot of musicians on > it. I fear it's a little overworked. > > Each song on Olympia sounds very much the same and I find myself trying to > work out which song is playing sometimes. > > In contrast I loved every track of Frantic the first time I played it. > > I shall persevere with it in the hope that the lightbulb pops up in time for > a > solo Olympia tour. > > I don't mind the album cover - but would always prefer one with a pic of > Ferry > instead. > > As for the Roxy Tour - LOVED IT! > > That's my 2c worth anyway > > >> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:33:19 +0700 >> From: info@tralik.com >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? >> >> Somehow to me, Ferry has lost >>> some of his style, coolness and even some dignity. He seems to have > fallen >>> from the Gods (dare I say Olympia) and become human again. I'm even > actually >>> not excited enough to feel I want to attend the forthcoming Olympia tour >>> either. Something else I didn't think I'd ever say. >> >> Wow, exactly my thoughts. Olympia is so dull and almost tacky in some >> respects (the awful album cover). >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > __________________________________________________________________________ > o unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 07:40:12 +0000 From: Andrew Shearer Subject: RE: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? "Grow up dearest Avalonia." Thanks for the condescension. Andrew (www.andrewshearer.com) > CC: avalon@smoe.org > From: martinstockman@btinternet.com > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? > Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:24:01 +0000 > To: kwil632057@aol.com > > Yes J, Roxy were utterly groundbreaking. I was there in 73. Loved the fabulous creation. Definitely thought Ferry was merely the 3rd most interesting stage presence at the outset. But sanity prevailed. Loved These Foolish Things as much, if not more, than RM and FYP. Still do. > Can 60 year olds be groundbreaking? Tough. But Reason Or Rhyme is pretty special at any stage of life. > Grow up dearest Avalonia. Roxy is Ferrry as Wham is George Michael. Although Andy Newmark is certainly bettr than Andrew Ridgley. > Viva Roxy > M > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 13 Feb 2011, at 11:28, kwil632057@aol.com wrote: > > > Indeed Martin. But is it not fair to say that Roxy were groundbreaking, Ferry > > as a solo artist considerably less so? > > Listen to Olympia and tell me who, with it's impressive list of session > > musicians, did what. Listen to a Roxy album - any Roxy album - and you can > > identify exactly what each member brought to the mix. > > Nobody is doubting it's Ferry's show, but it's very important for any artist > > to have people to challenge their ideas from time to time. > > > > J > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Martin > > To: Tracy Connell > > CC: > > Sent: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:24 > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? > > > > > > Where to begin? > > As ever on this peculiar forum everything is Bryan's fault. The song choices, > > he cost, the perceived disdain for his "co-workers", the venues, ... Having > > the > > udacity to work solo for 30 years ... > > he world of Roxy took place between 1972 and 1975, although some might narrow > > hat to 72-73. And even that era was over 50% down to BF. > > hat Bryan still tours with the old gang is a blessing for the musicians of the > > arly era. > > ryan has been, for 30 years, a solo artist. I hear the list talking about the > > oxy "soup" - the particular melange of sax, sonic guitar, synth and leaden > > rums. I kinda get it, and of course I love Beauty Queen et al, but for me the > > erry vibe - the langour, the melodies, the doubt, - are the canvas and the > > icture of all the work. Roxy and solo. > > y not putting out a new Roxy album he's arguably withholding (another) > > ay-packet for the old band but surely it's within his gift to say that it > > isn't > > ood enough for the brand. > > inally I remain convinced that Olympia is a masterpiece - with marble flaws / > > loors - although I'm sad that much focus has been on the less interesting > > ptempo songs. > > Okay - everyone back to your Explorers utopia and belly-aching that "Your > > pplications Failed" was taken off the setlist by the venal lead singer. > > ip pip > > ino > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 11 Feb 2011, at 15:05, Tracy Connell wrote: > >> For some reason I haven't really taken to Olympia yet. I'm hoping it will > > grow > > on me. > > > > When you watch the Making of Olympia video Bryan seems so pleased with the > > outcome and thinks he's nailed it, so to speak. I'm yet to be on the same > > wavelength on that. He's spent a lot of time and used a lot of musicians on > > it. I fear it's a little overworked. > > > > Each song on Olympia sounds very much the same and I find myself trying to > > work out which song is playing sometimes. > > > > In contrast I loved every track of Frantic the first time I played it. > > > > I shall persevere with it in the hope that the lightbulb pops up in time for > > a > > solo Olympia tour. > > > > I don't mind the album cover - but would always prefer one with a pic of > > Ferry > > instead. > > > > As for the Roxy Tour - LOVED IT! > > > > That's my 2c worth anyway > > > > > >> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:33:19 +0700 > >> From: info@tralik.com > >> To: avalon@smoe.org > >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? > >> > >> Somehow to me, Ferry has lost > >>> some of his style, coolness and even some dignity. He seems to have > > fallen > >>> from the Gods (dare I say Olympia) and become human again. I'm even > > actually > >>> not excited enough to feel I want to attend the forthcoming Olympia tour > >>> either. Something else I didn't think I'd ever say. > >> > >> Wow, exactly my thoughts. Olympia is so dull and almost tacky in some > >> respects (the awful album cover). > >> > >> > >> ___________________________________________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > o unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:45:08 -0500 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Roxy revelation! Roxy backing singer Tawatha Agee released a song called 'Thigh Ride'. J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V15 #41 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest