From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V15 #39 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, February 12 2011 Volume 15 : Number 039 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Ferry on Letterman ["Colette Robertson" ] RE: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? [Andrew Shearer ] RE: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? [Tracy Connell ] Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? ["K B Porter" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:25:45 -0000 From: "Colette Robertson" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry on Letterman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI_wpMYHxqU Cheers, Colette ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:50:38 +0000 From: Andrew Shearer Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry on Letterman Thanks Collette, But where's Paul, Phil and Andy? (And er... Colin?) (:-) Andrew (www.andrewshearer.com) > From: coletterobertson@blueyonder.co.uk > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Ferry on Letterman > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:25:45 +0000 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI_wpMYHxqU > > Cheers, Colette > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 04:47:58 EST From: InterEireann@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hardly Great Endoorsements You might have to put this guy in the Jonathan Ross camp of not paying attention to what was played.... "Where was.... Pyjamarama..? " he asks... R In a message dated 11/02/2011 08:43:54 GMT Standard Time, shearerandrew@hotmail.com writes: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/reviews/roxy-music-02- a rena-london-2209694.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 05:01:00 -0500 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [AVALON] Hardly Great Endoorsements Or in Ross's case, not recognising what was being played. Roxymusic.com are even guilty of it, promising our Southern Hemisphere friends that hits including More Than This will be played. - -----Original Message----- From: InterEireann@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 9:47 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hardly Great Endoorsements You might have to put this guy in the Jonathan Ross camp of not paying attention to what was played.... "Where was.... Pyjamarama..? " he asks... R In a message dated 11/02/2011 08:43:54 GMT Standard Time, shearerandrew@hotmail.com writes: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/reviews/roxy-music-02- a rena-london-2209694.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:09:36 +0000 From: Andrew Shearer Subject: RE: [AVALON] Hardly Great Endorsements If this is going to be a great magnificent thread can I just correct that howler of a typo please? Thanks (:-) Andrew (www.andrewshearer.com) > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Fwd: [AVALON] Hardly Great Endoorsements > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 05:01:00 -0500 > From: jocelynfiske@aol.com > > Or in Ross's case, not recognising what was being played. > Roxymusic.com are even guilty of it, promising our Southern Hemisphere friends > that hits including More Than This will be played. > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: InterEireann@aol.com > To: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 9:47 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hardly Great Endoorsements > > > You might have to put this guy in the Jonathan Ross camp of not paying > > > > > > attention to what was played.... "Where was.... Pyjamarama..? " he asks... > > > > > > > > > > > > R > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/02/2011 08:43:54 GMT Standard Time, > > > > > > shearerandrew@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/reviews/roxy-music-02- > > > > > > a > > > > > > rena-london-2209694.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 06:13:12 -0500 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? Alright Mr. De Mille, Ibm ready for my close-up. And with this the big screen dwarfing the darkened stageflickers into life. Throwing up profiles of men with years of world-wearytouring etched as craggy fissures, melded with soft swirls of buttercups,daisies and most anything. From the sublimely bizarre Russo Bitter Sweetmonkeys, blazing Turners, Rickbs cafe and atomic Dreamhome to the patentlyridiculous cod-sax of Donbt Stop the Dance and the mis-placed Dolce Vitasomewhere down 5th Avenue. Itbs some slide show. But is it all just a pantomime? Richardbs interesting post finally mentions the elephant inthe room and backed by Christianbs brilliantly eloquent piece Ibm forced toexamine the unquiet that has settled upon me like a dusting of frost on abrilliant winter morning. I approach Roxy tours with military precision, all gung-hoand metaphorically hopped up like a GI in Korea plied with experimental MGMA.The result is far too much fun and party time wasting than is possibly good fora woman of my discerning years. I can throw myself into it with the best ofthem, but ultimately, with the cold light of day comes the inevitable comedown. Attending the Newcastle gig and listening to the unexpectedset-list unfurl was frankly, quite astounding. I was poleaxed by the likes ofPyjamarama, Street Life, Amazona, If There Is Something, Prairie Rose, 2 HB,Just Like You and a mid-set (what??) Sentimental Fool. Goddamit I even fawnedover The Main Thing and Same Old Scene. Finally, this seemed like a running order for the old schoolRoxy set, and for that I will be eternally grateful, particularly as it wasobviously not what was expected from at least 50% of the audience (probablymore). But it instantly started to ring alarm bells. It felt like a final hurrah. Webd had loose tongues from all quarters in interview priorto the tour. Bryan maintaining that non of the material written by the othermembers of the band had been good enough to put on a new Roxy album (way toendear yourself mate), even the usually notoriously tight-lipped Paul saying onradio that if hebd been a Roxy fan he wouldnbt have bought anything afterManifesto. When I saw Tara on bpercussionb, other than nepotism, it beggaredthe question bwhy?b A less amiable drummer than TGPT might have felt tempted tosuggest Uncle Bryan stick it up his Junta. It was starting to smack of the pre-1975 Roxy Dictatorship. Ibve often felt Phil is the Kofi Annan of Roxy but even hebdbe hard pressed to mediate this fall of the Roxy Empire. But they are human after all. How many of us have gone backto old lovers only to have the initial thrill of it all spoilt by our previousdifferences resurfacing? Ibve adored this tour and all its flaws, the duff sound, thepathetic lighting, the return of the Ferry keyboards, Andybs fabulous Daddancing, Philbs fatherly pride of Ollie, Paulbs recurrent biggest cheer of theevening at every venue, the lost vocal range, the OAP La Goulue kick. Every single solitary moment (oh, except Avalon and JealousGuy and My Only Love, oh and the shed venues). But Ibll take 14 tracks that took me by surprise any day. Even if I did have to watch my beloved Roxy disintegrate forthe second time right in front of my eyes. Tara. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 06:22:33 -0500 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hardly Great Endowments Don't get why anyone would complain about songs not played when they were played live consistantly since 2001 - 2010. Don't need to hear Ladytron or Re-Make Re-Model live again for a while, certainly not when there's a great setlist like the one we got at the 02. In fact, my greatest fear was that Re-Make would be the opener and we'd be on very familiar ground again... I think the quick fix would be to incorporate the hits so they fall throughout the set. That way, the civilians are more involved and the die hards don't get bored during the final stretch. J - -----Original Message----- From: InterEireann@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 9:47 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hardly Great Endoorsements You might have to put this guy in the Jonathan Ross camp of not paying attention to what was played.... "Where was.... Pyjamarama..? " he asks... R In a message dated 11/02/2011 08:43:54 GMT Standard Time, shearerandrew@hotmail.com writes: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/reviews/roxy-music-02- a rena-london-2209694.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 06:28:39 -0500 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hardly Great Endowments the civilians are more involved The Roxy Militia Rules OK?!! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:46:36 +0000 From: "S.J.Batie" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Hardly Great Endowments I'm ready to be flamed here but I was a bit disappointed that FYP was played to close the set. The format of individually walking off stage was identical to that experienced in 2001 which I thought [on reflection] was quite a lazy thing to do .... Disappointed, not complaining! Steve - -----Original Message----- From: kwil632057@aol.com [mailto:kwil632057@aol.com] Sent: 11 February 2011 11:23 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hardly Great Endowments Don't get why anyone would complain about songs not played when they were played live consistantly since 2001 - 2010. Don't need to hear Ladytron or Re-Make Re-Model live again for a while, certainly not when there's a great setlist like the one we got at the 02. In fact, my greatest fear was that Re-Make would be the opener and we'd be on very familiar ground again... I think the quick fix would be to incorporate the hits so they fall throughout the set. That way, the civilians are more involved and the die hards don't get bored during the final stretch. J - -----Original Message----- From: InterEireann@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 9:47 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hardly Great Endoorsements You might have to put this guy in the Jonathan Ross camp of not paying attention to what was played.... "Where was.... Pyjamarama..? " he asks... R In a message dated 11/02/2011 08:43:54 GMT Standard Time, shearerandrew@hotmail.com writes: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/reviews/roxy-music-02- a rena-london-2209694.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -- The Open University is incorporated by Royal Charter (RC 000391), an exempt charity in England & Wales and a charity registered in Scotland (SC 038302). ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:18:30 +0000 From: Andrew Shearer Subject: RE: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? Such great heartfelt posts over the last two days though I know not everyone will concur I'm not in position to comment on this recent tour as I chose not go. As someone whose Roxy zenith is maybe on the front row of Madison Square Garden in 2001 with Mr O'Brien (I still remember John's words "I never thought I'd be here doing this" or something similar) and the impromptu Roxy party in Mustang Harry's which followed I'm not averse to travelling and spending money money on my favourite band. I'm sorry to have missed these songs being performed recently but I'm not heartbroken and I don't think I regret not going (maybe I will later down the line). Why did I chose not to go? Partly because of the cost but ostensibly I think I've just got fed with Bryan Ferry. (I didn't think I'd ever say that!) I just don't feel he's treated the others with a great deal of respect. I wonder actually if some chasm arose because of the "frankness" of the comments in the Roxy Music Story. Also I wonder (though I dare say will never find out) what the financial arrangements of the costs involved in the little recording they did together after 2001 and if perhaps the subsequent shows weren't a way to recoup those costs. I also hate to say it but I also think BF has lost "something" which I can't quite put my finger on. He seems to be trying too hard now. Perhaps it's an age thing but I'm not sure: Leonard Cohen seems to have accomplished it with a degree of dignity and indeed cool good humour. Somehow to me, Ferry has lost some of his style, coolness and even some dignity. He seems to have fallen from the Gods (dare I say Olympia) and become human again. I'm even actually not excited enough to feel I want to attend the forthcoming Olympia tour either. Something else I didn't think I'd ever say. I don't think all is lost though. I can see everything going belly-up over the next year. Later, the kids will either get fed up or the sack or both and BF will be on his own. In a while he'll then say he's had some pieces that have been "turned to the wall" which he's recently re-discovered and thought they'd be suitable for another Roxy album (you see he has to be in control and the momentum after 2001 wasn't completely under his control) and we will start all over again. I'll see you there and we'll clink our zimmer-frames. Down but not completely out. Andrew (www.andrewshearer.com) > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 06:13:12 -0500 > From: jocelynfiske@aol.com > > Alright Mr. De Mille, Ibm ready for my close-up. > > > And with this the big screen dwarfing the darkened stageflickers into life. > Throwing up profiles of men with years of world-wearytouring etched as craggy > fissures, melded with soft swirls of buttercups,daisies and most anything. > From the sublimely bizarre Russo Bitter Sweetmonkeys, blazing Turners, > Rickbs cafe and atomic Dreamhome to the patentlyridiculous cod-sax of > Donbt Stop the Dance and the mis-placed Dolce Vitasomewhere down 5th > Avenue. > > Itbs some slide show. But is it all just a pantomime? > > Richardbs interesting post finally mentions the elephant inthe room and > backed by Christianbs brilliantly eloquent piece Ibm forced toexamine the > unquiet that has settled upon me like a dusting of frost on abrilliant winter > morning. > > I approach Roxy tours with military precision, all gung-hoand metaphorically > hopped up like a GI in Korea plied with experimental MGMA.The result is far > too much fun and party time wasting than is possibly good fora woman of my > discerning years. I can throw myself into it with the best ofthem, but > ultimately, with the cold light of day comes the inevitable comedown. > > Attending the Newcastle gig and listening to the unexpectedset-list unfurl was > frankly, quite astounding. I was poleaxed by the likes ofPyjamarama, Street > Life, Amazona, If There Is Something, Prairie Rose, 2 HB,Just Like You and a > mid-set (what??) Sentimental Fool. Goddamit I even fawnedover The Main Thing > and Same Old Scene. > > Finally, this seemed like a running order for the old schoolRoxy set, and for > that I will be eternally grateful, particularly as it wasobviously not what > was expected from at least 50% of the audience (probablymore). But it > instantly started to ring alarm bells. > > It felt like a final hurrah. > > Webd had loose tongues from all quarters in interview priorto the tour. > Bryan maintaining that non of the material written by the othermembers of the > band had been good enough to put on a new Roxy album (way toendear yourself > mate), even the usually notoriously tight-lipped Paul saying onradio that if > hebd been a Roxy fan he wouldnbt have bought anything afterManifesto. When > I saw Tara on bpercussionb, other than nepotism, it beggaredthe question > bwhy?b A less amiable drummer than TGPT might have felt tempted tosuggest > Uncle Bryan stick it up his Junta. It was starting to smack of the pre-1975 > Roxy Dictatorship. > > Ibve often felt Phil is the Kofi Annan of Roxy but even hebdbe hard > pressed to mediate this fall of the Roxy Empire. > > But they are human after all. How many of us have gone backto old lovers only > to have the initial thrill of it all spoilt by our previousdifferences > resurfacing? > > Ibve adored this tour and all its flaws, the duff sound, thepathetic > lighting, the return of the Ferry keyboards, Andybs fabulous Daddancing, > Philbs fatherly pride of Ollie, Paulbs recurrent biggest cheer of > theevening at every venue, the lost vocal range, the OAP La Goulue kick. > > > Every single solitary moment (oh, except Avalon and JealousGuy and My Only > Love, oh and the shed venues). > > But Ibll take 14 tracks that took me by surprise any day. > Even if I did have to watch my beloved Roxy disintegrate forthe second time > right in front of my eyes. > > Tara. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:33:19 +0700 From: info Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? Somehow to me, Ferry has lost > some of his style, coolness and even some dignity. He seems to have fallen > from the Gods (dare I say Olympia) and become human again. I'm even actually > not excited enough to feel I want to attend the forthcoming Olympia tour > either. Something else I didn't think I'd ever say. Wow, exactly my thoughts. Olympia is so dull and almost tacky in some respects (the awful album cover). ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:05:16 +0000 From: Tracy Connell Subject: RE: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? For some reason I haven't really taken to Olympia yet. I'm hoping it will grow on me. When you watch the Making of Olympia video Bryan seems so pleased with the outcome and thinks he's nailed it, so to speak. I'm yet to be on the same wavelength on that. He's spent a lot of time and used a lot of musicians on it. I fear it's a little overworked. Each song on Olympia sounds very much the same and I find myself trying to work out which song is playing sometimes. In contrast I loved every track of Frantic the first time I played it. I shall persevere with it in the hope that the lightbulb pops up in time for a solo Olympia tour. I don't mind the album cover - but would always prefer one with a pic of Ferry instead. As for the Roxy Tour - LOVED IT! That's my 2c worth anyway > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:33:19 +0700 > From: info@tralik.com > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? > > Somehow to me, Ferry has lost > > some of his style, coolness and even some dignity. He seems to have fallen > > from the Gods (dare I say Olympia) and become human again. I'm even actually > > not excited enough to feel I want to attend the forthcoming Olympia tour > > either. Something else I didn't think I'd ever say. > > Wow, exactly my thoughts. Olympia is so dull and almost tacky in some > respects (the awful album cover). > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:49:20 -0500 From: "K B Porter" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glorious swansong? Andrew writes: "I don't think all is lost though. I can see everything going belly-up over the next year. Later, the kids will either get fed up or the sack or both and BF will be on his own. In a while he'll then say he's had some pieces that have been "turned to the wall" which he's recently re-discovered and thought they'd be suitable for another Roxy album (you see he has to be in control and the momentum after 2001 wasn't completely under his control) and we will start all over again." And so it goes - the same old scene. Ferry is Ferry. He has never treated The Great Paul Thompson as an integral part of Roxy Music, PM and AM are hardly 'cousins' in Ferry's band. And there is no mistake, Mr. Ferry feels Roxy Music Is His Band! His vision, his idea, his creation. He is the Master of Ceremony. Of course this ego-centric rite has doomed many a man and his presumed group. While I love his music, I have never liked BF's arrogant treatment of PT, PM and AM as second class citizens (ironic, imo). I've regarded this recent RM tour as being one for the longtime fan whose dreamed 'wish-list of songs performed live' culminates as the ultimate experience, a zenith of pleasure. The filming and 'staging' (BF at the keyboards, PM and AM finally showcasing) seems to suggest a desire (by one or more RM members) to leave history an endearing (if not final) document (dvd) exhibiting a fairytale legacy - the image of Roxy Music, influential granddaddy of glam music, a cohesive ground-breaking pop-art band that brought us new sensations. The live-concert film could very well have an undercurrent touting RM/BF's perceived mark on modern music. If so, I would not begrudge them. Rather, I would be grateful for 'lime-light sharing' documented in the forth coming dvd, for Roxy Music Is much more than the sum of its individual members. Marlana is correct in writing that most of us hate change. Could this be the reason why many Avalonians are feeling an uneasiness derived from this latest round of gigs? The ambivalence and foreboding, the 'cognitive dissonance' is natural. But this inner turmoil should dissipate once we realize that we have always known that everyone, including Roxy Music and its band members, shall one day die or cease to be. Facing one's own mortality is uncomfortable, we should embrace what is Now. The old song goes, 'today while the blossom still clings to the vine I'll eat your strawberries I'll drink your sweet wine, a million tomorrows shall all pass away, there I'll forget all the joys that are mine today. There have been many wonderful posts of late, they are the soul of the list. Best Wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V15 #39 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest