From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V14 #168 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, November 9 2010 Volume 14 : Number 168 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Marketing BF [chandla911@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Marketing BF [kwil632057@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Later... speculation... [Andrew Shearer ] Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... [ct ] RE: [AVALON] Later... speculation... [Andrew Shearer ] Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... [Johnny Reece ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 05:47:48 -0500 From: chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Marketing BF I don't mind being argued against (let's be honest, I quite enjoy it) but I do NOT like being kwilfully misunderstood. Ooh I could crush a grape. My e-mail contribution of yesterday was not a complaint against marketing; au contraire. I have been working in marketing since 1979. It was in fact not a complaint at all. The idea of genuflecting before a deity and shouting Lordy Lordy was intended to convey praise that, for the first time that I can recall on this marketing rush, Bryan Ferry is actually playing a music show. If we (well, not we, you) adopt a position where everything Bryan Ferry does in pursuit of record sales is approved without the merest criticism, that would be akin to sycophancy. And is *that* what this group was designed to embrace as its policy? Bryan Ferry, as any fule kno, is a stylish rake with a good ear, occasionally muffled, for a melody, a cool vibrato voice, a sense of fashion, looks that belie his age by decades (cue comments about Dorian Gray) and a track record for which many a musician would gladly sell their soul. Within reasonable margins, we would all agree on that much, I believe. BUT using the likes of Alan Titchmarsh, Loose Women and Strictly Come Dancing isn't merely using shows with ratings to gain exposure for Olympia, but tarnishing all of the above accepted brand qualities in exchange for luke-warm sales figures. While some viewers of the above may tap a toe while U Can Dance is warbled as a backdrop to Brendan and whoever performing rather awkward (I thought, but more graceful than anything I could do) simulated sexual congress on the dancefloor, does anyone seriously think it will help sell many of the B#50 box sets? Or just possibly he's whoring himself for the appearance fees? There will be some fans of Roxy who will see BF listed in the Radio Times against the above shows and shudder. Not just me. And if it is just me, there goes free speech because there will be others who just don't want to voice an opinion against the sarcasm and world weary patronising remarks that follow such a declaration. However, Later with Jools Holland is a live show in the sense that no miming is permitted AND it's performed as live, with no gaps in between sets and retakes only in extreme circumstances. So, thank ye Jaysus, nam yeoho renge kyo, hare hare...Bryan has been booked to do a music show. Can we really not celebrate that prospect without the laconic "I believe it's called marketing" spewing forth from the sneering lips of a well wisher? Or is the considered opinion of the Avalon that we should lobby for more appearances by Bryan Ferry and the Olympia oeuvre on the likes of Jeremy Kyle Show, Wright Stuff, Jamie's 30 Minute something or others, the Krankies Christmas show, The Kids Are All Right with John Barrowman, Deal Or No Deal...maybe advertising cash for gold with his hit albums as the items he shifts into a padded envelope headed in the direction of the warehouse en route to being melted down? U know it RM ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 06:31:41 -0500 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Marketing BF Oh for goodness sake. Richard, it might not always be apparent, but this is a list for people who like the music of Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry. No one's being sycophantic - just voicing opinions and feeling obliged, on occasion, to defend Ferry (on a list mainly dedicated to his work!). Anyway, moving on: I'd love to see Alphaville and Reason or Rhyme performed on Later... tonight. Fingers crossed You Can Dance doesn't get yet another airing... J If we (well, not we, you) adopt a position where everything Bryan Ferry does in pursuit of record sales is approved without the merest criticism, that would be akin to sycophancy. And is *that* what this group was designed to embrace as its policy? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:19:57 +0000 From: Andrew Shearer Subject: RE: [AVALON] Later... speculation... Just personal choice but for me the first three songs are no-nos. I think maybe Shameless would be quite good for two reasons: a) it's the latest single (although what differentiates a single release and whim seems a thin dividing line) and if it was in conjunction with Groove Armada, I think it would have a certain cache with the "youngsters"). Oh, and third reason, I really like it. As for a second song, well, I like everything from tracks 4 - 9 (for me it's been a revelation that I have grown to like so much off one BF album) but I think some of them maybe too slow for the show. I could see him doing BF Bass perhaps. Seeing the Robert Plant doc on UK TV this week, I thought BF's version of Song To The Siren was far superior (haven't heard This Mortal Coil's) and perhaps that might be a contender; perhaps it has a certain "rock kudos" because of Buckley. On a superficial level, I hope he doesn't have 8 - 10 women on stage with him. I understand yes, that it's a spectacle and it's something for the audience to look at but I think it's taking away from the music. And it's what people will remember (and some will be disparaging about). And if he wears that b***dy suit one more time I'll shoot myself. Surely Sunday night was the perfect time to dust the tuxedo off? In addition to being classy it would've added a touch of self-deprecating humour which he seems to be pretty good at these days. Maybe he's got a Formula 1 type sponsorship deal with Anderson & Sheperd where he has to wear the suit whenever he's out in public. > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Later... speculation... > Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 01:02:46 -0500 > From: kwil632057@aol.com > > I wonder which songs Bryan will perform? Recent TV performances have been > mimed so Later... is likely to be a real test on the old vocal cords... > > J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 07:46:59 -0500 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... Isn't the current single Heartache by Numbers? If there's a(nother) small child in the band, we'll know what to expect... Which songs would Jools be able to join in on? J - -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Shearer To: avalon avalon Sent: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:19 Subject: RE: [AVALON] Later... speculation... Just personal choice but for me the first three songs are no-nos. I think maybe Shameless would be quite good for two reasons: a) it's the latest single (although what differentiates a single release and whim seems a thin dividing line) and if it was in conjunction with Groove Armada, I think it would have a certain cache with the "youngsters"). Oh, and third reason, I really like it. As for a second song, well, I like everything from tracks 4 - 9 (for me it's been a revelation that I have grown to like so much off one BF album) but I think some of them maybe too slow for the show. I could see him doing BF Bass perhaps. Seeing the Robert Plant doc on UK TV this week, I thought BF's version of Song To The Siren was far superior (haven't heard This Mortal Coil's) and perhaps that might be a contender; perhaps it has a certain "rock kudos" because of Buckley. On a superficial level, I hope he doesn't have 8 - 10 women on stage with him. I understand yes, that it's a spectacle and it's something for the audience to look at but I think it's taking away from the music. And it's what people will remember (and some will be disparaging about). And if he wears that b***dy suit one more time I'll shoot myself. Surely Sunday night was the perfect time to dust the tuxedo off? In addition to being classy it would've added a touch of self-deprecating humour which he seems to be pretty good at these days. Maybe he's got a Formula 1 type sponsorship deal with Anderson & Sheperd where he has to wear the suit whenever he's out in public. > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Later... speculation... > Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 01:02:46 -0500 > From: kwil632057@aol.com > > I wonder which songs Bryan will perform? Recent TV performances have been > mimed so Later... is likely to be a real test on the old vocal cords... > > J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:22:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Terence OConnor Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... I'd put my money on My Oh My, Song To The Siren and Tender is The Night. I think he should look toward the serious music buyers, rather than the housewives choice buyers he's been trying on daytime TV. Well we'll see?? Terry - --- On Tue, 9/11/10, kwil632057@aol.com wrote: From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Later... speculation... To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010, 6:02 I wonder which songs Bryan will perform? Recent TV performances have been mimed so Later... is likely to be a real test on the old vocal cords... J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:01:16 +0000 From: intereireann@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... He could do piano on Reason or Rhyme, although not quite a piece for Jules' usual " tinkling of the ivories " style....best song on album I think followed by Song To The Siren...incidentally read one review which slammed Siren because how many guitar players were on it...I think it works and preferable ( although admittedly completely different to point it could be a different song ) to other versions ( including Mr. Plant's ). R - -----Original Message----- From: kwil632057@aol.com Sender: owner-avalon@smoe.org Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 07:46:59 To: ; Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... Isn't the current single Heartache by Numbers? If there's a(nother) small child in the band, we'll know what to expect... Which songs would Jools be able to join in on? J - -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Shearer To: avalon avalon Sent: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:19 Subject: RE: [AVALON] Later... speculation... Just personal choice but for me the first three songs are no-nos. I think maybe Shameless would be quite good for two reasons: a) it's the latest single (although what differentiates a single release and whim seems a thin dividing line) and if it was in conjunction with Groove Armada, I think it would have a certain cache with the "youngsters"). Oh, and third reason, I really like it. As for a second song, well, I like everything from tracks 4 - 9 (for me it's been a revelation that I have grown to like so much off one BF album) but I think some of them maybe too slow for the show. I could see him doing BF Bass perhaps. Seeing the Robert Plant doc on UK TV this week, I thought BF's version of Song To The Siren was far superior (haven't heard This Mortal Coil's) and perhaps that might be a contender; perhaps it has a certain "rock kudos" because of Buckley. On a superficial level, I hope he doesn't have 8 - 10 women on stage with him. I understand yes, that it's a spectacle and it's something for the audience to look at but I think it's taking away from the music. And it's what people will remember (and some will be disparaging about). And if he wears that b***dy suit one more time I'll shoot myself. Surely Sunday night was the perfect time to dust the tuxedo off? In addition to being classy it would've added a touch of self-deprecating humour which he seems to be pretty good at these days. Maybe he's got a Formula 1 type sponsorship deal with Anderson & Sheperd where he has to wear the suit whenever he's out in public. > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Later... speculation... > Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 01:02:46 -0500 > From: kwil632057@aol.com > > I wonder which songs Bryan will perform? Recent TV performances have been > mimed so Later... is likely to be a real test on the old vocal cords... > > J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 13:04:47 +0000 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... `as long as we don't get Lets Stick Together On 9 Nov 2010, at 13:01, intereireann@aol.com wrote: > He could do piano on Reason or Rhyme, although not quite a piece for Jules' usual " tinkling of the ivories " style....best song on album I think followed by Song To The Siren...incidentally read one review which slammed Siren because how many guitar players were on it...I think it works and preferable ( although admittedly completely different to point it could be a different song ) to other versions ( including Mr. Plant's ). > > R > -----Original Message----- > From: kwil632057@aol.com > Sender: owner-avalon@smoe.org > Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 07:46:59 > To: ; > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... > > Isn't the current single Heartache by Numbers? If there's a(nother) small > child in the band, we'll know what to expect... > > Which songs would Jools be able to join in on? > > J > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Shearer > To: avalon avalon > Sent: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:19 > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Later... speculation... > > > Just personal choice but for me the first three songs are no-nos. I think > maybe Shameless would be quite good for two reasons: a) it's the latest > single > (although what differentiates a single release and whim seems a thin dividing > line) and if it was in conjunction with Groove Armada, I think it would have > a > certain cache with the "youngsters"). Oh, and third reason, I really like it. > > As for a second song, well, I like everything from tracks 4 - 9 (for me it's > been a revelation that I have grown to like so much off one BF album) but I > think some of them maybe too slow for the show. I could see him doing BF Bass > perhaps. Seeing the Robert Plant doc on UK TV this week, I thought BF's > version of Song To The Siren was far superior (haven't heard This Mortal > Coil's) and perhaps that might be a contender; perhaps it has a certain "rock > kudos" because of Buckley. > > On a superficial level, I hope he doesn't have 8 - 10 women on stage with > him. > I understand yes, that it's a spectacle and it's something for the audience > to > look at but I think it's taking away from the music. And it's what people > will > remember (and some will be disparaging about). And if he wears that b***dy > suit one more time I'll shoot myself. Surely Sunday night was the perfect > time > to dust the tuxedo off? In addition to being classy it would've added a touch > of self-deprecating humour which he seems to be pretty good at these days. > Maybe he's got a Formula 1 type sponsorship deal with Anderson & Sheperd > where > he has to wear the suit whenever he's out in public. > >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Subject: [AVALON] Later... speculation... >> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 01:02:46 -0500 >> From: kwil632057@aol.com >> >> I wonder which songs Bryan will perform? Recent TV performances have been >> mimed so Later... is likely to be a real test on the old vocal cords... >> >> J >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 08:11:57 -0500 From: ct Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... Which songs would Jools be able to join in on? Oh good god, here comes a boogie-woogie Tender Is The Night. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:23:37 +0000 From: Andrew Shearer Subject: RE: [AVALON] Later... speculation... I think Heartache by Numbers was last week's single. (:-) Roxyrama have got Shameless down as a single release at some point but I guess that could change. > To: shearerandrew@hotmail.com; avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... > Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:46:59 -0500 > From: kwil632057@aol.com > > Isn't the current single Heartache by Numbers? If there's a(nother) small > child in the band, we'll know what to expect... > > Which songs would Jools be able to join in on? > > J > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Shearer > To: avalon avalon > Sent: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:19 > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Later... speculation... > > > Just personal choice but for me the first three songs are no-nos. I think > maybe Shameless would be quite good for two reasons: a) it's the latest > single > (although what differentiates a single release and whim seems a thin dividing > line) and if it was in conjunction with Groove Armada, I think it would have > a > certain cache with the "youngsters"). Oh, and third reason, I really like it. > > As for a second song, well, I like everything from tracks 4 - 9 (for me it's > been a revelation that I have grown to like so much off one BF album) but I > think some of them maybe too slow for the show. I could see him doing BF Bass > perhaps. Seeing the Robert Plant doc on UK TV this week, I thought BF's > version of Song To The Siren was far superior (haven't heard This Mortal > Coil's) and perhaps that might be a contender; perhaps it has a certain "rock > kudos" because of Buckley. > > On a superficial level, I hope he doesn't have 8 - 10 women on stage with > him. > I understand yes, that it's a spectacle and it's something for the audience > to > look at but I think it's taking away from the music. And it's what people > will > remember (and some will be disparaging about). And if he wears that b***dy > suit one more time I'll shoot myself. Surely Sunday night was the perfect > time > to dust the tuxedo off? In addition to being classy it would've added a touch > of self-deprecating humour which he seems to be pretty good at these days. > Maybe he's got a Formula 1 type sponsorship deal with Anderson & Sheperd > where > he has to wear the suit whenever he's out in public. > > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Subject: [AVALON] Later... speculation... > > Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 01:02:46 -0500 > > From: kwil632057@aol.com > > > > I wonder which songs Bryan will perform? Recent TV performances have been > > mimed so Later... is likely to be a real test on the old vocal cords... > > > > J > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 09:05:41 -0500 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... Interesting. YCD was certainly downloadable from Amazon and had a video made so I guess that was a single (it was released 23rd of August). I'm sure HBM was touted as a single on one of the radio appearances? Shameless has a video so it could probably be released as a single next. Maybe we'll get Shameless tonight then. Cool with me. J - -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Shearer To: avalon avalon Sent: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:23 Subject: RE: [AVALON] Later... speculation... I think Heartache by Numbers was last week's single. (:-) Roxyrama have got Shameless down as a single release at some point but I guess that could change. > To: shearerandrew@hotmail.com; avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... > Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:46:59 -0500 > From: kwil632057@aol.com > > Isn't the current single Heartache by Numbers? If there's a(nother) small > child in the band, we'll know what to expect... > > Which songs would Jools be able to join in on? > > J > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Shearer > To: avalon avalon > Sent: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:19 > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Later... speculation... > > > Just personal choice but for me the first three songs are no-nos. I think > maybe Shameless would be quite good for two reasons: a) it's the latest > single > (although what differentiates a single release and whim seems a thin dividing > line) and if it was in conjunction with Groove Armada, I think it would have > a > certain cache with the "youngsters"). Oh, and third reason, I really like it. > > As for a second song, well, I like everything from tracks 4 - 9 (for me it's > been a revelation that I have grown to like so much off one BF album) but I > think some of them maybe too slow for the show. I could see him doing BF Bass > perhaps. Seeing the Robert Plant doc on UK TV this week, I thought BF's > version of Song To The Siren was far superior (haven't heard This Mortal > Coil's) and perhaps that might be a contender; perhaps it has a certain "rock > kudos" because of Buckley. > > On a superficial level, I hope he doesn't have 8 - 10 women on stage with > him. > I understand yes, that it's a spectacle and it's something for the audience > to > look at but I think it's taking away from the music. And it's what people > will > remember (and some will be disparaging about). And if he wears that b***dy > suit one more time I'll shoot myself. Surely Sunday night was the perfect > time > to dust the tuxedo off? In addition to being classy it would've added a touch > of self-deprecating humour which he seems to be pretty good at these days. > Maybe he's got a Formula 1 type sponsorship deal with Anderson & Sheperd > where > he has to wear the suit whenever he's out in public. > > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Subject: [AVALON] Later... speculation... > > Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 01:02:46 -0500 > > From: kwil632057@aol.com > > > > I wonder which songs Bryan will perform? Recent TV performances have been > > mimed so Later... is likely to be a real test on the old vocal cords... > > > > J > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 10:38:59 -0500 From: ct Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... Doesn't he usually do a 'stripped down' version of things on Jools? I'm sure someone can help me out here. I've got Positively 4th Street with an atmos guitar solo by Leo Abraham in my head, but that might be from elsewhere? So, what would lend itself to that? I would give my eye teeth to hear an unplugged Ferry and piano do Reason Or Rhyme a la The Only Face. The only reason I'm not falling over myself to elect it far and away the best thing Ferry's done in an age (and on Olympia) is purely down to 16secs. The 16secs of cod reggae that wreck the intro and then chugs meaninglessly under throughout (for me, The Bogus Man chug was a funk chug and the meat of the whole piece, this is just over production and pointless). The first chords that Ferry comes in with on piano practically break your heart and when I saw it as an instrumental extra on the remixed CD of the deluxe version of Olympia I thought my dream had come true to hear it more spatially aware and less filled. Unfortunately not. But Later might be the place? If not, a Ferry and piano Me Oh My might be on the cards as he's practically played it live in the guise of My Only Love. J - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Evans To: intereireann@aol.com CC: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:04 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... `as long as we don't get Lets Stick Together On 9 Nov 2010, at 13:01, intereireann@aol.com wrote: > He could do piano on Reason or Rhyme, although not quite a piece for Jules' usual " tinkling of the ivories " style....best song on album I think followed by Song To The Siren...incidentally read one review which slammed Siren because how many guitar players were on it...I think it works and preferable ( although admittedly completely different to point it could be a different song ) to other versions ( including Mr. Plant's ). > > R > -----Original Message----- > From: kwil632057@aol.com > Sender: owner-avalon@smoe.org > Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 07:46:59 > To: ; > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... > > Isn't the current single Heartache by Numbers? If there's a(nother) small > child in the band, we'll know what to expect... > > Which songs would Jools be able to join in on? > > J > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Shearer > To: avalon avalon > Sent: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:19 > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Later... speculation... > > > Just personal choice but for me the first three songs are no-nos. I think > maybe Shameless would be quite good for two reasons: a) it's the latest > single > (although what differentiates a single release and whim seems a thin dividing > line) and if it was in conjunction with Groove Armada, I think it would have > a > certain cache with the "youngsters"). Oh, and third reason, I really like it. > > As for a second song, well, I like everything from tracks 4 - 9 (for me it's > been a revelation that I have grown to like so much off one BF album) but I > think some of them maybe too slow for the show. I could see him doing BF Bass > perhaps. Seeing the Robert Plant doc on UK TV this week, I thought BF's > version of Song To The Siren was far superior (haven't heard This Mortal > Coil's) and perhaps that might be a contender; perhaps it has a certain "rock > kudos" because of Buckley. > > On a superficial level, I hope he doesn't have 8 - 10 women on stage with > him. > I understand yes, that it's a spectacle and it's something for the audience > to > look at but I think it's taking away from the music. And it's what people > will > remember (and some will be disparaging about). And if he wears that b***dy > suit one more time I'll shoot myself. Surely Sunday night was the perfect > time > to dust the tuxedo off? In addition to being classy it would've added a touch > of self-deprecating humour which he seems to be pretty good at these days. > Maybe he's got a Formula 1 type sponsorship deal with Anderson & Sheperd > where > he has to wear the suit whenever he's out in public. > >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Subject: [AVALON] Later... speculation... >> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 01:02:46 -0500 >> From: kwil632057@aol.com >> >> I wonder which songs Bryan will perform? Recent TV performances have been >> mimed so Later... is likely to be a real test on the old vocal cords... >> >> J >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:50:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... On Jools, it's usually stripped down, so I'd think, if there were to be 3 songs shown over the 2 separate (and often slightly different) airings from Tuesday and Friday, I'd think it may be Tender, Siren, and Me Oh My. Very brave to attempt anything else ! Looking forward to 'live' rather than mimed, it will be fascinating. A stripped down Band, with Colin Good on Piano leading them, is what I would expect to see. Time will tell ! Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:54:21 +0000 From: helen@triffidbait.ca Subject: [AVALON] You lucky lot Well, whilst you over 'ome can all enjoy Mr F on any and every channel, flogging his best album in years; some of us will just entertain the fantasy of watching him on Top Gear. I'd give my eye teeth to see him do a lap in the Reasonably Priced Car, and I'm sure the old Stude on the cover of FYP would have to be discussed. Why not? I can't think of a better plug for Olympia than Byron Ferrari in a cheap $hitbox. (OK, I could think of a few - but none more fun!) Ciao! "Sent from my highly addictive gizmo" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 10:57:07 -0500 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... The Positively 4th Street performance you mentioned was on the Culture Show as I recall. Shameless feels unlikely to me as I think about it. Way too uptempo although I'm willing to be surprised. I suspect it'll be the piano-led tunes - Song to the Siren and Me Oh My perhaps? J - -----Original Message----- From: ct To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:38 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... Doesn't he usually do a 'stripped down' version of things on Jools? I'm sure someone can help me out here. I've got Positively 4th Street with an atmos guitar solo by Leo Abraham in my head, but that might be from elsewhere? So, what would lend itself to that? I would give my eye teeth to hear an unplugged Ferry and piano do Reason Or Rhyme a la The Only Face. The only reason I'm not falling over myself to elect it far and away the best thing Ferry's done in an age (and on Olympia) is purely down to 16secs. The 16secs of cod reggae that wreck the intro and then chugs meaninglessly under throughout (for me, The Bogus Man chug was a funk chug and the meat of the whole piece, this is just over production and pointless). The first chords that Ferry comes in with on piano practically break your heart and when I saw it as an instrumental extra on the remixed CD of the deluxe version of Olympia I thought my dream had come true to hear it more spatially aware and less filled. Unfortunately not. But Later might be the place? If not, a Ferry and piano Me Oh My might be on the cards as he's practically played it live in the guise of My Only Love. J - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Evans To: intereireann@aol.com CC: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:04 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... `as long as we don't get Lets Stick Together On 9 Nov 2010, at 13:01, intereireann@aol.com wrote: > He could do piano on Reason or Rhyme, although not quite a piece for Jules' usual " tinkling of the ivories " style....best song on album I think followed by Song To The Siren...incidentally read one review which slammed Siren because how many guitar players were on it...I think it works and preferable ( although admittedly completely different to point it could be a different song ) to other versions ( including Mr. Plant's ). > > R > -----Original Message----- > From: kwil632057@aol.com > Sender: owner-avalon@smoe.org > Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 07:46:59 > To: ; > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... > > Isn't the current single Heartache by Numbers? If there's a(nother) small > child in the band, we'll know what to expect... > > Which songs would Jools be able to join in on? > > J > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Shearer > To: avalon avalon > Sent: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:19 > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Later... speculation... > > > Just personal choice but for me the first three songs are no-nos. I think > maybe Shameless would be quite good for two reasons: a) it's the latest > single > (although what differentiates a single release and whim seems a thin dividing > line) and if it was in conjunction with Groove Armada, I think it would have > a > certain cache with the "youngsters"). Oh, and third reason, I really like it. > > As for a second song, well, I like everything from tracks 4 - 9 (for me it's > been a revelation that I have grown to like so much off one BF album) but I > think some of them maybe too slow for the show. I could see him doing BF Bass > perhaps. Seeing the Robert Plant doc on UK TV this week, I thought BF's > version of Song To The Siren was far superior (haven't heard This Mortal > Coil's) and perhaps that might be a contender; perhaps it has a certain "rock > kudos" because of Buckley. > > On a superficial level, I hope he doesn't have 8 - 10 women on stage with > him. > I understand yes, that it's a spectacle and it's something for the audience > to > look at but I think it's taking away from the music. And it's what people > will > remember (and some will be disparaging about). And if he wears that b***dy > suit one more time I'll shoot myself. Surely Sunday night was the perfect > time > to dust the tuxedo off? In addition to being classy it would've added a touch > of self-deprecating humour which he seems to be pretty good at these days. > Maybe he's got a Formula 1 type sponsorship deal with Anderson & Sheperd > where > he has to wear the suit whenever he's out in public. > >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Subject: [AVALON] Later... speculation... >> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 01:02:46 -0500 >> From: kwil632057@aol.com >> >> I wonder which songs Bryan will perform? Recent TV performances have been >> mimed so Later... is likely to be a real test on the old vocal cords... >> >> J >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:26:53 -0500 From: ct Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... Can we have an even more stripped down band and strip out Colin Good please? I've never seen anything as daft as him the other day in a bow tie playing keyboards on Shameless!! - -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Reece To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:50 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Later... speculation... On Jools, it's usually stripped down, so I'd think, if there were to be 3 songs shown over the 2 separate (and often slightly different) airings from Tuesday and Friday, I'd think it may be Tender, Siren, and Me Oh My. Very brave to attempt anything else ! Looking forward to 'live' rather than mimed, it will be fascinating. A stripped down Band, with Colin Good on Piano leading them, is what I would expect to see. Time will tell ! Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V14 #168 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest