From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V14 #106 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, September 3 2010 Volume 14 : Number 106 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] Olympia Credits - Colin Good? [Andrew Shearer Subject: RE: [AVALON] Olympia Credits - Colin Good? The Olympia credits can be found on VivaRoxyMusic.com. Looks like Colin Good has less involvement than hitherto. Andrew ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 11:34:54 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Olympia Credits - Colin Good? The credits are as clear as mud - looks a bit lime a dogs dinner and no Paul Thompson - the roxy 'reunion' spin for the albumwS a load of bollovks then Richard Evans On 2 Sep 2010, at 10:38, Andrew Shearer wrote: > The Olympia credits can be found on VivaRoxyMusic.com. Looks like Colin Good > has less involvement than hitherto. > > > > Andrew > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 08:27:55 EDT From: JohnOBrien001@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Olympia Credits - Colin Good? Song To The Siren is the only song with 4 Roxy Members on it: Bryan, Brian, Phil and Andy. Mamouna had the same 4 guys on the album but never all on the one song. If I remember right Andy and Phil were never on the same track on that album but some tracks had BF, BE and PM and some had BF, BE and AM. What I will suspect will happen with some fans is that they will make up their mind before hearing the album based on what they read on a sleeve. The album will be prejudiced for: Not being the 9th Roxy Music album Not having Paul Thompson on all the tracks Having cover versions Having some songs that were not written or recorded fully since the last album Dylanesque Why not just play the album and judge it by what we hear rather than having a preconceived dislike for the album because of knowing too much about its history. If you think of other albums we enjoy by other artists that we don't know too much about would it spoil our enjoyment of an album we have loved for years only to find out some of the songs where written during sessions for another album 10 years earlier, or that it is not the original drummer, or discover that track 4 was a cover. ' One of my favourite Rolling Stones albums is Tattoo You' and it was not until about 4 years ago when I bought it on CD for the first time and read some sleeve notes only to discover it was a compilation of unreleased leftovers. I have most of Grace Jones albums and recently discovered that my favourite album of them all 'Hurricane' had some leftovers from an unreleased project 10 years earlier. Did I have to start disliking it and seeing having some lesser worth? I don't think so. From what I heard of 'You Can Dance' from the Drums n bass Alphaville version to the totally 'unFerry' DJ Hell version I never liked this track until I heard the Olympia version which I really liked. It showed me that BF was right to never release it under his name until it was as good as it sounds now, even if that took 15 years. If this was the case we should dislike some of For Your Pleasure as Grey Lagoons was recorded in June 1971 with Dextor Lloyd on drums, so all of a sudden that is an old song on FYP without the original drummer. J.O'B. In a message dated 02/09/2010 12:34:32 GMT Daylight Time, richarde66@mac.com writes: The credits are as clear as mud - looks a bit lime a dogs dinner and no Paul Thompson - the roxy 'reunion' spin for the albumwS a load of bollovks then Richard Evans ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:46:06 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [AVALON] Olympia Credits - Colin Good? On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:27 AM, wrote: > What I will suspect will happen with some fans is that they will make up > their mind before hearing the album based on what they read on a sleeve. > > The album will be prejudiced for: > > Not being the 9th Roxy Music album > Not having Paul Thompson on all the tracks > Having cover versions > Having some songs that were not written or recorded fully since the last > album Dylanesque > > Why not just play the album and judge it by what we hear rather than having > a preconceived dislike for the album because of knowing too much about > its history. Well said, Mr. O'B. Well said. later, Miles - -- over a year of feeling guilty about not blogging enough! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 11:31:49 -0400 From: leesullivanart@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Olympia Credits - Colin Good? Of note - Mr Mackay posted his own slightly wistful footnote to the '9th Roxy Music Album' & his involvement with 'Olympia' in July. Here: http://www.themetaphors.com/index/news Worth reading carefully. Lee S PS the re-released (for quite a while now) RM & FYP vinyl LPs are worth it for the sumptuous covers alone. Shiny as the originals but no clarifoil to crack along the spines! VP is on RM, the label is a mucky Virgin one and they have 'from the Capitol Vault' on the sticker. They also include the full front/back cover art including lettering (no logos) presented as folded-in-4 posters. What do they sound like? No idea :) I may break down and buy CL too, curse them. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:03:03 EDT From: JohnOBrien001@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Olympia Credits - Colin Good? In a message dated 02/09/2010 16:46:34 GMT Daylight Time, richarde66@mac.com writes: JOB et al I will as always judge any BF album in what I hear - You Can Dance sounds quite good and better than the original I am sure you will but I am sure some won't, some will have their mind made up already. I read at the time on some forums about how bad Dylanesque was before a single note was released even in advance to the press just because it wasn't the Roxy album and it was covers. My faves are Taxi, As Time Goes By and Dylanesque. Mine are Bete Noire, and Mamouna I think my point is that according to much of the press surrounding Olympia it makes it sound like Roxy Music plays on the album which patently isn't true when TGPT is NOT on it at all "Roxy Music reunites on Bryan Ferry bOlympiab album, plays summer festivals, U.K. arenas" "Bryan Ferry recruits Roxy Music for solo album" - The Guardian I think the 'Roxy reunion' on Olympia is as you say by the press and not coming from the Ferry or Roxy camp. The press are the same people saying Roxy re-formed this year for the first time in 10 years even though the toured in 2003, 2005 & 2006. They are also saying this album is the first time Roxy members recorded together for 30+ years when Mamouna had BF,BE, AM and PM same as Olympia does. Is Dexter Lloyd really playing on Grey Lagoons as it appears on FYP?????? I think what you misunderstood what I meant, Grey Lagoons was written before June 1971 and a demo was recorded with Dexter Lloyd on drums at that time. What I meant that if we are going to diss tracks because the original drummer isn't on them or if the song was written before the previous album then Grey Lagoons on FYP should fall into that category as TGPT was not the original drummer and it was written before the debut album. I once read that Psalm was the first song BF wrote, he mentioned that Dance Away was written during the In Your Mind period, New Town began during the Manifesto sessions. I am sure there are loads more we don't know about that took a long time and several albums to actually find the right sound and arrangement to finish and release. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 12:16:39 -0400 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Olympia Credits - Colin Good? The Only Face was started in the late 1970s and completed...well, it didn't really find a definitive form until the Jools Holland album in my opinion. I always had a problem with fans moaning about stuff not being new material just because they heard earlier versions stolen from the studio. If they hadn't heard the material prior to official release, they'd be none the wiser... I guess it's the fans perogative to complain. ;-) J I once read that Psalm was the first song BF wrote, he mentioned that Dance Away was written during the In Your Mind period, New Town began during the Manifesto sessions. I am sure there are loads more we don't know about that took a long time and several albums to actually find the right sound and arrangement to finish and release. - -----Original Message----- From: JohnOBrien001@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 17:03 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Olympia Credits - Colin Good? In a message dated 02/09/2010 16:46:34 GMT Daylight Time, richarde66@mac.com writes: JOB et al I will as always judge any BF album in what I hear - You Can Dance sounds quite good and better than the original I am sure you will but I am sure some won't, some will have their mind made up already. I read at the time on some forums about how bad Dylanesque was before a single note was released even in advance to the press just because it wasn't the Roxy album and it was covers. My faves are Taxi, As Time Goes By and Dylanesque. Mine are Bete Noire, and Mamouna I think my point is that according to much of the press surrounding Olympia it makes it sound like Roxy Music plays on the album which patently isn't true when TGPT is NOT on it at all "Roxy Music reunites on Bryan Ferry bOlympiab album, plays summer festivals, U.K. arenas" "Bryan Ferry recruits Roxy Music for solo album" - The Guardian I think the 'Roxy reunion' on Olympia is as you say by the press and not coming from the Ferry or Roxy camp. The press are the same people saying Roxy re-formed this year for the first time in 10 years even though the toured in 2003, 2005 & 2006. They are also saying this album is the first time Roxy members recorded together for 30+ years when Mamouna had BF,BE, AM and PM same as Olympia does. Is Dexter Lloyd really playing on Grey Lagoons as it appears on FYP?????? I think what you misunderstood what I meant, Grey Lagoons was written before June 1971 and a demo was recorded with Dexter Lloyd on drums at that time. What I meant that if we are going to diss tracks because the original drummer isn't on them or if the song was written before the previous album then Grey Lagoons on FYP should fall into that category as TGPT was not the original drummer and it was written before the debut album. I once read that Psalm was the first song BF wrote, he mentioned that Dance Away was written during the In Your Mind period, New Town began during the Manifesto sessions. I am sure there are loads more we don't know about that took a long time and several albums to actually find the right sound and arrangement to finish and release. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:45:58 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Olympia Credits - Colin Good? JOB et al I will as always judge any BF album in what I hear - You Can Dance sounds quite good and better than the original My faves are Taxi, As Time Goes By and Dylanesque. I think my point is that according to much of the press surrounding Olympia it makes it sound like Roxy Music plays on the album which patently isn't true when TGPT is NOT on it at all "Roxy Music reunites on Bryan Ferry Olympia album, plays summer festivals, U.K. arenas" "Bryan Ferry recruits Roxy Music for solo album" - The Guardian Is Dexter Lloyd really playing on Grey Lagoons as it appears on FYP?????? I think we are all aware of ghost session players - Manifesto was a prime example which had Rick Marotta and Steve Ferrone on it - plus many of the Stones albums featured other people particularly Dirty Work which had Steve Jordan on drums not Charlie You Really Got Me didn't have the Kinks drummer on the recording Its the whole thing surrounding the new Roxy recordings that bugs me - if it wasn't right well fair enough - but there is enough comment from band members to indicate it was apart from a lack of lyrics. Then we get a Ferry solo album out of the blue which sounds as though it includes something from those sessions - (Song to the Siren) I don't mind leftovers - Prince has been dealing in them for years and still does - if its a good song its a good song Cheers Richard On 2 Sep 2010, at 13:27, JohnOBrien001@aol.com wrote: > Song To The Siren is the only song with 4 Roxy Members on it: Bryan, Brian, > Phil and Andy. Mamouna had the same 4 guys on the album but never all on > the one song. If I remember right Andy and Phil were never on the same track > on that album but some tracks had BF, BE and PM and some had BF, BE and AM. > > What I will suspect will happen with some fans is that they will make up > their mind before hearing the album based on what they read on a sleeve. > > The album will be prejudiced for: > > Not being the 9th Roxy Music album > Not having Paul Thompson on all the tracks > Having cover versions > Having some songs that were not written or recorded fully since the last > album Dylanesque > > Why not just play the album and judge it by what we hear rather than having > a preconceived dislike for the album because of knowing too much about > its history. > > If you think of other albums we enjoy by other artists that we don't know > too much about would it spoil our enjoyment of an album we have loved for > years only to find out some of the songs where written during sessions for > another album 10 years earlier, or that it is not the original drummer, or > discover that track 4 was a cover. > ' > One of my favourite Rolling Stones albums is Tattoo You' and it was not > until about 4 years ago when I bought it on CD for the first time and read > some sleeve notes only to discover it was a compilation of unreleased > leftovers. I have most of Grace Jones albums and recently discovered that my > favourite album of them all 'Hurricane' had some leftovers from an unreleased > project 10 years earlier. Did I have to start disliking it and seeing having > some lesser worth? I don't think so. > > From what I heard of 'You Can Dance' from the Drums n bass Alphaville > version to the totally 'unFerry' DJ Hell version I never liked this track until > I heard the Olympia version which I really liked. It showed me that BF was > right to never release it under his name until it was as good as it sounds > now, even if that took 15 years. > > If this was the case we should dislike some of For Your Pleasure as Grey > Lagoons was recorded in June 1971 with Dextor Lloyd on drums, so all of a > sudden that is an old song on FYP without the original drummer. > > J.O'B. > > > In a message dated 02/09/2010 12:34:32 GMT Daylight Time, > richarde66@mac.com writes: > > The credits are as clear as mud - looks a bit lime a dogs dinner and no > Paul Thompson - the roxy 'reunion' spin for the albumwS a load of bollovks > then > > Richard Evans > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:19:52 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Olympia Credits - Colin Good? Thanks for clarifying the Dexter Lloyd thing and yes agree lots of songs need time to sort Bloody journos Did Taxi have AM, PM and BE on or am I being dim - probably the latter - just checked - being dim! haha On 2 Sep 2010, at 17:03, JohnOBrien001@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 02/09/2010 16:46:34 GMT Daylight Time, > richarde66@mac.com writes: > > JOB et al > > > I will as always judge any BF album in what I hear - You Can Dance sounds > quite good and better than the original > > I am sure you will but I am sure some won't, some will have their mind made > up already. I read at the time on some forums about how bad Dylanesque was > before a single note was released even in advance to the press just > because it wasn't the Roxy album and it was covers. > > > > My faves are Taxi, As Time Goes By and Dylanesque. > > Mine are Bete Noire, and Mamouna > > > > I think my point is that according to much of the press surrounding > Olympia it makes it sound like Roxy Music plays on the album which patently > isn't > true when TGPT is NOT on it at all > > > > "Roxy Music reunites on Bryan Ferry bOlympiab album, plays summer > festivals, U.K. arenas" > > > > "Bryan Ferry recruits Roxy Music for solo album" - The Guardian > > > > > I think the 'Roxy reunion' on Olympia is as you say by the press and not > coming from the Ferry or Roxy camp. The press are the same people saying > Roxy re-formed this year for the first time in 10 years even though the > toured > in 2003, 2005 & 2006. They are also saying this album is the first time > Roxy members recorded together for 30+ years when Mamouna had BF,BE, AM and > PM same as Olympia does. > > > > > > Is Dexter Lloyd really playing on Grey Lagoons as it appears on FYP?????? > I think what you misunderstood what I meant, Grey Lagoons was written > before June 1971 and a demo was recorded with Dexter Lloyd on drums at that > time. What I meant that if we are going to diss tracks because the original > drummer isn't on them or if the song was written before the previous album > then Grey Lagoons on FYP should fall into that category as TGPT was not the > original drummer and it was written before the debut album. > > I once read that Psalm was the first song BF wrote, he mentioned that > Dance Away was written during the In Your Mind period, New Town began during > the Manifesto sessions. I am sure there are loads more we don't know about > that took a long time and several albums to actually find the right sound and > arrangement to finish and release. > > J.O'B. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:34:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Terence OConnor Subject: Re: [AVALON] Olympia Credits - Colin Good? I don't think Sweet played on their records either! I'm really looking forward to the album. Terry xx - --- On Thu, 2/9/10, Richard Evans wrote: From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Olympia Credits - Colin Good? To: JohnOBrien001@aol.com Cc: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, 2 September, 2010, 16:45 JOB et al I will as always judge any BF album in what I hear - You Can Dance sounds quite good and better than the original My faves are Taxi, As Time Goes By and Dylanesque. I think my point is that according to much of the press surrounding Olympia it makes it sound like Roxy Music plays on the album which patently isn't true when TGPT is NOT on it at all "Roxy Music reunites on Bryan Ferry Olympia album, plays summer festivals, U.K. arenas" "Bryan Ferry recruits Roxy Music for solo album" - The Guardian Is Dexter Lloyd really playing on Grey Lagoons as it appears on FYP?????? I think we are all aware of ghost session players - Manifesto was a prime example which had Rick Marotta and Steve Ferrone on it - plus many of the Stones albums featured other people particularly Dirty Work which had Steve Jordan on drums not Charlie You Really Got Me didn't have the Kinks drummer on the recording Its the whole thing surrounding the new Roxy recordings that bugs me - if it wasn't right well fair enough - but there is enough comment from band members to indicate it was apart from a lack of lyrics. Then we get a Ferry solo album out of the blue which sounds as though it includes something from those sessions - (Song to the Siren) I don't mind leftovers - Prince has been dealing in them for years and still does - if its a good song its a good song Cheers Richard On 2 Sep 2010, at 13:27, JohnOBrien001@aol.com wrote: > Song To The Siren is the only song with 4 Roxy Members on it: Bryan, Brian, > Phil and Andy. Mamouna had the same 4 guys on the album but never all on > the one song. If I remember right Andy and Phil were never on the same track > on that album but some tracks had BF, BE and PM and some had BF, BE and AM. > > What I will suspect will happen with some fans is that they will make up > their mind before hearing the album based on what they read on a sleeve. > > The album will be prejudiced for: > > Not being the 9th Roxy Music album > Not having Paul Thompson on all the tracks > Having cover versions > Having some songs that were not written or recorded fully since the last > album Dylanesque > > Why not just play the album and judge it by what we hear rather than having > a preconceived dislike for the album because of knowing too much about > its history. > > If you think of other albums we enjoy by other artists that we don't know > too much about would it spoil our enjoyment of an album we have loved for > years only to find out some of the songs where written during sessions for > another album 10 years earlier, or that it is not the original drummer, or > discover that track 4 was a cover. > ' > One of my favourite Rolling Stones albums is Tattoo You' and it was not > until about 4 years ago when I bought it on CD for the first time and read > some sleeve notes only to discover it was a compilation of unreleased > leftovers. I have most of Grace Jones albums and recently discovered that my > favourite album of them all 'Hurricane' had some leftovers from an unreleased > project 10 years earlier. Did I have to start disliking it and seeing having > some lesser worth? I don't think so. > > From what I heard of 'You Can Dance' from the Drums n bass Alphaville > version to the totally 'unFerry' DJ Hell version I never liked this track until > I heard the Olympia version which I really liked. It showed me that BF was > right to never release it under his name until it was as good as it sounds > now, even if that took 15 years. > > If this was the case we should dislike some of For Your Pleasure as Grey > Lagoons was recorded in June 1971 with Dextor Lloyd on drums, so all of a > sudden that is an old song on FYP without the original drummer. > > J.O'B. > > > In a message dated 02/09/2010 12:34:32 GMT Daylight Time, > richarde66@mac.com writes: > > The credits are as clear as mud - looks a bit lime a dogs dinner and no > Paul Thompson - the roxy 'reunion' spin for the albumwS a load of bollovks > then > > Richard Evans > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 06:40:29 +0000 From: Tracy Connell Subject: RE: [AVALON] Olympia Credits - Colin Good? I don't care about all that stuff - who's playing on what and when a song was written or recorded etc. I'm happy to have a new CD out - whether it be Bryan solo or Roxy. I know a brand new Roxy album would be great, but this one's not even out yet and people are complaining! Just be happy we have a new CD coming out! You'd be moaning if there were no release at all. Bryan has a tough job pleasing some people! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 02:49:59 -0400 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Olympia Credits - Colin Good? I think, at this stage, the pressure is too great on a Roxy Music album. - -----Original Message----- From: Tracy Connell To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 7:40 Subject: RE: [AVALON] Olympia Credits - Colin Good? I don't care about all that stuff - who's playing on what and when a song was ritten or recorded etc. I'm happy to have a new CD out - whether it be Bryan solo or Roxy. I know a brand new Roxy album would be great, but this one's not even out yet nd people are complaining! Just be happy we have a new CD coming out! You'd be moaning if there were no elease at all. Bryan has a tough job pleasing some people! __________________________________________________________________________ o unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V14 #106 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest