From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V14 #87 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, July 25 2010 Volume 14 : Number 087 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Ticket Prices and the bubble bursting.... [Andrew Shearer Subject: [AVALON] Ticket Prices and the bubble bursting.... I've seen here and elsewhere concern about ticket prices (justified I think: I'm not inclined to attend the FYP concerts at current prices inspite of the Dream Home performance last week). I saw on the BBC News this morning that many "leading" names are considering cancelling tours because of poor ticket sales. From memory I think they included: KIngs of Leon, Christina Aguilerra, Jonas Brothers. I tried to find the article on the BBC News site but couldn't, maybe it'll be posted later. But there are some other articles on the net: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128571886 http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2010/jul/23/bc-mus-jackjohnson-adv25ms-_ - -entertainment/?entertainment&national-entertainment I kind of like Jack Johnson's approach in the second article, something I suspect the diehard Roxy / BF etc fan will never experience. Whilst touching on the subject, I'll add that I thought it was shocking, when you take account the facilities that the record company / management etc have with respect to the net and the fanbase, including the excellent interfaces of VivaRoxyMusic and Roxyrama, how the tour was announced last week. Regards, Andrew _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 09:39:26 -0400 From: Graham John Fairlie Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ticket Prices and the bubble bursting.... Have to agree that the prices are absolutely outrageous. I have shelled out B#435 for 6 tickets in Glasgow (over 6 months in advance too) - but it is the 10% booking fee that really sticks in my throat. What's it for? Most tickets will be bought online and most organisations are trying to push transactions online because of the low cost of doing business this way. The excellent Glasgow Apollo site has ticket stubs for most roxy gigs there, up to '82, and charts the rising costs (starting from B#1.10) in those far off days of high inflation. http://www.inthewilderness.com/apollo/index.asps_id=1&m_id=14&action=show&band_ID=47&yr=1973#06.04.1973 Can't remember how much the 2001 tickets cost but I think around B#35 - this would have risen to around B#47 in the last decade of low inflation. All of this makes the cherry poppin daddies (cancelled) gig earlier this year look like very good value at B#11 with no booking fee - sold from the bar at the venue (King Tut's). But this tour was cancelled due to an injury to the lead singer - which in my cynicism had me thinking poor sales. There is of course an upside: the desert that was Avalon has bloomed again and we are all looking forward to the new activity - even if it stings feeling slightly ripped off. When die-hards of long standing (37 years in my case) are having to justify these prices to themselves I wonder how they will go down with the more casual fan? Half empty venues? Paul McCartney's issues with ticket sales in glasgow recently were well documented. I am also cheesed off with another big business. Apple's refusal to support flash means that as I sit poolside on holiday in Florida with only my iPhone to connect to the Internet, I can't watch the dreamhome performance from Jonathan Ross. Does it appear anywhere in mp4? Hopefully see some of you again in january ;-) Cheers. Graham Sent from my iPhone On 24 Jul 2010, at 05:54, Andrew Shearer wrote: > I've seen here and elsewhere concern about ticket prices (justified I think: > I'm not inclined to attend the FYP concerts at current prices inspite of the > Dream Home performance last week). > > I saw on the BBC News this morning that many "leading" names are considering > cancelling tours because of poor ticket sales. From memory I think they > included: KIngs of Leon, Christina Aguilerra, Jonas Brothers. I tried to find > the article on the BBC News site but couldn't, maybe it'll be posted later. > But there are some other articles on the net: > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128571886 > > http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2010/jul/23/bc-mus-jackjohnson-adv25ms-_ > -entertainment/?entertainment&national-entertainment > > I kind of like Jack Johnson's approach in the second article, something I > suspect the diehard Roxy / BF etc fan will never experience. Whilst touching > on the subject, I'll add that I thought it was shocking, when you take account > the facilities that the record company / management etc have with respect to > the net and the fanbase, including the excellent interfaces of VivaRoxyMusic > and Roxyrama, how the tour was announced last week. > > Regards, > > Andrew > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ > We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us > now > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 16:02:34 +0000 From: Andrew Shearer Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ticket Prices and the bubble bursting.... I believe if you hold the phone the right way, it'll play Flash material. (Sorry, a very poor joke regarding Apple's attennae problems) > CC: avalon@smoe.org > From: graham.john.fairlie@ntlworld.com > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ticket Prices and the bubble bursting.... > Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 09:39:26 -0400 > To: shearerandrew@hotmail.com > > Have to agree that the prices are absolutely outrageous. I have shelled out #435 for 6 tickets in Glasgow (over 6 months in advance too) - but it is the 10% booking fee that really sticks in my throat. What's it for? Most tickets will be bought online and most organisations are trying to push transactions online because of the low cost of doing business this way. > > The excellent Glasgow Apollo site has ticket stubs for most roxy gigs there, up to '82, and charts the rising costs (starting from #1.10) in those far off days of high inflation. > > http://www.inthewilderness.com/apollo/index.asps_id=1&m_id=14&action=show&ban d_ID=47&yr=1973#06.04.1973 > > Can't remember how much the 2001 tickets cost but I think around #35 - this would have risen to around #47 in the last decade of low inflation. > > All of this makes the cherry poppin daddies (cancelled) gig earlier this year look like very good value at #11 with no booking fee - sold from the bar at the venue (King Tut's). But this tour was cancelled due to an injury to the lead singer - which in my cynicism had me thinking poor sales. > > There is of course an upside: the desert that was Avalon has bloomed again and we are all looking forward to the new activity - even if it stings feeling slightly ripped off. > > When die-hards of long standing (37 years in my case) are having to justify these prices to themselves I wonder how they will go down with the more casual fan? Half empty venues? Paul McCartney's issues with ticket sales in glasgow recently were well documented. > > I am also cheesed off with another big business. Apple's refusal to support flash means that as I sit poolside on holiday in Florida with only my iPhone to connect to the Internet, I can't watch the dreamhome performance from Jonathan Ross. Does it appear anywhere in mp4? > > Hopefully see some of you again in january ;-) > > Cheers. > > Graham > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 24 Jul 2010, at 05:54, Andrew Shearer wrote: > > > I've seen here and elsewhere concern about ticket prices (justified I think: > > I'm not inclined to attend the FYP concerts at current prices inspite of the > > Dream Home performance last week). > > > > I saw on the BBC News this morning that many "leading" names are considering > > cancelling tours because of poor ticket sales. From memory I think they > > included: KIngs of Leon, Christina Aguilerra, Jonas Brothers. I tried to find > > the article on the BBC News site but couldn't, maybe it'll be posted later. > > But there are some other articles on the net: > > > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128571886 > > > > http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2010/jul/23/bc-mus-jackjohnson-adv25ms-_ > > -entertainment/?entertainment&national-entertainment > > > > I kind of like Jack Johnson's approach in the second article, something I > > suspect the diehard Roxy / BF etc fan will never experience. Whilst touching > > on the subject, I'll add that I thought it was shocking, when you take account > > the facilities that the record company / management etc have with respect to > > the net and the fanbase, including the excellent interfaces of VivaRoxyMusic > > and Roxyrama, how the tour was announced last week. > > > > Regards, > > > > Andrew > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ > > We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us > > now > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:13:30 -0400 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ticket Prices and the bubble bursting.... Great post Andrew. The annoucement of the new Roxy tour (is it just me or does it feel like they haven't really stopped touring since 2001) was handled badly. It seemed to clash with the unveiling of the new solo Ferry album although I suspect the PR strategy was to score a 'double whammy'. I do think that the PR has been a lot better in recent times but there is still a long way to go on evidence of this. As to ticket prices. Too expensive. I can understand the Madonnas of this world charging a fair whack - they do, after all have far more elaborate stage shows - but it's frankly way too much, especially given these tough financial times. I have a nasty feeling they will struggle to fill the 02. Possibly coincidentally, there is a strong rumour that the next Stones tour (their 50th anniversary) will be their last. Apparently this is because of age, but i wonder if ticket sales is another consideration? J I'll add that I thought it was shocking, when you take account he facilities that the record company / management etc have with respect to he net and the fanbase, including the excellent interfaces of VivaRoxyMusic nd Roxyrama, how the tour was announced last week. - -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Shearer To: avalon avalon Sent: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:54 Subject: [AVALON] Ticket Prices and the bubble bursting.... I've seen here and elsewhere concern about ticket prices (justified I think: 'm not inclined to attend the FYP concerts at current prices inspite of the ream Home performance last week). I saw on the BBC News this morning that many "leading" names are considering ancelling tours because of poor ticket sales. From memory I think they ncluded: KIngs of Leon, Christina Aguilerra, Jonas Brothers. I tried to find he article on the BBC News site but couldn't, maybe it'll be posted later. ut there are some other articles on the net: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128571886 http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2010/jul/23/bc-mus-jackjohnson-adv25ms-_ entertainment/?entertainment&national-entertainment I kind of like Jack Johnson's approach in the second article, something I uspect the diehard Roxy / BF etc fan will never experience. Whilst touching n the subject, I'll add that I thought it was shocking, when you take account he facilities that the record company / management etc have with respect to he net and the fanbase, including the excellent interfaces of VivaRoxyMusic nd Roxyrama, how the tour was announced last week. Regards, Andrew _________________________________________________________________ ttp://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ e want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us ow __________________________________________________________________________ o unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:30:36 EDT From: InterEireann@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Any Requests? Indulging in pure fantasy, besides the obvious play list ( and long lost wants e.g Beauty Queen ) for upcoming tour, is it worth speculating and longing after any others? Even if it is not and even as an unreconstructed first 3 albums fan...after listening to CL tonight, would love to hear any or all of The Thrill of It All, All I Want Is You and/or Prairie Rose ( which I last saw/heard at Koko in July 2005, others not since original tour to support album ). Little or no chance I suppose R ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:52:15 EDT From: InterEireann@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Any Requests? ..I should say that I am sure they have been played since 1974-75 tour but not as most recent manifestation of Roxy Music .. In a message dated 25/07/2010 02:40:25 GMT Daylight Time, InterEireann@aol.com writes: Indulging in pure fantasy, besides the obvious play list ( and long lost wants e.g Beauty Queen ) for upcoming tour, is it worth speculating and longing after any others? Even if it is not and even as an unreconstructed first 3 albums fan...after listening to CL tonight, would love to hear any or all of The Thrill of It All, All I Want Is You and/or Prairie Rose ( which I last saw/heard at Koko in July 2005, others not since original tour to support album ). Little or no chance I suppose R ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 07:54:35 +0000 From: Andrew Shearer Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ticket Prices and the bubble bursting.... Thanks Jonathan. Always reluctant to post negative thoughts (and indeed nervous about logging in later) but for me I do think there's been a culmination of a lack of respect for the fans who spend a lot of money on BF and Roxy. Yes, I know the fans don't have to, but that's a dangerous game to play on BF's / Roxy's part: I know I'm not alone in chosing not to see them this time around,even though it might be the last opportunity. Although I personally didn't loose out, I still haven't forgotten the debacle a few years back when Ferry had throat problems: instead of having the guts to cancel the remainder of his tour, he continued, resulting in short sets and cancelled gigs at the last minute which I'm sure left many fans out of pocket for their travel costs. One promoter I spoke to at the time said he'd never work with him again. And yes, I'd forgotten to mention that: I'm sure it's no coincedence that a high profile tour is announced at the same time as a BF record. Though I guess there is something poetic in that: Roxy used as a marketing tool for BF. It's all a bit too cynical (although I know marketing is cynical) and high-handed for me. Where's Sid Vicious when you need him. To: shearerandrew@hotmail.com; avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ticket Prices and the bubble bursting.... Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:13:30 -0400 From: kwil632057@aol.com Great post Andrew. The annoucement of the new Roxy tour (is it just me or does it feel like they haven't really stopped touring since 2001) was handled badly. It seemed to clash with the unveiling of the new solo Ferry album although I suspect the PR strategy was to score a 'double whammy'. I do think that the PR has been a lot better in recent times but there is still a long way to go on evidence of this. As to ticket prices. Too expensive. I can understand the Madonnas of this world charging a fair whack - they do, after all have far more elaborate stage shows - but it's frankly way too much, especially given these tough financial times. I have a nasty feeling they will struggle to fill the 02. Possibly coincidentally, there is a strong rumour that the next Stones tour (their 50th anniversary) will be their last. Apparently this is because of age, but i wonder if ticket sales is another consideration? J I'll add that I thought it was shocking, when you take account the facilities that the record company / management etc have with respect to the net and the fanbase, including the excellent interfaces of VivaRoxyMusic and Roxyrama, how the tour was announced last week. - -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Shearer To: avalon avalon Sent: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:54 Subject: [AVALON] Ticket Prices and the bubble bursting.... I've seen here and elsewhere concern about ticket prices (justified I think: I'm not inclined to attend the FYP concerts at current prices inspite of the Dream Home performance last week). I saw on the BBC News this morning that many "leading" names are considering cancelling tours because of poor ticket sales. From memory I think they included: KIngs of Leon, Christina Aguilerra, Jonas Brothers. I tried to find the article on the BBC News site but couldn't, maybe it'll be posted later. But there are some other articles on the net: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128571886 http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2010/jul/23/bc-mus-jackjohnson-adv25ms-_ - -entertainment/?entertainment&national-entertainment I kind of like Jack Johnson's approach in the second article, something I suspect the diehard Roxy / BF etc fan will never experience. Whilst touching on the subject, I'll add that I thought it was shocking, when you take account the facilities that the record company / management etc have with respect to the net and the fanbase, including the excellent interfaces of VivaRoxyMusic and Roxyrama, how the tour was announced last week. Regards, Andrew _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V14 #87 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest