From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V13 #119 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, August 24 2009 Volume 13 : Number 119 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Ferry Solo Album ... whither Avalon [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry Solo Album ... whither Avalon ["Michiel van Sleen" ] RE: [AVALON] Ferry Solo Album ... whither Avalon [cor broersen ] RE: [AVALON] all styles welcome here [] Re: [AVALON] all styles welcome here ["K B Porter" ] Re: [AVALON] all styles welcome here [Johnny Reece Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Solo Album ... whither Avalon That's hilarious, coming from someone who thought Cor Broersen's post was an "Excellent post - and that's all there is to it". Cor seriously tried to convince us (apart from the misconception that I have a rope hanging from my ass) that it's okay for an artist to keep releasing the same album repeatedly, each time with a different cover: "So what's your point a lot of criebaby over a compilationalbum release. You might compare it to yet another beerlabel for the same old drink. Just drink your pint and pls shut up complaining over a new package." Has there ever been any artist with more "best offs" and just as few new releases as Bryan Ferry? I doubt it. In fact the "other side" can't take any criticism,and that's what a discussion group is all about. Of course I would love to be positive all the time about Ferry's output, but that's become a bit hard, especially since the She duet. Like Rob I was a big fan in my youth and onwards, and still love the music from that era. But our social climbing fool for love should really start climbing out of his own ass and into his bunker if he knows what's right for him. There's an interesting aspect to this polemic, notably that the "other side" at first glance could seem to be the positive one, and "this side" the negative (critical) one, but in fact they're the intolerant ones. We care about Ferry's music and want it to be good. They're fawning followers. We're his honest friends. They're blank, we're frank. If you can't take criticism, you've probably got a bad conscience, or don't believe in your own cause. Everyone's free to kick ass or to lick ass. For the latter option you'd better go to Facebook. And stay there. Michiel - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Solo Album ... whither Avalon > Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, right? No. Everybody is > entitled to an informed opinion. > > When there is a load of guff put on the list about 'Ferry putting out > another greatest hits package' > and his so called 'greed' is attacked then, sadly, it is the uninformed > but > oh so loud minority who > charge in with typically dull and unfunny opinions. And they are merely a > repeat of the same posts > that plagued the list the last time a 'Best of' was issued by the record > company. > > Martin, you are correct. Why do folk bother to post negative, witless > views > that are taxing to read > and offer nothing to our own knowledge and appreciation of Ferry's music > and career? There is a bright > and vibrant body of work here. It'd be interesting to discuss that rather > than a load of whinnying about > there being another greatests hits CD in the shops. > > Music is meant to be enjoyed...or so I thought. > > J > > > > In a message dated 22/08/2009 13:42:25 GMT Standard Time, > martinstockman@btinternet.com writes: > > Thesis: Avalon is populated by grumpy old men who think Ferry's gone > downhill since The Bogus Man. This "discussion group" is quite simply > unrepresentative of the Ferry/Roxy gloabl demographic. Compare and > contrast > with, say, the Bryan Ferry Facebook group (over 3,000 members,) whose > members universally greet the news of a new album with unconstrained joy. > Why don't the curmudgeons here set up their own online group that > reflects > their blinkered opinions? Please! > pip pip > Martino x > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:33:05 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Solo Album ... whither Avalon Alan, So far, I've really enjoyed the covers you have posted on the Myspace page. What's interesting to me is that the covers chosen seem to be a deliberate attempt to do what Ferry himself would have done: that is perform a version that offers a something very different to the original. Given how many 'straight' covers are kicking around these days, it's refreshing to see some risks being taken and, on the evidence so far, paying off handsomely! It'd be fascinating to know what Bryan thinks of the CD. Can't wait to hear the full album, J In a message dated 22/08/2009 15:38:30 GMT Standard Time, burningskyrecords@gmail.com writes: I've always thought that if the overall Roxy Music fan base represented rock music in general, that Avalon represented Roxy Music. In other words, Avalon was where the cool, hip people hung out and discussed things over and above what the "average" Roxy Music fan would care about. When I first joined the list god knows how many years ago, I couldn't believe that there was a group of like-minded people who not only shared my incredible passion for the band and for their music, but who also were such great people in and of themselves. I've come to know any befriend so many amazing people as a result of Avalon - it's been a fantastic experience. I agree that the list does have a different tone these days, and I am disappointed that there is so much weird personal infighting going on. Some of it is understandable, given that there hasn't been a steady stream of new Roxy-related news. That could be an understatement, given that there's been no proper "new" Roxy album since Avalon, but that said, we are lucky in many ways that a) all of our Roxy Music heroes are still around (seriously), and b) that they are still putting out new and interesting music. I certainly would much rather hear a new Roxy Music album than a new Bryan Ferry solo album, but I am looking forward to the March 2010 release to see what Mr. Ferry has come up with. Anyway, as you know, I am trying to do what I can to combat any perceived dearth in Roxy-related releases. I've posted two more tracks from the upcoming 42-track, 3-CD Deluxe & Delightful Edition of Take Refuge In Pleasure: The Songs of Roxy Music Revisited on our MySpace page ( www.myspace.com/songsofroxymusicrevisited). We usually only post one track at a time, but I couldn't post our cover of "Manifesto" without also posting our cover of "Trash." UK band Catwalk tackles "Manifesto," and Us artist Steven Wright-Mark covers "Trash." I really like both covers, but as always, I am interested in what my fellow Avalonians think. Since a few people have asked me, the release date for both the 15-track, One-Disc Version and the 42-track, 3-CD Deluxe & Delightful Edition is September 15th. I am not trying to be a shameless shill, but we only have around 600 copies of the Deluxe & Delightful Edition left. The One-Disc Version will come in a traditional jewel case while the Deluxe & Delightful Edition will come in a custom-designed, glossy "mini LP sleeve" featuring the lovely Sheridyn Fisher in the Peacock Photo on the cover. Each of the three discs will be packaged in its own unique slipcover, each with a different gorgeous Cover Model, and with its own unique Roxy-style design. I have tried really hard to do this right! Okay, that's it for now. I hope that you like "Manifesto" and "Trash"! Cheers, Alan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:17:36 +0200 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Solo Album ... whither Avalon 'Lick ass' it is. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Solo Album ... whither Avalon > Alan, > > So far, I've really enjoyed the covers you have posted on the Myspace > page. > What's interesting to me > is that the covers chosen seem to be a deliberate attempt to do what Ferry > himself would have done: that is perform a > version that offers a something very different to the original. Given how > many 'straight' covers are kicking around these days, > it's refreshing to see some risks being taken and, on the evidence so > far, > paying off handsomely! It'd be fascinating to know > what Bryan thinks of the CD. > > Can't wait to hear the full album, > > J > > > In a message dated 22/08/2009 15:38:30 GMT Standard Time, > burningskyrecords@gmail.com writes: > > I've always thought that if the overall Roxy Music fan base represented > rock > music in general, that Avalon represented Roxy Music. In other words, > Avalon was where the cool, hip people hung out and discussed things over > and > above what the "average" Roxy Music fan would care about. When I first > joined the list god knows how many years ago, I couldn't believe that > there > was a group of like-minded people who not only shared my incredible > passion > for the band and for their music, but who also were such great people in > and > of themselves. I've come to know any befriend so many amazing people as > a > result of Avalon - it's been a fantastic experience. > > I agree that the list does have a different tone these days, and I am > disappointed that there is so much weird personal infighting going on. > Some > of it is understandable, given that there hasn't been a steady stream of > new > Roxy-related news. That could be an understatement, given that there's > been > no proper "new" Roxy album since Avalon, but that said, we are lucky in > many > ways that a) all of our Roxy Music heroes are still around (seriously), > and > b) that they are still putting out new and interesting music. I > certainly > would much rather hear a new Roxy Music album than a new Bryan Ferry solo > album, but I am looking forward to the March 2010 release to see what Mr. > Ferry has come up with. > > Anyway, as you know, I am trying to do what I can to combat any > perceived dearth in Roxy-related releases. I've posted two more tracks > from > the upcoming 42-track, 3-CD Deluxe & Delightful Edition of Take Refuge In > Pleasure: The Songs of Roxy Music Revisited on our MySpace page ( > www.myspace.com/songsofroxymusicrevisited). We usually only post one > track > at a time, but I couldn't post our cover of "Manifesto" without also > posting > our cover of "Trash." UK band Catwalk tackles "Manifesto," and Us artist > Steven Wright-Mark covers "Trash." I really like both covers, but as > always, I am interested in what my fellow Avalonians think. > > Since a few people have asked me, the release date for both the 15-track, > One-Disc Version and the 42-track, 3-CD Deluxe & Delightful Edition is > September 15th. I am not trying to be a shameless shill, but we only > have > around 600 copies of the Deluxe & Delightful Edition left. The One-Disc > Version will come in a traditional jewel case while the Deluxe & > Delightful > Edition will come in a custom-designed, glossy "mini LP sleeve" featuring > the lovely Sheridyn Fisher in the Peacock Photo on the cover. Each of the > three discs will be packaged in its own unique slipcover, each with a > different gorgeous Cover Model, and with its own unique Roxy-style > design. > I have tried really hard to do this right! > > Okay, that's it for now. I hope that you like "Manifesto" and "Trash"! > > Cheers, > Alan > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:23:46 -0400 From: jencohn201@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Solo Album ... whither Avalon Having a positive attitude and a sunny disposition doesn't make someone an ass licker. It makes them fun and enjoyable to be around. So I merrily delete, delete, delete and remain grateful for the positive posts that make their way through. I'm no fawning follower. I simply enjoy what I enjoy. If there is no enjoyment left in it for you, just move on. You'll be happier. With gratitude, Jen Ummm you do know, we really aren't Bryan's real life friends right?? They're fawning followers. We're his honest friends.? They're blank, we're frank.? ? If you can't take criticism, you've probably got a bad conscience, or don't believe in your own cause.? ? Everyone's free to kick ass or to lick ass. For the latter option you'd better go to Facebook.? And stay there.? ? Michiel? To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon? ? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:57:06 +0200 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Solo Album ... whither Avalon Besides from apparently having the same question-mark bug as Jocelyn, or not being able to voice your thoughts properly, you've missed the point completely. Jonathan all of a sudden replied to an old message from Alan Heaton when I confronted him with his rudeness. That's why I provoked him with the ass licking-remark. Not that I expect any miracles from him, nor from you. After all the rude and condenscending terms Jonathan's used to describe the people who dare to be negative on Avalon, now and many times in the past, it baffles me that you would consider him positive, sunny and fun to be with. Then you probably thought Cor's outburst was nice too. That would prove your insanity and render you unfit for civil conversation. Avalon from the beginning has been about exchanging opinions, negative ones as well as positive ones. Read the rules! Or delete them, what do I care? There's enough positive things to talk about here, especially things from the Ferry and Roxy past. But as long as certain arrogant snobs keep replying with condenscension, many of us will refrain from doing so. So let's first put them in their place (and throw away the key). This is where Colleen should step in. I'm off now, for a party with real friends. Don't worry, not with Bryan Ferry. He's cross with me as well. Michiel - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Solo Album ... whither Avalon > Having a positive attitude and a sunny disposition doesn't make someone an > ass licker. It makes them fun and enjoyable to be around. So I merrily > delete, delete, delete and remain grateful for the positive posts that > make their way through. I'm no fawning follower. I simply enjoy what I > enjoy. If there is no enjoyment left in it for you, just move on. You'll > be happier. > > > With gratitude, > Jen > > > > > Ummm you do know, we really aren't Bryan's real life friends right?? > > > > > > > > > They're fawning followers. We're his honest friends.? > > They're blank, we're frank.? > ? > > If you can't take criticism, you've probably got a bad conscience, or > don't > believe in your own cause.? > ? > > Everyone's free to kick ass or to lick ass. For the latter option you'd > better go to Facebook.? > > And stay there.? > ? > > Michiel? > > > > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon? > ? > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:11:56 -0400 From: Colleen Tucker Subject: [AVALON] all styles welcome here I'm not sure why I have to act like a parent to a group of middle-aged people, but if I must, then beware of timeouts coming. This list is not for people who hold a specific viewpoint: it is for all Roxy/Ferry fans. Just as one's man's trash is another's treasure, one man's witty is another's pompous. Nonetheless, all are welcome. Furthermore, no one has the right to tell anyone that they can't post here and have to go somewhere else. I've had enough of grown people acting like children. No one has to like everyone, but you are expected to deal with your dislike as an adult. Just about every mail program has a filter system: use it. Also the private lobbying emails about who I should ban can stop, as well as the public calls for banning. I can't believe I have to spend time on nonsense like this. Colleen Sent from my iPhone ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:40:56 +0200 From: cor broersen Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry Solo Album ... whither Avalon There was one mail from me where i suggested that A Certain Persona should stop insulting people on list and if not please be banned. Just an opinion. Thats All folks!!! Don't let the use of my name in all those posts (weeeeyyy im getting famous mummy) suggest that there is more to it, this is and elephant turned mouse. Btw, anyone knows what part of "Fool for Love" this lyric comes from, "But our social climbing fool for love should really start climbing out of his own ass and into his bunker if he knows what's right for him." or am i mistaken a "opinion over roxy music and bryan ferry" for a lyric... oh well I probably have not listened good enough. shaken not stalked... Fool for love in the Blue fish....LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxM3YwBoM8s _________________________________________________________________ 25GB gratis online harde schijf http://skydrive.live.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:03:49 -0400 From: "K B Porter" Subject: Re: [AVALON] all styles welcome here God is Great Beer is Good People are Crazy! Has anyone considered the idea that perhaps Mr. Ferry feels no pressing need to dig-in at the dug-out? Perhaps he is doing just as he pleases: No amount of fanning and fawning on-list will influence him... no amount of hemming and hawing should bother him Live and Let Live. Respect yourself and others, for Life is but a Dream, and Tomorrow shall all fade away... Expect nothing and find surprise. Happy Trails. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:33:42 +0100 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] all styles welcome here Yes KBP I think that is exactly what Ferry is doing these days - as he pleases. Quite right too. What though changed you from a fan big enough to join a discussion list into a person who didn't listen to Ferrys last album? Cheers Rob - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of K B Porter Sent: 23 August 2009 17:04 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] all styles welcome here God is Great Beer is Good People are Crazy! Has anyone considered the idea that perhaps Mr. Ferry feels no pressing need to dig-in at the dug-out? Perhaps he is doing just as he pleases: No amount of fanning and fawning on-list will influence him... no amount of hemming and hawing should bother him Live and Let Live. Respect yourself and others, for Life is but a Dream, and Tomorrow shall all fade away... Expect nothing and find surprise. Happy Trails. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:13:36 -0400 From: "K B Porter" Subject: Re: [AVALON] all styles welcome here Rob asks: "What though changed you from a fan big enough to join a discussion list into a person who didn't listen to Ferrys last album? " Very good question, Rob. I am a fan of Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry, I came that way through the solo works of Bryan Ferry circa 1980's. The sophisticated style and lyrics exhibited in Boys and Girls and Bjte Noire inspired my inner being (struck a chord, if you will). I felt that these albums were superb - better than other contemporary music I was exposed to at the time - I thought, there would be nothing better to come. But I was proved wrong with the release of Mamouna! ((Taxi was a very satisfying covers albums (I very seldom like covers - I feel singers do them because they are too lazy and/or too dull to create original work) as Mr. Ferry really did rework several of the originals and 'made them his own'.)) As Time Goes By was tolerable as I enjoy classics popularized by glamour cinema. Frantic was uninspiring to the point that the advent of another covers album, Dylanesque, had left me filled with overwhelming ambivalence - could the genius and muses of Bryan Ferry really have died? I pray and hope but not too much - psychologically and emotionally I have distanced myself, out of reach is out of touch - I refuse to be a blind and loyal fan who cannot rationally evaluate the object of their fanaticism, all the way is far enough - I don't want to watch Mr. Ferry's decent into oblivion. Shortly said, I haven't the heart to rethink my supposition that, perhaps, Mr. Ferry is by choice winding down his career. I had for a very long time held high-in-the-sky, apple-pie hopes for him, I still do. Subsequently, I haven't much to add to Avalonians' supposed onversations. - I am too numb to withstand the politically correct. For a long time I really cared about the list, but the more things change the more they remain the same. We still have our presumed elite who care not to play nicely with the kids from 'the wrong side of the tracks'... Please, if I have offended anyone reading this who feels a nasty reply is in order, beware I will not be kindly disposed. Rob, I hope I have articulated my position. I am a Bryan Ferry fan and will remain so, but I find no reason toward zealotry. (Even Zarathustra, another time loser...) Best Wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:44:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: Re: [AVALON] all styles welcome here Every idol a bringdown. It gets you down, but we all have to live with it. Having been involved with cd releases and the like, for another record company, I have seen how artists have no control - it's the way it is these days. I could bleat forever too of how the last thing I want to see is another compilation. In fact, I have, privately. But I have no doubt whatsoever that he has no choice re the release, the cover, the tracklistings, anything. I don't want it either, but such is life. As for a muse disappearing, I think we all know that. We want it to spark back into life, it's why we are all here. It probably won't. That's ok. I may not have enjoyed the last 2 Albums very much, but the last tour was a joy, if only for gems such as TIE and WSWITR and LMMA. More of the same ? I'd settle for that, tour wise. I want Roxy, of course, but maybe it's our youths we all really want. How profound ! But we did get it back in 2001. I'd like that again. I will settle though for a new BF Album next year, no matter how many supermarket-demanded compilations come in between. Muses. Where do they go ? We'll never know. Reecey... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:03:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Victor Hastings Subject: Re: [AVALON] all styles welcome here Parkinson's Law = bad money drives out good. Something analogous has happened to Avalon over the past several years, unfortunately. But it is good to see Martin, Johnny, KBP, Rob et al. chiming in. Might drive out the bad money. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:32:38 +0000 From: adrian jackson Subject: RE: [AVALON] all styles welcome here Hi, I agree with KBP's comment "I refuse to be a blind and loyal fan who cannot rationally evaluate the object of their fanaticism". Here's my 2 cents worth; Like many of you, I own everything that RM and BF released, officially and unofficially. I could be described as a loyal fan, but not blind. I don't like all the music that I own, but I had to buy it and listen to it before I could form my opinion. It's surely about personal taste. I prefer ATGB, Frantic and Dylanesque to Bete Noir and Ferry's first two solo albums. It was Frantic that led to my love of his music. Watching Jools Holland one night I saw BF singing 'Don't Think Twice...' - just him on vocals and harmonica and Colin Good on piano. It blew me away and the next day I went out and bought 10 various Ferry and Roxy CDs. Thus began the love affair. It's possible that someone out there got turned on to BF's music (or perhaps Bob Dylan's) through listening to Dylanesque or watching BF perform a song from it. I hope so. So yes - All styles welcome here. Adrian. PS. I would love a new Roxy album, but a Ferry one will do. I hope there's some original material. My favourite Ferry albums are 'In Your Mind' and 'Mamouna'. > From: kbporter@verizon.net > To: avalon@smoe.org; rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk > Subject: Re: [AVALON] all styles welcome here > Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:13:36 -0400 > > Rob asks: "What though changed you from a fan big enough to join a > discussion list into > a person who didn't listen to Ferrys last album? " > > Very good question, Rob. > > I am a fan of Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry, I came that way through the solo > works of Bryan Ferry circa 1980's. The sophisticated style and lyrics > exhibited in Boys and Girls and Bjte Noire inspired my inner being (struck a > chord, if you will). I felt that these albums were superb - better than > other contemporary music I was exposed to at the time - I thought, there > would be nothing better to come. But I was proved wrong with the release > of Mamouna! ((Taxi was a very satisfying covers albums (I very seldom like > covers - I feel singers do them because they are too lazy and/or too dull to > create original work) as Mr. Ferry really did rework several of the > originals and 'made them his own'.)) > > As Time Goes By was tolerable as I enjoy classics popularized by glamour > cinema. Frantic was uninspiring to the point that the advent of another > covers album, Dylanesque, had left me filled with overwhelming ambivalence - > could the genius and muses of Bryan Ferry really have died? I pray and hope > but not too much - psychologically and emotionally I have distanced myself, > out of reach is out of touch - I refuse to be a blind and loyal fan who > cannot rationally evaluate the object of their fanaticism, all the way is > far enough - I don't want to watch Mr. Ferry's decent into oblivion. > Shortly said, I haven't the heart to rethink my supposition that, perhaps, > Mr. Ferry is by choice winding down his career. I had for a very long time > held high-in-the-sky, apple-pie hopes for him, I still do. > > Subsequently, I haven't much to add to Avalonians' supposed > onversations. - I am too numb to withstand the politically correct. For a > long time I really cared about the list, but the more things change the more > they remain the same. We still have our presumed elite who care not to play > nicely with the kids from 'the wrong side of the tracks'... > > Please, if I have offended anyone reading this who feels a nasty reply is in > order, beware I will not be kindly disposed. > > Rob, I hope I have articulated my position. I am a Bryan Ferry fan and > will remain so, but I find no reason toward zealotry. (Even Zarathustra, > another time loser...) > > Best Wishes. KBP > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. http://extras.uk.msn.com/internet-explorer-8/?ocid=T010MSN07A0716U ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:16:24 +0100 From: "Mark Heptinstall" <4yourpleasure@smarden.wanadoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [AVALON] all styles welcome here Bad money drives out good is Gresham's law. Parkinson's law is that work expands to fill the time available for its completion - which turning to the subject of waiting for a new Ferry album might also be apposite. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Hastings" To: Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:03 AM Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [AVALON] all styles welcome here > > Parkinson's Law = bad money drives out good. > > Something analogous has happened to Avalon over the past several years, > unfortunately. But it is good to see Martin, Johnny, KBP, Rob et al. > chiming in. Might drive out the bad money. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:30:18 +0100 From: Martino Subject: Re: [AVALON] all styles welcome here The elusive muse plays a part but the search for perfection, his own predilection, is also a challenge to output. I fully appreciate how fearful the old boy must be of releasing a Roxy album that is sub- standard. You could argue that by releasing a solo album - where only his reputation is at stake - is a brave way of diverting attention from the clamour for new Roxy material. In reality, I suspect, he is less sure about the quality of work co-penned with AM and PM. Were the last 2 albums that bad? The last tour was a triumph for sure. Martino www.martinode.com Sent from my iPhone On 24 Aug 2009, at 00:44, Johnny Reece wrote: > Every idol a bringdown. > > It gets you down, but we all have to live with it. > Having been involved with cd releases and the like, for another > record company, I have seen how artists have no control - it's the > way it is these days. > I could bleat forever too of how the last thing I want to see is > another compilation. In fact, I have, privately. > > But I have no doubt whatsoever that he has no choice re the release, > the cover, the tracklistings, anything. > I don't want it either, but such is life. > > As for a muse disappearing, I think we all know that. We want it to > spark back into life, it's why we are all here. It probably won't. > That's ok. I may not have enjoyed the last 2 Albums very much, but > the last tour was a joy, if only for gems such as TIE and WSWITR and > LMMA. > More of the same ? I'd settle for that, tour wise. > > I want Roxy, of course, but maybe it's our youths we all really > want. How profound ! But we did get it back in 2001. I'd like that > again. I will settle though for a new BF Album next year, no matter > how many supermarket-demanded compilations come in between. > > Muses. Where do they go ? > > We'll never know. > > Reecey... > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 02:38:08 -0400 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] all styles welcome here Exactly. This is clearly a spearhead for the release of the new album and what might follow the solo album. To us it's yet another greatest hits but to the public who study these things less closely?it is a chance to get all the hits in one place - thought they might already have them.There's no harm in reminding them of the man's impressive body of work. I just hope the record company are canny enough to squeeze at least a couple of?new songs out of him to make the album essential for the die hards...??? J But I have no doubt whatsoever that he has no choice re the release, the cover, the tracklistings, anything. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 03:49:21 -0400 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] all styles welcome here Very true. The problem with long awaited albums is the longer you leave it, the heavier the weight of expectation. Roxy have left it a long, long time.? Remember the recent Guns n' Roses debacle? Over a decade of delay, missed release dates and hype and what happened? A perfectly fine album (had it been released a year or so after the last) scarcely tickled the charts. The only similar act making a comeback I can recall of recent years was Blondie a decade or so ago. Number one hit single, successful album and then back to touring with a greatest hits set. J The elusive muse plays a part but the search for perfection, his own predilection, is also a challenge to output. I fully appreciate how fearful the old boy must be of releasing a Roxy album that is sub-standard. You could argue that by releasing a solo album - where only his reputation is at stake - is a brave way of diverting attention from the clamour for new Roxy material. In reality, I suspect, he is less sure about the quality of work co-penned with AM and PM.? ? - -----Original Message----- From: Martino To: Johnny Reece CC: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 7:30 Subject: Re: [AVALON] all styles welcome here The elusive muse plays a part but the search for perfection, his own predilection, is also a challenge to output. I fully appreciate how fearful the old boy must be of releasing a Roxy album that is sub-standard. You could argue that by releasing a solo album - where only his reputation is at stake - is a brave way of diverting attention from the clamour for new Roxy material. In reality, I suspect, he is less sure about the quality of work co-penned with AM and PM.? ? Were the last 2 albums that bad? The last tour was a triumph for sure.? ? Martino? www.martinode.com? ? Sent from my iPhone? ? On 24 Aug 2009, at 00:44, Johnny Reece wrote:? ? > Every idol a bringdown.? >? > It gets you down, but we all have to live with it.? > Having been involved with cd releases and the like, for another > record company, I have seen how artists have no control - it's the > way it is these days.? > I could bleat forever too of how the last thing I want to see is > another compilation. In fact, I have, privately.? >? > But I have no doubt whatsoever that he has no choice re the release, > the cover, the tracklistings, anything.? > I don't want it either, but such is life.? >? > As for a muse disappearing, I think we all know that. We want it to > spark back into life, it's why we are all here. It probably won't. > That's ok. I may not have enjoyed the last 2 Albums very much, but > the last tour was a joy, if only for gems such as TIE and WSWITR and > LMMA.? > More of the same ? I'd settle for that, tour wise.? >? > I want Roxy, of course, but maybe it's our youths we all really > want. How profound ! But we did get it back in 2001. I'd like that > again. I will settle though for a new BF Album next year, no matter > how many supermarket-demanded compilations come in between.? >? > Muses. Where do they go ?? >? > We'll never know.? >? > Reecey...? >? >? > ___________________________________________________________________________? ? > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon? ? ___________________________________________________________________________? To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon? ? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V13 #119 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest