From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V13 #45 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, March 25 2009 Volume 13 : Number 045 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Album ["Michiel van Sleen" ] [AVALON] Name Check [ameyersld@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Name Check ["Martin Stockman" ] RE: [AVALON] New Ferry Album ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Album [jocelynfiske@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Album [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Album ["Michiel van Sleen" ] Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Album ["K B Porter" ] [AVALON] BF > SW [Rod LeCloux ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:45:45 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Album "Masochists": hear hear! And a bit of sadism on my part, to pester the cowards that secretly agreed to ignore me on list. Good to hear/read from you again KB. I've missed your wit. So RD is your BBFFF.... your 'Best of British' Fa Fa Fa? Or your best bryan ferry fan-friend? All the best, Michiel BTW Aznavouresque is already out in the Netherlands. It's... how you say... an acquired taste. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "K B Porter" To: Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Album > Jonathan wrote: "(The recent cover of 'She' is still complete crap > though). > Which makes me wonder - KB Porter? Are you there? Did you ever get to > listen to Dylanesque? " > > Hum, the association of 'crap' and ' KBPorter' - ummm... HA! - Could > make me uncomfortable, but I know that isn't what you were driving at, > Jonathan. Now how's that for self-deprecating humour? > > Rather, I'm sure you thought of me and my reluctance to give Dylanesque a > whirl: Despite being in possession of two (2) legal and legally obtained > Dylanesque cd's - one (1) of them with a personalized autograph by the > Great BF, gifted to me by RD, my BBFFF (try and figure that one out) and > an > un-opened self-bought store copy, I hold fast to my reluctance. That > is correct - I have not listened to Dylanesque. > > Sadly, Frantic followed by the few pieces I've heard from Dylanesque have > lodged an unshakable forbearance, a fear that Mr. Ferry's brilliance has > been partly suffocated or eclipsed by his languishing self. I deeply love > his music and if Mr. Ferry never wrote another lyric I feel his back > catalog > would continue to sustain me: The years of listening enjoyment I have, > and > shall continue to have, sustains me well enough. > > However, I completely understand Thom's ambivalence and disappointed with > BF's last two published efforts and purported new solo album. And, if > indeed, Andy Cooper's hotlink to BF's remake of You Can Dance is > representative of the new effort, well, I'd much rather play something > else... BTW, anyone reading this who would appreciate an alternative > suggestion , allow me to recommend an ancient classic of lengthy 'stream > of > conscious' recording that is, IMO, fabulously enjoyable, please spin > Traffic's "The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys" (the song). - About twelve > (12) minutes of bliss compared to the clunk so kindly hot-linked for us. > On > the other hand, If I were duly ripped with fun company and swagging at a > techno pod with cherry flavored pacifier in tow I'd probably find U Can > Dance is the best thing created since Cracker Jacks! > > As with the Martin and Jonathan encampment, I feel you benefit from the > privileged proximity to concert locals frequented with Mr. Ferry's > performances. Surely, seeing him live has got to enhance your enjoyment > and appreciation for BF's orb. I envy you on this account. Poor old > deprived American me... I've only my recorded music at hand... > > I wish every happiness, health, and success for Bryan Ferry. I am > appreciative for the recent successes of the other Roxy Founders. Martin > wrote: I really wonder why some people bother to be on this list." > Answer: > Because we are Masochistic? And, "With fiends like the Avalon group I > wonder what Bryan does for enemies." I think he marries them....!!! > > Happy Trails. KBP > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:28:22 -0400 From: ameyersld@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Name Check Hello All! I have just finished reading a dense yet interesting book about Richard Hamilton, and British Post War Intellectual Trends in the Academic Arts. BF and AM and Eno are name checked in it once or twice. It s called "Re-Make/Re-Model" by Michael Bracewell. It was filed (I'm not kidding) in the Fashion section of the local library. Anyone read it? - --Andrew in Chicago Andrew Meyers, Lighting Designer Chicago * Milwaukee * The World ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:43:31 -0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Name Check I think we've all read it! When I read it BF, AM and Eno got about a thousand name checks each, and were central to the text as say Hamlet was to, er Hamlet. Maybe this forum, with its disdain for all things Ferry, edited out all the Roxy bits in your edition ... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of ameyersld@aol.com Sent: 24 March 2009 14:28 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Name Check Hello All! I have just finished reading a dense yet interesting book about Richard Hamilton, and British Post War Intellectual Trends in the Academic Arts. BF and AM and Eno are name checked in it once or twice. It s called "Re-Make/Re-Model" by Michael Bracewell. It was filed (I'm not kidding) in the Fashion section of the local library. Anyone read it? - --Andrew in Chicago Andrew Meyers, Lighting Designer Chicago * Milwaukee * The World ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:04:34 -0400 From: "K B Porter" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Album BINGO! Michiel's in my head with the BBFFF!!! Of course, we shouldn't buy into conspiracy theories here... but the masochist is not complete without his sadist - Izzy. There are so many list members who have given up contributing partly because there isn't much movement on the Bryan Ferry Front and also, I dare write, because written humour often falls flat for various reasons while opportunities to offend - whether consciously or not - are rife. Perhaps, gaming is child's play but we owe it to ourselves to look beyond frivolity when it is deemed unpalatable. - For every individual has his flaws and every individual has his merits: Finding 'good' rather than 'bad' is largely perspective. Thanks to those who have replied in kind to me, but I've not much of relevance to our list topic to write about. Bye for now. Happy Trails. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:15:44 -0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] New Ferry Album KP Listen to Dylanesque. Can it really be worse than Snow Patrol or Fleet Foxes? Then tell us how good Make You Feel My Love is... Pip pip Martino... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of K B Porter Sent: 24 March 2009 15:05 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Album BINGO! Michiel's in my head with the BBFFF!!! Of course, we shouldn't buy into conspiracy theories here... but the masochist is not complete without his sadist - Izzy. There are so many list members who have given up contributing partly because there isn't much movement on the Bryan Ferry Front and also, I dare write, because written humour often falls flat for various reasons while opportunities to offend - whether consciously or not - are rife. Perhaps, gaming is child's play but we owe it to ourselves to look beyond frivolity when it is deemed unpalatable. - For every individual has his flaws and every individual has his merits: Finding 'good' rather than 'bad' is largely perspective. Thanks to those who have replied in kind to me, but I've not much of relevance to our list topic to write about. Bye for now. Happy Trails. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:26:38 -0400 From: Alan Heaton Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Album I actually rather like Fleet Foxes...the album may get a bit monotonous, but "White Winter Hymnal" is lovely... Cheers, Alan p.s. Despite owning "Dylanesque" and my obvious love of covers, I've only listened to it once. I also own the DVD version and have yet to watch it... On 3/24/09, Martin Stockman wrote: > > KP > > Listen to Dylanesque. Can it really be worse than Snow Patrol or Fleet > Foxes? Then tell us how good Make You Feel My Love is... > > Pip pip > Martino... > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of K > B > Porter > Sent: 24 March 2009 15:05 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Album > > BINGO! Michiel's in my head with the BBFFF!!! > > Of course, we shouldn't buy into conspiracy theories here... but the > masochist is not complete without his sadist - Izzy. > > There are so many list members who have given up contributing partly > because > > there isn't much movement on the Bryan Ferry Front and also, I dare write, > because written humour often falls flat for various reasons while > opportunities to offend - whether consciously or not - are rife. Perhaps, > gaming is child's play but we owe it to ourselves to look beyond frivolity > when it is deemed unpalatable. - For every individual has his flaws and > every individual has his merits: Finding 'good' rather than 'bad' is > largely perspective. > > Thanks to those who have replied in kind to me, but I've not much of > relevance to our list topic to write about. Bye for now. > > Happy Trails. KBP > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:00:57 -0400 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Album B Since webre in the world of analogies b and I think Jonathan had a better one when he suggested that if youbve had a peek at your Xmas presents before Dec 25th, donbt be surprised to be disappointed on Xmas morning - Ibd like to offer up a crude analogy of my own (so unlike me). I think Ferry uses certain releases (if youbll excuse the pun) as musical colonic irrigation. After wandering lonely as a cloud for 6 years it took the sepository that was Taxi administered by Dr Robin Trower for Mamouna to pop out a year later. Then F fannied about for 8 years before Frantic appeared. Granted Alphaville should have been in the middle of that mC*lC)e, but there didnbt appear anyone around strong armed enough to force Ferry into a quick fix. That was when we officially saw parts of Alphaville remade-remodelled and released for the first time. Then came Dylanesque, but forced into a rapid recording in the studio to blow away the cobwebs. And the better for it. I have little doubt that when Ferry hits a wall (the metaphorical one hebs always turning those bloominb paintings toward) he gets side-tracked into a different project and needs that jolt to open his creative passages. We keep hearing that all the music is written for the new Roxy album (Philbs hinted at it more than once) but that Ferrybs ink well has run dry. What better distraction than to release Elvisesque or Lennonesque or Carousellesque? Whatbs left to cannibalise from Alphaville? Love War and Alphaville. Great tracks, but Ibd be happy now to hear them released as re-mixed downloadables rather than the basis for a solo Ferry album (but please enough of the techno already!). BTW for anyone who hasnbt heard Alphaville yet, I stumbled across it at www.millisong.com so have a listen. The old crisper vs new breathy voice of Ferry I feel could sit happily alongside eachother b Alphaville (the track) is very husky and works beautifully with the other tracks. My hope is that this quick fix, clearing out the cupboards Ferry solo album will be the catalyst for the finishing of the Roxy album. I have to be honest and given the choice itbs a Roxy release that really whets my appetite but I imagine in the credit crunched gloom of summer Ibll find the odd Ferry solo-album plugging gig a welcome distraction myself. Jocelyn ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:30:44 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Album Not to mention Mermanesque. In a message dated 24/03/2009 17:15:11 GMT Standard Time, jocelynfiske@aol.com writes: What better distraction than to release Elvisesque or Lennonesque or Carousellesque? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:43:08 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Album Dear KB, Thank you so much for your reply. I'm not sure to whom you're referring though. Do you blame me for having made jokes that weren't appreciated by others? I'm trying to be as reasonable as I can, but may have been out of line occasionally. Jocelynb?, Jonafafafa & Martino Pip Pip have often irritated the living crap out of me, pardon the poop, which may have led me to say things I shouldn't have. Please let me know if you think that's the case. I'm not easily offended. We could even consider continuing off-list, but I felt the need to react in public since it's already "out there" and concerns many who have left the list. Jocelyn and her goons have been very arrogant and condenscending in the past, and my jokes were much more light-hearted than their comments. Agreeing to ignore someone (which is obviously the case since the Triumphirate automatically starts replying to whoever speaks after me - time and time again; even yesterday, you must have noticed) and not giving me a fair chance, that strikes me as very cowardly and coldhearted. Being treated like a pest was a first to me, I've always been considered (as far as I know) as sympathetic and socially engaged, and of course modest, haha. By the way, I've also read Jocelyn's comments on me off-list, which struck me as very onesided and injust. J-M-J have no self-criticism whatsoever, the three of them, pompous snobs that they are. But I agree with the need to look for the good in each other, and in the past have always tried to do so. I also agree jokes often fall flat on paper, especially on the Internet where many dimwitted dunces dwell, although I often find Martino and Jonathan hilarious. And quite possibly Jocelyn would think I'm a real nice guy when she met me in person, and if later on she found out I was the Michiel she dreads, she would no doubt be shocked. Whatever the case may be, you have a wonderful way with wise words (I sound like Wossy now). The list desperately needs you - wait, I forgot; the list is dead but doesn't know it yet - and so does Bryan Ferry. Why don't you write his lyrics from now on, and all the rest of us have to do is keep our mouths shut. Brilliant album guaranteed. Your SBBFFF Michiel - ----- Original Message ----- From: "K B Porter" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Album > BINGO! Michiel's in my head with the BBFFF!!! > > Of course, we shouldn't buy into conspiracy theories here... but the > masochist is not complete without his sadist - Izzy. > > There are so many list members who have given up contributing partly > because there isn't much movement on the Bryan Ferry Front and also, I > dare write, because written humour often falls flat for various reasons > while opportunities to offend - whether consciously or not - are rife. > Perhaps, gaming is child's play but we owe it to ourselves to look beyond > frivolity when it is deemed unpalatable. - For every individual has his > flaws and every individual has his merits: Finding 'good' rather than > 'bad' is largely perspective. > > Thanks to those who have replied in kind to me, but I've not much of > relevance to our list topic to write about. Bye for now. > > Happy Trails. KBP > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:48:02 -0400 From: "K B Porter" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Album Michiel, Michiel! See what I mean? - My humour fell flat in my last response for I never intended to debase anyone's spirit! You are bright, sensitive, and very witty but please don't let others' perceived actions toward you shake the fiber of your being. Everyone on this list has something good to offer. And everyone on this list has done some things not so nice, too. There is plenty blame to go around, or looked at differently, each one of us is only trying to make our way in this world... and attempting to communicate with only the written word is extremely difficult as there are no other 'clues' for the reader to use in decipher. Let's not get overly upset with perceived slights. You did right asking me for clarification of my earlier rendering - communication is all we have. I've always thought you'd be an interesting person to visit with in-person, my only fear is that your wit may be so sharp and fast that I'll be left in the dust just trying to figure it out! Take refuge in knowing that 'what comes around goes around' or, 'you reap what you sow. Now please, be happy and healthy. XX0. KBP PS - I'm not leaving the list, I just haven't much to add... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:36:24 -0500 From: Rod LeCloux Subject: [AVALON] BF > SW There does seem to be a certain level of frustration in the Avalon community with none other than Bryan Ferry himself as it relates to his low level of artistic output. Who would have thought that Ringo Starr would be more productive!! Lets face it, he give our group credibility as long as he remains somewhat active. Otherwise, we run the risk of being just now Elvis club. Bickering about what he could have done, but did not. I think a lot of us, myself included, have trouble reconciling the shear level of quality of Roxy Music's 70's back catalog with what happened over the last 30 years. Just listen to "Do The Strand" and then what do you follow it up with from the 80's, 90's, 2000's. It just all became to calculated and too slick. If, you're yearning for an artist to follow who has an infinately diverse catalog and a high quality level of music check out Steven Wilson. He goes under many names (Porcupine Tree, No-Man, Blackfield, Bass Communion & now Steven Wislon, his first solo released this month). Did I mention he's been busy mixing King Crimsons back catalog in 5.1. There is life after Bryan!! Was any of the above interesting or just a sneaky advert for Steven Wilson??? Rod _________________________________________________________________ Internet Explorer 8  Now Available. 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