From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V12 #393 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, April 28 2008 Volume 12 : Number 393 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] Flashbacks of If There I Something ["Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Flashbacks of If There I Something Even though Flashbacks Of A Fool was far from a masteroiece I remain haunted by the specific flashback to the playing of ITIS in the bedroom. Im sure it resonates with many of the older Avalonions. So I started to pick out old bootlegs of concerts featuring this wonderful song. Then I began to edit certain versions, focussing, as in the film, on that extraordinary part when Bryan shrieks "Shake your head girl ... " My track listing is as follows. 1. Viva (-2.34 to the end)1974 2. Glasgow bootleg "This Is Roxy Music" June 2001 with the bit where BF exhorts the fans to break past security (-2.29 to the end) 3. All RM 1st album 1971/2 4. All 12.27 minutes (!) of Eno-orgiastic BBC sessions 1972 5. Full Viva (10.37) at top of his game. Oboe-tastic 6. Alternative BBC sessions 1972(6.41) very sad and subdued vocals .. 7. Full Live At The Apollo 2001 (lacklustre but Sarah Brown is v good, of course) 8. Full Glasgow 01 (far better, more attack generally) Anyone know of any other good / unusual versions? Concerts etc?(NOT Tin Machine!) Anyone know the difference between the two (distinctly different 1972 BBC sessions)or indeed why there were 2 sessions. I know one was for Peel. Yours, nursing a broken heart, Martino ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:05:00 +0100 From: "Colette Robertson" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Flashbacks of If There I Something Nwecastle City Hall, 28th October 1974 has a great version of ITIS. http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/dt/roxy-music-concert/20050757-6125.html Cheers, Colette - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Martin Stockman Sent: 27 April 2008 10:19 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Flashbacks of If There I Something Even though Flashbacks Of A Fool was far from a masteroiece I remain haunted by the specific flashback to the playing of ITIS in the bedroom. Im sure it resonates with many of the older Avalonions. So I started to pick out old bootlegs of concerts featuring this wonderful song. Then I began to edit certain versions, focussing, as in the film, on that extraordinary part when Bryan shrieks "Shake your head girl ... " My track listing is as follows. 1. Viva (-2.34 to the end)1974 2. Glasgow bootleg "This Is Roxy Music" June 2001 with the bit where BF exhorts the fans to break past security (-2.29 to the end) 3. All RM 1st album 1971/2 4. All 12.27 minutes (!) of Eno-orgiastic BBC sessions 1972 5. Full Viva (10.37) at top of his game. Oboe-tastic 6. Alternative BBC sessions 1972(6.41) very sad and subdued vocals .. 7. Full Live At The Apollo 2001 (lacklustre but Sarah Brown is v good, of course) 8. Full Glasgow 01 (far better, more attack generally) Anyone know of any other good / unusual versions? Concerts etc?(NOT Tin Machine!) Anyone know the difference between the two (distinctly different 1972 BBC sessions)or indeed why there were 2 sessions. I know one was for Peel. Yours, nursing a broken heart, Martino ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:27:38 -0400 From: Gerard York Subject: [AVALON] RE: King Crimson: Elephant Talk Too Discussion and news about British rock group King Crimson and its members, including Robert Fripp, Peter Sinfield, Ian McDonald, Michael Giles, Greg Lake, Peter Giles, Mel Collins, Gordon Haskell, Andy McCullough, Boz Burrell, Ian Wallace, Bill Bruford, Jaimie Muir, David Cross, John Wetton, Tony Levin, Adrian Belew, Pat Mastellotto, Trey Gunn and Gavin Harrison. The purpose of the mailing list is to promote discussion of King Crimson, its former members and their music. Fans are encouraged to post notes on any subject relating to King Crimson and please pass the word!http://launch. groups.yahoo. com/group/ ElephantTalkToo ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:43:04 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Eno not to tour. Ever. Probably. Tom at _www.enoweb.co.uk_ (http://www.enoweb.co.uk) has asked Opal (Brian Eno's management) and they say Brian would *not* be touring with David Byrne for similar (but not the same) reasons as when he absented from the Roxy "reunion". Best wishes Richard Mills PS He does however remain the most interesting ex-member of Roxy's original line-up, even if he is retreading and recycling ideas, speeches, viewpoints, etc ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:57:03 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Flashbacks of If There I Something According to vivaroxymusic thats the version on Viva... but happy to be corrected... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Colette Robertson Sent: 27 April 2008 12:05 To: 'Martin Stockman'; avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Flashbacks of If There I Something Nwecastle City Hall, 28th October 1974 has a great version of ITIS. http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/dt/roxy-music-concert/20050757-6125.html Cheers, Colette - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Martin Stockman Sent: 27 April 2008 10:19 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Flashbacks of If There I Something Even though Flashbacks Of A Fool was far from a masteroiece I remain haunted by the specific flashback to the playing of ITIS in the bedroom. Im sure it resonates with many of the older Avalonions. So I started to pick out old bootlegs of concerts featuring this wonderful song. Then I began to edit certain versions, focussing, as in the film, on that extraordinary part when Bryan shrieks "Shake your head girl ... " My track listing is as follows. 1. Viva (-2.34 to the end)1974 2. Glasgow bootleg "This Is Roxy Music" June 2001 with the bit where BF exhorts the fans to break past security (-2.29 to the end) 3. All RM 1st album 1971/2 4. All 12.27 minutes (!) of Eno-orgiastic BBC sessions 1972 5. Full Viva (10.37) at top of his game. Oboe-tastic 6. Alternative BBC sessions 1972(6.41) very sad and subdued vocals .. 7. Full Live At The Apollo 2001 (lacklustre but Sarah Brown is v good, of course) 8. Full Glasgow 01 (far better, more attack generally) Anyone know of any other good / unusual versions? Concerts etc?(NOT Tin Machine!) Anyone know the difference between the two (distinctly different 1972 BBC sessions)or indeed why there were 2 sessions. I know one was for Peel. Yours, nursing a broken heart, Martino ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:38:05 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Eno at the Royal Academy - April 21 Once again, the powers that be (last time at the ICA) have underestimated interest in any event where Brian Eno expounds his thoughts upon a breath-baited universe. And so it was that this event is long sold-out prior to the night of April 21, 2008. Yet, in a comforting and quaintly Royal Academy way, tickets are still being sold on the night... I arrived gasping for someone to proffer the free drink promoted wherever ticket arrangements were publicised, but it seems one had to wait for the end of the talking before that delight. The opening moments (all 273 of them) are very quiet as Tom Phillips, the man who taught Eno at Ipswich Arts College all those years ago "performs" John Cagebs 4b 33b, a silent piece that contains no audible music (as opposed to not having any) though it does intentionally have the "sound of the immediate environment", upon a miniature piano. His style of playing is to adopt several freeze frame poses at the piano, only moving when adopting a new pose at the start of the next "movement". Get it? You can either buy into this or you can stand back and laugh at the Emperor's-New-Clothes aspect of this endeavour. But the piece was written some 56 years ago, so the clothes are no longer new and most people present share the humour of the piece with an arch knowingness. Tom joins Brian Eno, architect-cum-musician Vesna Petresin Robert and host Robin Rimbaud aka Scanner and they laugh together making jokes about silence. Scanner has had laryngitis and feared he would be a silent host. Eno has problems getting enough volume through his mic and jests that his contribution may be as silent as the piece Tom Phillips has performed. Oh how we smiled. It's decided Eno will kick things off and he does this by giving a spoken precis of the background to composing Music For Airports ("my best-selling album to date by far and still selling consistently well each year") and the ambient and generative music that followed. He also engaged in an awkward and lengthy exchange with an invisible engineer/assistant in order to play excerpts of Music For Airports and a generative piece, where the volume sits uncomfortably with the spoken word. He then chose to consciously "provoke" the panel and audience by saying that he thinks he may be at the wrong event. Entitled Architecture And Music 2, Eno claims there is no relationship between the two. Pause for intake of breath and Eno rests back and waits for the panel to discuss, the blue touch paper well and truly combusted. But this debate is a damp squib really. Tom believes that the two are inexorably intertwined because music venues are designed by architects (and, in the case of the Royal Festival Hall, re-designed annually in search of perfect acoustics), but doesn't proffer much in the way of examples to demonstrates how the creation and design of building and music is in any way similar. The exotic lady whose professional training combines the two unsurprisingly thinks there's a lot to be said for their striking similarities and can't seem to see the problem set by the debate's title (I papraphrase. Badly.) All in all, the discussion is interesting enough but it's largely consisting of proto-intellectual navel-gazing. Regrettably, those sitting patiently in the audience have been doing so in order that they can expound for minutes about their own cobbled-together theories, rather than ask questions of the panel, each wishing to have some acknowledgement of their portentous intellect by smirking and announcing that they mean to match the "provocational approach" of Brian Eno. Ye Gods...it's always a mistake to say you mean to provoke someone and then babble on for 10 minutes on the preface. Asked finally for an answer, our host Scanner owns up and says he found it hard to concentrate and has no idea what was said. Brian tells of how land in Tokyo has become so expensive that architects are at last realising they can play around with the design format because their building will be demolished and replaced in as little as 6 years. He hopes in years to come that land will become more expensive globally so architects can be inspired to "have a laugh". Developers share this wish and audience members with large mortgages doubtless just hope the Daily Mail is not covering this event. Eno tells (can't recall why) of how his brother Roger is a born comedian with natural talent to amuse, but can't recall the punchlines to jokes. So he started writing them down in a book. Trouble is Roger then found he can't identify the rest of the jokes from their punchlines. Scanner says remarkably little which is admirable in a compere, but a shame as I'll wager he had much to say. And so, after about 100 minutes, the event proper is over. And we are finally treated to a free drinks reception (not bad for seven quid). Brian Eno (and indeed the other speakers) is happy to mingle and sign autographs, but he has the nous to keep circulating. Asked if he might have any exhibits for a virtual exhibition planned of Peter Schmidt's work, he says "I've got tons of his stuff but I can't photograph it or catalog it, I just don't have time". He does mention though that he still regularly send cheques to Schmidt's widow as Oblique Strategies are constantly reissued and continue to sell. Wishing to show that he really is a busy man (and that his libidinous tendencies remain undiminished), he excuses himself by saying "Look, I'm sorry but I need to go and pursue a beautiful woman while there's still time". And indeed concentrates on the female members of the room, notably Tom Phillips' wife, for the rest of the evening. Best wishes Richard Mills ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:57:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Turner Subject: RE: [AVALON] Flashbacks of If There I Something - --- On Sun, 27/4/08, Martin Stockman wrote: >Anyone know the difference between the two (distinctly different 1972 BBC sessions) or indeed why there were 2 sessions. I know one was for Peel. The first session for John Peel's Sounds of the Seventies was recorded in early January '72, four months or so prior to the release of the debut album, and before they had a record deal. Davy O'List was still on guitar at this time. The third session for the same Peel show (there was another in May which didn't feature ITIS), was at the end of July, after the album's release, and just prior to the release of Virginia Plain. Manzo was on guitar by now. The latter version is vastly superior IMO, and shows how much the band had evolved in that six month period. A hard summer's gigging had done them the world of good. For the full session story see Simon Galloway's piece here: http://www.roxyrama.com/classic/history/sessions/bbc.shtml Regards Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V12 #393 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest