From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V12 #269 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, October 31 2007 Volume 12 : Number 269 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes [jocelynfiske@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes ["Guy Lawley" To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10.37pm Subject: Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes Just a guess: Claes Oldenberg? ? Manifesto was based on his 1961 poem? I Am For An Art... Manifesto, 1961? by Claes Oldenburg? ? Claes Oldenburg, a Pop artist, reacting against Abstract Expressionism, along with other young artists. The Manifesto 'I am for an Art' was originally made to be included in the catalogue of the 'Environments, Situations and Spaces' exhibition. Each of the statements begin with 'I am for an art...'.? ? Here is a quote from the first two statement in his poetical manifesto,? ? "I am for an art that is political-erotical-mystical, that does something other than sit on its ass in a museum.? I am for an art that grows up not knowing it is art at all, an art given the chance of having a staring point of zero... "? ? ? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Lawley" ? To: "'Michiel van Sleen'" ; ? Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:26 AM? Subject: RE: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes? ? > Duchamp is a logical guess but it wasn't him; I would have remembered > that.? > It was someone less well known.? >? > Guy? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of? > Michiel van Sleen? > Sent: 28 October 2007 09:06? > To: avalon@smoe.org? > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes? >? > Marcel Duchamp?? >? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Guy Lawley" ? > To: ; ? > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:56 AM? > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes? >? >> And a question: can anyone remember who the living artist was whom Ferry? >> wasn't allowed to do his dissertation on? The book does not enlighten us? >> on? >> that point, and I'd really like to know!? >? >? > ___________________________________________________________________________? > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon? ? ___________________________________________________________________________? To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon? ? ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:52:21 -0000 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes Excellent thought! Oldenberg was certainly mentioned a few times. Could be him. Again, though, being passingly familiar with his work, I think I would have remembered. I'm pretty sure it was someone more obscure. We need a transcript of the V&A talk! Nice reminder about "I'm For an Art" too; thanks Han Best, Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Han Snijders Sent: 29 October 2007 22:37 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes Just a guess: Claes Oldenberg Manifesto was based on his 1961 poem I Am For An Art... Manifesto, 1961 by Claes Oldenburg Claes Oldenburg, a Pop artist, reacting against Abstract Expressionism, along with other young artists. The Manifesto 'I am for an Art' was originally made to be included in the catalogue of the 'Environments, Situations and Spaces' exhibition. Each of the statements begin with 'I am for an art...'. Here is a quote from the first two statement in his poetical manifesto, "I am for an art that is political-erotical-mystical, that does something other than sit on its ass in a museum. I am for an art that grows up not knowing it is art at all, an art given the chance of having a staring point of zero... " - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Lawley" To: "'Michiel van Sleen'" ; Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:26 AM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes > Duchamp is a logical guess but it wasn't him; I would have remembered > that. > It was someone less well known. > > Guy > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Michiel van Sleen > Sent: 28 October 2007 09:06 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes > > Marcel Duchamp? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Guy Lawley" > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:56 AM > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes > >> And a question: can anyone remember who the living artist was whom Ferry >> wasn't allowed to do his dissertation on? The book does not enlighten us >> on >> that point, and I'd really like to know! > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:53:56 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes Thanks for that. Was it Matthew Smith perhaps? (seriously) And if Han would be so kind to compare Ferry's cover version with the Oldenburg original, that would be splendid. Michiel - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes > Sorry guys, it wasn't any of the known ones, it was Matthew something or > the other (my memory didn't retain it I'm afraid)?- an abstract artist, > but not Matthew Collins. I'd never heard the name before, but his canvases > were mainly blank with a few dribbled diagonal lines breaking the bottom > left and right edges. Colours were pink and brown. Looks like he might > have influenced some of the dreadful abstracts Ferry produced at college > that turned up on Ebay some while ago. Ferry revealed being something of a > covers merchant even then, his hand with cigarette sculpture (you've > probably seen the shot I mean) was directly lifted from Oldenburg he told > us. > But back to the name, someone's bound to have taped the lecture, have a > listen back and remind us if you would be so kind. > > Jocelyn? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Han Snijders > To: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10.37pm > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes > > > Just a guess: Claes Oldenberg? > ? > Manifesto was based on his 1961 poem? > I Am For An Art... Manifesto, 1961? > by Claes Oldenburg? > ? > Claes Oldenburg, a Pop artist, reacting against Abstract Expressionism, > along with other young artists. The Manifesto 'I am for an Art' was > originally made to be included in the catalogue of the 'Environments, > Situations and Spaces' exhibition. Each of the statements begin with 'I am > for an art...'.? > ? > Here is a quote from the first two statement in his poetical manifesto,? > ? > "I am for an art that is political-erotical-mystical, that does something > other than sit on its ass in a museum.? > I am for an art that grows up not knowing it is art at all, an art given > the chance of having a staring point of zero... "? > ? > ? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Lawley" ? > To: "'Michiel van Sleen'" ; ? > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:26 AM? > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes? > ? >> Duchamp is a logical guess but it wasn't him; I would have remembered > >> that.? >> It was someone less well known.? >>? >> Guy? >>? >> -----Original Message-----? >> From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of? >> Michiel van Sleen? >> Sent: 28 October 2007 09:06? >> To: avalon@smoe.org? >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes? >>? >> Marcel Duchamp?? >>? >> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Guy Lawley" ? >> To: ; ? >> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:56 AM? >> Subject: RE: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes? >>? >>> And a question: can anyone remember who the living artist was whom >>> Ferry? >>> wasn't allowed to do his dissertation on? The book does not enlighten >>> us? >>> on? >>> that point, and I'd really like to know!? >>? >>? >> ___________________________________________________________________________? >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon? > ? > ___________________________________________________________________________? > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon? > ? > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. Plus, share and > store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from > your favourite artists. Find out more at > http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:50:55 -0400 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes I'm now wondering if 'Matthew' was?actually 'Mark' (not Rothko) - starts with M not an unusual Christian name. Doing a bit of investigative Googling and it might possibly be Mark Tobey - he fits the white canvas and drippy heritage. The era's right, he was alive at the right time, I've never heard of him (although he looks to be a famous abstract expressionist), so?that fits?too!! Can't find the artwork we were shown though. From wikipedia: "important early manifestation of what came to be abstract expressionism is the work of American Northwest artist Mark Tobey, especially his "white writing" canvases, which, though generally not large in scale, anticipate the "all over" look of Pollock's drip paintings." ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:22:01 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes In a message dated 10/30/07 7:25:18 AM, jocelynfiske@aol.com writes: > his hand with cigarette sculpture (you've probably seen the shot I mean) > was directly lifted from Oldenburg he told us. > BF's memory is often spotty. While not having been there and not having heard the talk, I'd bet the hand/cigarette was more likely lifted from George Segal, another American popster. Segal took the duchampian redymade idea to the human form, by wrapping live models in plaster dipped bandages &/or casting directly from live people. (often in elaborate tableau.) Oldenburg's poem I'm For... Is the well known source for Manifesto. Regardss, R Deagle ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:26:03 -0400 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes >Segal took the duchampian redymade idea to the human form, by wrapping live models in plaster dipped bandages &/or casting directly from live people. (often in elaborate tableau.) So that's where Roger Corman got the idea for Bucket of Blood (only the hero killed people first in order the cast them)? ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:51:56 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes (veering off topic) There's a really fun movie staring Simone Signoret called Games. Where a mysterious woman is befriended by a hip young art collecting couple. They do a "Segal" to hide a body among the pop art collection. (all fake/psudo Lichtensteins etc.) Check it out! With Elliot Gould and Catherine Ross if memory serves. Actually the old Vincent Price, House of Wax used a similar idea before Mr. Corman or Mr. Segal. Mark Tolby is pretty famous here in the colonies, but I'd be surprised if well known in Britain. They all look like scribbles on a blackboard to me though. Saw a fun Brit band last week here in NYC, TUNNG. Quirky eloctronica laced folk, They come with the Deagle Stamp of Approval. Regards, R Deagle ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:21:19 +0100 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: [AVALON] claes oldenburg poem part two I am for Kool-art, 7-UP art, Pepsi-art, Sunshine art, 39 cents art, 15 cents art, Vatronol Art, Dro-bomb art, Vam art, Menthol art, L & M art Ex-lax art, Venida art, Heaven Hill art, Pamryl art, San-o-med art, Rx art, 9.99 art, Now art, New ar, How art, Fire sale art, Last Chance art, Only art, Diamond art, Tomorrow art, Franks art, Ducks art, Meat-o-rama art. I am for the art of bread wet by rain. I am for the rat's dance between floors. I am for the art of flies walking on a slick pear in the electric light. I am for the art of soggy onions and firm green shoots. I am for the art of clicking among the nuts when the roaches come and go. I am for the brown sad art of rotting apples. I am for the art of meowls and clatter of cats and for the art of their dumb electric eyes. I am for the white art of refigerators and their muscular openings and closing. I am for the art of rust and mold. I am for the art of hearts, funeral hearts or sweetheart hearts, full of nougat. I am for the art of worn meathooks and singing barrels of red, white, blue and yellow meat. I am for the art of things lost or thrown away, coming home from school. I am for the art of cock-and-ball trees and flying cows and the noise of rectangles and squares. I am for for the art of crayons and weak grey pencil-lead, and grainy wash and sticky oil paint, and the art of windshield wipers and the art of the finger on a cold window, on dusty steel or in the bubbles on the sides of a bathtub. I am for the art of teddy-bears and guns and decapitated rabbits, explodes umbrellas, raped beds, chairs with their brown bones broken, burning trees, firecracker ends, chicken bones, pigeon bones, and boxes with men sleeping in them. I am for the art of slightly rotten funeral flowers, hung bloody rabbits and wrinkly yellow chickens, bass drums & tambourines, and plastic phonographs. I am for the art of abandoned boxes, tied like pharohs. I am for an art of watertanks and speeding clouds and flapping shades. I am for U.S. Government Inspected Art, Grade A art, Regular Price art, Yellow Ripe art, Extra Fancy art, Ready-to-eat art, Best-for-less art, Ready-to-cook art, Fully cleaned art, Spend Less art, Eat Better art, Ham art, Pork art, chicken art, tomato art, bana art, apple art, turkey art, cake art, cookie art. add: I am for an art that is combed down, that is hung from each ear, that is laid on the lips and under the eyes, that is shaved from the legs, that is burshed on the teeth, that is fixed on the thighs, that is slipped on the foot. square which becomes blobby May 1961 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:20:48 +0100 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: [AVALON] claes oldenburg poem part one Here's the poem of 1961 on which the lyrics of manifesto are based Claes has obvious more humour compared to our man. Han I am for an art ... I am for an art that is political-erotical-mystical, that does something other than sit on its ass in a museum. I am for an art that grows up not knowing it is art at all, an art given the chance of having a staring point of zero. I am for an art that embroils itself with the everyday crap & still comes out on top. I am for an art that imitates the human, that is comic, if necessary, or violent, or whatever is necessary. I am for an art that takes its form from the lines of life itself, that twists and extends and accumulates and spits and drips, and is heavy and coarse and blunt and sweet and stupid as life itself. I am for an artist who vanishes, turning up in a white cap painting signs or hallways. I am for an art that comes out of a chimney like black hair and scatters in the sky. I am for an art that spills out of an old man's purse when he is bounced off a passing fender. I am for the art out of a doggy's mouth, falling five stories from the roof. I am for the art that a kid licks, after peeling away the wrapper. I am for an art that joggles like everyones knees, when the bus traverses an excavation. I am for art that is smoked, like a cigarette, smells, like a pair of shoes. I am for art that flaps like a flag or helps blow noses, like a handkerchief. I am for art that is put on and taken off, like pants, which develops holes, like socks, which is eaten, like a piece of pie, or abandoned with great contempt, like a piece of shit. I am for art covered with bandages, I am for art that limps and rolls and runs and jumps. I am for art comes in a can or washes up on the shore. I am for art that coils and grunts like a wrestler. I am for art that sheds hair. I am for art you can sit on. I am for art you can pick your nose with or stub your toes on. I am for art from a pocket, from deep channels of the ear, from the edge of a knife, from the corners of the mouth, stuck in the eye or worn on the wrist. I am for art under the skirts, and the art of pinching cockroaches. I am for the art of conversation between the sidewalk and a blind mans metal stick. I am for the art that grows in a pot, that comes down out of the skies at night, like lightning, that hides in the clouds and growls. I am for art that is flipped on and off with a switch. I am for art that unfolds like a map, that you can squeeze, like your sweetys arm, or kiss, like a pet dog. Which expands and squeaks, like an accordion, which you can spill your dinner on, like an old tablecloth. I am for an art that you can hammer with, stitch with, sew with, paste with, file with. I am for an art that tells you the time of day, or where such and such a street is. I am for an art that helps old ladies across the street. I am for the art of the washing machine. I am for the art of a government check. I am for the art of last wars raincoat. I am for the art that comes up in fogs from sewer-holes in winter. I am for the art that splits when you step on a frozen puddle. I am for the worms art inside the apple. I am for the art of sweat that develops between crossed legs. I am for the art of neck-hair and caked tea-cups, for the art between the tines of restaurant forks, for odor of boiling dishwater. I am for the art of sailing on Sunday, and the art of red and white gasoline pumps. I am for the art of bright blue factory columns and blinking biscuit signs. I am for the art of cheap plaster and enamel. I am for the art of worn marble and smashed slate. I am for the art of rolling cobblestones and sliding sand. I am for the art of slag and black coal. I am for the art of dead birds. I am for the art of scratchings in the asphalt, daubing at the walls. I am for the art of bending and kicking metal and breaking glass, and pulling at things to make them fall down. I am for the art of punching and skinned knees and sat-on bananas. I am for the art of kids' smells. I am for the art of mama-babble. I am for the art of bar-babble, tooth-picking, beerdrinking, egg-salting, in-sulting. I am for the art of falling off a bartstool. I am for the art of underwear and the art of taxicabs. I am for the art of ice-cream cones dropped on concrete. I am for the majestic art of dog-turds, rising like cathedrals. I am for the blinking arts, lighting up the night. I am for art falling, splashing, wiggling, jumping, going on and off. I am for the art of fat truck-tires and black eyes. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:11:20 -0400 From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes Quoting jocelynfiske@aol.com: > Sorry guys, it wasn't any of the known ones, it was Matthew > something or the other (my memory didn't retain it I'm afraid)?- an > abstract artist, but not Matthew Collins. I'd never heard the name > before, but his canvases were mainly blank with a few dribbled > diagonal lines breaking the bottom left and right edges. Colours > were pink and brown. Looks like he might have influenced some of the > dreadful abstracts Ferry produced at college that turned up on Ebay > some while ago. Ferry revealed being something of a covers merchant > even then, his hand with cigarette sculpture (you've probably seen > the shot I mean) was directly lifted from Oldenburg he told us. > But back to the name, someone's bound to have taped the lecture, > have a listen back and remind us if you would be so kind. Morris Lewis? Athough he didn't do pinks and browns. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Louis (One of my favorite painters, I might add.) Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:56:37 +0100 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: [AVALON] ferry uncovered I love how you love me Paris Sisters For romantic avalonions only, less than 2 min sweeter than sweet. It was originally recorded by the Paris Sisters in 1961, one of Phil Spectors early productions Jimmy Crawford released a cover of it in the same year, but the Paris Sisters is the original. Bobby Vinton also released a version in 1967. Bryan Ferry released this as a single in France in 1973. Others say that the first release was on the album of one of the writers Barry Mann. Somewhere in the future you will hear that one. Han, And a thanks to Jocelyn for her kind words about this uncovered serie! This one's for you :) http://www.4shared.com/file/27854870/3cfbe6b3/111_TFT_I_Love_How_You_Love_Me_ _Paris_Sisters.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:55:02 -0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes Colleen well done - thats definitely him - recognise the picture on Wiki... Kind Regards Martin Stockman - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Colleen Matan Sent: 30 October 2007 18:11 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes Quoting jocelynfiske@aol.com: > Sorry guys, it wasn't any of the known ones, it was Matthew > something or the other (my memory didn't retain it I'm afraid)?- an > abstract artist, but not Matthew Collins. I'd never heard the name > before, but his canvases were mainly blank with a few dribbled > diagonal lines breaking the bottom left and right edges. Colours > were pink and brown. Looks like he might have influenced some of the > dreadful abstracts Ferry produced at college that turned up on Ebay > some while ago. Ferry revealed being something of a covers merchant > even then, his hand with cigarette sculpture (you've probably seen > the shot I mean) was directly lifted from Oldenburg he told us. > But back to the name, someone's bound to have taped the lecture, > have a listen back and remind us if you would be so kind. Morris Lewis? Athough he didn't do pinks and browns. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Louis (One of my favorite painters, I might add.) Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: 10/28/2007 13:58 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: 10/28/2007 13:58 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:54:40 +0100 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes http://www.frieze.com/issue/article/splendid_isolation/ here's an interview in which he talks about him > > > Morris Lewis? Athough he didn't do pinks and browns. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Louis (One of my favorite painters, I > might add.) > > > > Colleen > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:28:43 -0000 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: FW: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes Some of Louis's paintings were definitely shown at the V&A lecture, but Wikipedia says he died in 1962. Ferry did his dissertation in 1968 and he says he couldn't do it on the artist he wanted to as the guy was still alive. So are we still looking for Mr Right? Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Colleen Matan Sent: 30 October 2007 18:11 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes Quoting jocelynfiske@aol.com: > Sorry guys, it wasn't any of the known ones, it was Matthew > something or the other (my memory didn't retain it I'm afraid)?- an > abstract artist, but not Matthew Collins. I'd never heard the name > before, but his canvases were mainly blank with a few dribbled > diagonal lines breaking the bottom left and right edges. Colours > were pink and brown. Looks like he might have influenced some of the > dreadful abstracts Ferry produced at college that turned up on Ebay > some while ago. Ferry revealed being something of a covers merchant > even then, his hand with cigarette sculpture (you've probably seen > the shot I mean) was directly lifted from Oldenburg he told us. > But back to the name, someone's bound to have taped the lecture, > have a listen back and remind us if you would be so kind. Morris Lewis? Athough he didn't do pinks and browns. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Louis (One of my favorite painters, I might add.) Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:22:44 EDT From: Jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes In a message dated 30/10/2007 21:00:22 GMT Standard Time, snijders.geest@hetnet.nl writes: > > http://www.frieze.com/issue/article/splendid_isolation/ > > here's an interview in which he talks about him > > > > > > Morris Lewis? Although he didn't do pinks and browns. That's the monkey!! You can see I remembered the M and the ew, so Matthew. It all makes sense to me. But looks like I'm not only going senile, I'm going colour blind too! I did read that article Han but had forgotten about it. It confirms my theory about Ferry's awful ready made abstracts though. Thanks Colleen, we can all get a decent night's sleep now. Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:44:59 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes Sleep? After seeing these paintings? Morris Louis hath murdered sleep. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Standing room only for dilitantes > In a message dated 30/10/2007 21:00:22 GMT Standard Time, > snijders.geest@hetnet.nl writes: > > >> >> http://www.frieze.com/issue/article/splendid_isolation/ >> >> here's an interview in which he talks about him >> > >> > >> > Morris Lewis? Although he didn't do pinks and browns. > > > That's the monkey!! > You can see I remembered the M and the ew, so Matthew. It all makes sense > to > me. > But looks like I'm not only going senile, I'm going colour blind too! > I did read that article Han but had forgotten about it. It confirms my > theory > about Ferry's awful ready made abstracts though. > Thanks Colleen, we can all get a decent night's sleep now. > > > Jocelyn > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V12 #269 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest