From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V12 #232 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, September 19 2007 Volume 12 : Number 232 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to tolerate negative mention about Bryan Ferry and his output) [] Re: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to read) ["Mi] RE: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to tolerate negative mention about Bryan Ferry and his output) [] Re: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to tolerate negative mention about Bryan Ferry and his output) [] [AVALON] Bryan and Otis pay respects to Isabel Blow ["Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to tolerate negative mention about Bryan Ferry and his output) "Ferry doing Elvis in Naples.There is a heaven on earth." Whilst only an appreciator and not an ardent fan of the late, great "King of Rock and Roll", I've frequently thought Mr. Ferry is very capable in his covers of Elvis Presley's work. Personally, I'd be much more interested in a album of Presley covers by Bryan Ferry than I would be in a covers album of, say, Bob Dylan... (Speaking of which, are there any other Avalonians out there who have not listened to "Dylanesque" despite owning a copy for months? I just feel no desire to hear it, can't be bothered to remove the wrapper. Not sure if my disaffection is due to living in the largely 'ignored' U.S./Bryan Ferry market, or if my apathy is promoted by the sunken realization that Mr. Ferry isn't even trying to being creative nowadays, or if I'm only depressed to find our most exciting conversations about BF's current work seems to center about an idea that all he has in store for us are covers, more covers, remakes/remodels, end of the line whistle stops on an endless track to some future promised date of montage originals... On a brighter note... If I had no expectations about BF's creative output, I'd have no built-in disappointment, would I... Come on J, hit me with your best shot and toss some gristle to chew...) np/ Midnight Train. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:48:46 +0200 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to read) Or, to put it differently, are there any Avalonians who HAVE listened to Dylanesque in the last couple of months? I couldn't agree more, KB. Actually, I'd be dying to hear Elvispresque, but not if it were the same kind of lacklustre, lazy rendering of songs apparently without having tried to understand what they're about. At least, that's how Dylanesque struck me. But BF shouldn't be blamed for that probably, since almost all Dylan covers and renderings don't seem to understand what the song's about, the versions by Dylan himself included. Michiel - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KB Porter" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to tolerate negative mention about Bryan Ferry and his output) > "Ferry doing Elvis in Naples.There is a heaven on earth." > > Whilst only an appreciator and not an ardent fan of the late, great "King > of > Rock and Roll", I've frequently thought Mr. Ferry is very capable in his > covers of Elvis Presley's work. Personally, I'd be much more interested > in > a album of Presley covers by Bryan Ferry than I would be in a covers album > of, say, Bob Dylan... (Speaking of which, are there any other Avalonians > out there who have not listened to "Dylanesque" despite owning a copy for > months? I just feel no desire to hear it, can't be bothered to remove the > wrapper. Not sure if my disaffection is due to living in the largely > 'ignored' U.S./Bryan Ferry market, or if my apathy is promoted by the > sunken > realization that Mr. Ferry isn't even trying to being creative nowadays, > or > if I'm only depressed to find our most exciting conversations about BF's > current work seems to center about an idea that all he has in store for us > are covers, more covers, remakes/remodels, end of the line whistle stops > on > an endless track to some future promised date of montage originals... > > On a brighter note... If I had no expectations about BF's creative > output, > I'd have no built-in disappointment, would I... Come on J, hit me with > your > best shot and toss some gristle to chew...) > > np/ Midnight Train. > > KBP > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:15:03 +0100 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to tolerate negative mention about Bryan Ferry and his output) KBP, Entertaining as always! Anyway I haven't reached your or Michiels levels of apathy. Every time a new Ferry album comes out (about once a decade then :))I am like a kid with a new toy. Play it over and over again. Dylanesque is still in the 6cd changer and I don't tire of Tom Thumbs blues or positively 4th street. There are times though, and this hit home when I first heard Anthony and the Johnsons at the Brit awards doing "hope there's someone", when I wish the edgy darkness, the sleaziness, the alien strangeness was more present in Ferrys recent output. Because unlike many I think its still beating away in there. The Cruel Ships Captain thing is terrific IMHO. Dark, a bit weird, a unique sound. Frantic, despite "I thought" being a superb track, had a very conventional sound. I don't know what make of it sometimes - Mamouna was such a frustrating album in so many ways (like the way The Only Face was robbed of its intensity - what an awful mix of a beautiful song), but on the other hand Your Painted Smile is quite perfect in its nothingness. A real piece of art that one. That may have marked the end of his creativity. For the sake of his reputation, which is riding high don't you think?, lets hope that dark private place where his creativity comes from is not overcome by lack of confidence on this new Roxy album. Which I just cant see happening despite what Andy MacKay said about a deal with Virgin. Cheers Rob - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of KB Porter Sent: 18 September 2007 14:47 To: Avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to tolerate negative mention about Bryan Ferry and his output) "Ferry doing Elvis in Naples.There is a heaven on earth." ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:03:41 +0200 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to tolerate negative mention about Bryan Ferry and his output) You really summed up his music for me with those words, Rob: "edgy darkness, the sleaziness, the alien strangeness"... And yes, he's probably still good, but no longer strange, which made him fascinating. I find it sad to see he's almost become mainstream. In the past I felt sorry for him when the general public didn't like or know him, but now I feel sorry for myself that he's become popular, as in mediocre. If you ask me, he shouldn't try to hobnob with the gentry, but in stead search into his soul. Or could he have lost it? How I miss the Songs from the Soul of his Suit! (=after of a Roxy bootleg) Michiel - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "'KB Porter'" ; Cc: "'Michiel van Sleen'" Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 10:15 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to tolerate negative mention about Bryan Ferry and his output) > KBP, > > Entertaining as always! > > Anyway I haven't reached your or Michiels levels of apathy. > > Every time a new Ferry album comes out (about once a decade then :))I am > like a kid with a new toy. Play it over and over again. Dylanesque is > still > in the 6cd changer and I don't tire of Tom Thumbs blues or positively 4th > street. > > There are times though, and this hit home when I first heard Anthony and > the > Johnsons at the Brit awards doing "hope there's someone", when I wish the > edgy darkness, the sleaziness, the alien strangeness was more present in > Ferrys recent output. > > Because unlike many I think its still beating away in there. The Cruel > Ships > Captain thing is terrific IMHO. Dark, a bit weird, a unique sound. > > Frantic, despite "I thought" being a superb track, had a very conventional > sound. > > I don't know what make of it sometimes - Mamouna was such a frustrating > album in so many ways (like the way The Only Face was robbed of its > intensity - what an awful mix of a beautiful song), but on the other hand > Your Painted Smile is quite perfect in its nothingness. A real piece of > art > that one. That may have marked the end of his creativity. > > For the sake of his reputation, which is riding high don't you think?, > lets > hope that dark private place where his creativity comes from is not > overcome > by lack of confidence on this new Roxy album. > > Which I just cant see happening despite what Andy MacKay said about a deal > with Virgin. > > Cheers > Rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of KB > Porter > Sent: 18 September 2007 14:47 > To: Avalon@smoe.org > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to > tolerate negative mention about Bryan Ferry and his output) > > "Ferry doing Elvis in Naples.There is a heaven on earth." > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:41:05 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: [AVALON] Bryan and Otis pay respects to Isabel Blow The London Evening Standard's Diary column reports on the Isabella Blow memorial service. How fitting that it takes place in London Fashion week. The story reports that Bryan sang "When She Walks In The Room" as a tribute. (I'm thinking about the line..."And you know you can't leave you must stay, till her laughter has drifted away." ) And also his heroic maverick son, Otis, "played his hunting horn." No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: 9/17/2007 13:29 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:46:04 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to tolerate negat... Allow me to toss away.... You, KBP, are Paul Morely and I claim my five pounds. Seriously though, while Dylanesque is hardly Bryan's most significant and creative effort, it is a superbly crafted piece of work. Make You Feel My Love is easily Ferry's best recording in ages - an instant classic. He silenced a bloody stadium with that one. You really are missing out, which is rather a pity as i credited you as a KB with a rather more open mind. As to listening to Midnight Train...it's hardly Ferry being creative, a tedious knock off of the Avalon sound. Snore. J In a message dated 18/09/2007 17:57:13 GMT Standard Time, kbporter@verizon.net writes: "Ferry doing Elvis in Naples.There is a heaven on earth." Whilst only an appreciator and not an ardent fan of the late, great "King of Rock and Roll", I've frequently thought Mr. Ferry is very capable in his covers of Elvis Presley's work. Personally, I'd be much more interested in a album of Presley covers by Bryan Ferry than I would be in a covers album of, say, Bob Dylan... (Speaking of which, are there any other Avalonians out there who have not listened to "Dylanesque" despite owning a copy for months? I just feel no desire to hear it, can't be bothered to remove the wrapper. Not sure if my disaffection is due to living in the largely 'ignored' U.S./Bryan Ferry market, or if my apathy is promoted by the sunken realization that Mr. Ferry isn't even trying to being creative nowadays, or if I'm only depressed to find our most exciting conversations about BF's current work seems to center about an idea that all he has in store for us are covers, more covers, remakes/remodels, end of the line whistle stops on an endless track to some future promised date of montage originals... On a brighter note... If I had no expectations about BF's creative output, I'd have no built-in disappointment, would I... Come on J, hit me with your best shot and toss some gristle to chew...) np/ Midnight Train. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:18:59 +0100 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to tolerate negat... There is certainly much to admire in the craftsmanship he brings to his work. But if someome is just making the same painting or statue over and over again, albeit making it with the best technique and skill in the business, it will get sterile in the end. Midnight train might not be his most creative offering, but that album had a different sound to it as a whole which was quite interesting and I think still had his unique qualities. KBP I hope you give it a listen, you might be pleasantly surprised. One of my "I like Ferry but not like you do" mates was saying that he thought it was miles better than Frantic. Its worth it for the first track alone, which I am surprised more people on here don't rave about Cheers rob - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of KWil632057@aol.com Sent: 18 September 2007 22:46 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to tolerate negat... Allow me to toss away.... You, KBP, are Paul Morely and I claim my five pounds. Seriously though, while Dylanesque is hardly Bryan's most significant and creative effort, it is a superbly crafted piece of work. Make You Feel My Love is easily Ferry's best recording in ages - an instant classic. He silenced a bloody stadium with that one. You really are missing out, which is rather a pity as i credited you as a KB with a rather more open mind. As to listening to Midnight Train...it's hardly Ferry being creative, a tedious knock off of the Avalon sound. Snore. J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:19:09 +0200 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to tolerate negat... Morely/Snorely/Ignore me... J, bore me. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to tolerate negat... > Allow me to toss away.... > > You, KBP, are Paul Morely and I claim my five pounds. > > Seriously though, while Dylanesque is hardly Bryan's most significant and > creative effort, it is a superbly crafted piece of work. Make You Feel My > Love > is easily Ferry's best recording in ages - an instant classic. He silenced > a > bloody stadium with that one. > You really are missing out, which is rather a pity as i credited you as a > KB > with a rather more open mind. > > As to listening to Midnight Train...it's hardly Ferry being creative, a > tedious knock off of the Avalon sound. Snore. > > J > > > In a message dated 18/09/2007 17:57:13 GMT Standard Time, > kbporter@verizon.net writes: > > "Ferry doing Elvis in Naples.There is a heaven on earth." > > Whilst only an appreciator and not an ardent fan of the late, great "King > of > Rock and Roll", I've frequently thought Mr. Ferry is very capable in his > covers of Elvis Presley's work. Personally, I'd be much more interested > in > a album of Presley covers by Bryan Ferry than I would be in a covers > album > of, say, Bob Dylan... (Speaking of which, are there any other Avalonians > out there who have not listened to "Dylanesque" despite owning a copy for > months? I just feel no desire to hear it, can't be bothered to remove > the > wrapper. Not sure if my disaffection is due to living in the largely > 'ignored' U.S./Bryan Ferry market, or if my apathy is promoted by the > sunken > realization that Mr. Ferry isn't even trying to being creative nowadays, > or > if I'm only depressed to find our most exciting conversations about BF's > current work seems to center about an idea that all he has in store for > us > are covers, more covers, remakes/remodels, end of the line whistle stops > on > an endless track to some future promised date of montage originals... > > On a brighter note... If I had no expectations about BF's creative > output, > I'd have no built-in disappointment, would I... Come on J, hit me with > your > best shot and toss some gristle to chew...) > > np/ Midnight Train. > > KBP > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:35:57 +0100 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to tolerate negat... If you make that just a bit more concise it could be a lyric for the new Roxy album :) - -----Originaessage----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michiel van Sleen Sent: 18 September 2007 23:19 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to tolerate negat... Morely/Snorely/Ignore me... J, bore me. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:32:36 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to read) Midnight train might not be his most creative offering, but that album had a different sound to it as a whole which was quite interesting and I think still had his unique qualities. But Horoscope is hideously sterile. Bryan clearly thinks so now, we haven't seen MT turn up on any official releases! J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:39:21 +0200 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to tolerate negat... Morely than this? > If you make that just a bit more concise it could be a lyric for the new > Roxy album :) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:47:15 +0200 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to read, like J apparently) Sterile yes, but of course most of it is still unfinished. The word I'd use to describe it in general is "searching". Searching for a melody mostly, but also within himself, and without. For love, for attention, inspiration, railwaystation etc. Michiel - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Napoli Stupendo (do not read if you are unable to read) > Midnight train might not be his most creative offering, but that album > had a > different sound to it as a whole which was quite interesting and I think > still had his unique qualities. > > > But Horoscope is hideously sterile. Bryan clearly thinks so now, we > haven't > seen MT turn up on any official releases! > > J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V12 #232 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest