From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V12 #135 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, May 19 2007 Volume 12 : Number 135 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Could Ronson ignite Ferry? [jocelynfiske@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Could Ronson ignite Ferry? ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] Could Ronson ignite Ferry? [jocelynfiske@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Could Ronson ignite Ferry? [Terence OConnor Subject: RE: [AVALON] Could Ronson ignite Ferry? Yes, this thought crossed my mind too. Ronson's great but is his solo album any good? I subscribe to his podcast. I never have any confidence that Bryan listens to much new music. He has an answer at the ready in interviews eg Arcade Fire (although tellingly "I haven't got around to hearing the new album," .. it's a joke really. Ditto wonderful Amy Casa Vinicola, all he said was "I like her single, its a real song" (presumably Rehab)but I doubt he's explored the sublime Back To Black. Having said all this I find it amazing how he picks up such amazing guitarists. Someone somewhere is advising him in that department. His kids?? But would he have heard of Ronson? V much doubt it. To your question about Amy / Shirelles. She's on record as saying that its the Shangri-Las that took her in that direction. Apparently post-break-up she played their kitchen sink operetta "I Can Never Go Home Anymore" non-stop for 48 hours! Stupendo! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of jocelynfiske@aol.com Sent: 18 May 2007 11:36 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Could Ronson ignite Ferry? Following on from Martino's delight that Mr Ferry is an admirer of Amy Winebar, may I put forward a suggestion of Mark Ronson as a future Ferry collaborator? Known as an Englishman abroad New York based DJ brought up during the heady times of De la Soul and Tribe Called Quest with a healthy dollop of Dr Dre (another Ferry fave) and Snoop thrown in for good measure, he also has a box of Northern Soul, Motown and Stax classics to die for. He is also the producer responsible for the Mo-Staxesque (oooh now there's a thought) production of said Ms Winecellar's 2nd album. God knows who takes responsible for her backward hedge tribute to the Shirelles. Anyway, the point is, the man is brilliant at reinterpreting miserable old buggers like Coldplay, Radiohead and those lovable rogues The Smiths into unrecognisable 'versions' sparkling with Supremes morsecode guitar licks, a brass section to rival the Muscle Shoals Horns, and a constant groove thang. If Ferry ever, ever, ever decides to do an album of Stax covers or indeed an album of covers sounding like Stax classics, then Ronson's yer man. And what prompted me to post what has been lurking at the back of my mind for some time? Seeing him live last night at the Bloomsbury Ballroom (THE venue if AMA111 ever happened). Small stage, intimate venue, but live like live should be done, with full brass section and a million musicians all on top of their game and a jaw-dropped audience. It almost made me forgive him for Lilli Allen and Robbie Williams, eeuuw! Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 17:18 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 17:18 - ----- End forwarded message ----- ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 14:57:39 +0100 (BST) From: Terence OConnor Subject: Re: [AVALON] Could Ronson ignite Ferry? Good stuff Jocelyn, Yes, Ronson is flinty enough to spark Ferry into the 21st century, with a flash of staxmotownsoul thrown in, even a re-mix album of tracks from AT/AP and TBSB would be a thing to behold, perhaps Ferry could revisit his past with Ronson behind the producer/remix desk. Certainly Dylanesque would have been a much tougher album, rather than the lighter MOR feel it has. So perhaps Ronson should fuel the Roxy album from it's hesitant smouldering embers to a fully realised roaring fire. Terry 'O' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:16:08 +0100 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Could Ronson ignite Ferry? I still have it no better than 50/50 that the Roxy album will ever see the light of day. Which will be a shame if it has good material, and a blessing if Bryan isn't really committed to it.... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Terence OConnor Sent: 18 May 2007 14:58 To: jocelynfiske@aol.com; avalon Subject: Re: [AVALON] Could Ronson ignite Ferry? Good stuff Jocelyn, Yes, Ronson is flinty enough to spark Ferry into the 21st century, with a flash of staxmotownsoul thrown in, even a re-mix album of tracks from AT/AP and TBSB would be a thing to behold, perhaps Ferry could revisit his past with Ronson behind the producer/remix desk. Certainly Dylanesque would have been a much tougher album, rather than the lighter MOR feel it has. So perhaps Ronson should fuel the Roxy album from it's hesitant smouldering embers to a fully realised roaring fire. Terry 'O' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:10:18 -0400 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Could Ronson ignite Ferry? >Yes, this thought crossed my mind too. Ronson's great but is his solo album Well I love it, even if it is patchy. I like his original instrumental stuff and the way he finds a whole new way into a song. Even when I don't like the vocalist, the backing works for me. But he certainly divides opinion, perhaps more vehemently than the Dylanites reaction to Ferry post Hard Rain, Smiths fans have threatened to stab him in the eye for his version of Stop Me If You've Heard This One Before. I'd be interested in knowing what you Martino, as a Radiohead fan, make of his Maroon 5ish crack at Just. I throw my hands up in the air like I just don't care with a Busta Rhymes flair to Toxic, and I'm sure Ms Winemarana's re-do of The Klaxons Valerie will have you doing a Motown two step around your kitchen. >I never have any confidence that Bryan listens to much new music. He has an answer at the ready in interviews eg Arcade Fire (although tellingly "I haven't got around to hearing the new album," I'm certain he doesn't. I have no doubt his kids have gone Oi Dad take that bloody Doo Wop off and listen to the Red Hot Chilli Peppers. Dr Dre, Mary J Blige, Arcade Fire, Killers, Anthony and the Johnsons, Amy Wineglass (referred to in interview by Ferry as 'that girl') etc etc. Interestingly, Arcade Fire, Kaiser Chiefs and Dylanesque all came out on the same day, you'd think at least he might know that. >Having said all this I find it amazing how he picks up such amazing guitarists. Someone somewhere is advising him in that department. His kids?? Ollie's a friend of Isaac's. But a lot of the people he works with recommend people they've worked with, and so it goes. >But would he have heard of Ronson? V much doubt it. I doubt it too. Hopefully someone might shove Version his way to show him how original a covers album can be. And maybe if he's so into Dre and Mary J he'll get into Ronson's hip-hoppier first album. >To your question about Amy / Shirelles. She's on record as saying that its the Shangri-Las that took her in that direction. Oh that rings a bell now. Did someone Shangri-Las?? Calling Steve Siren, calling Steve Siren.... Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:03:50 +0100 (BST) From: Terence OConnor Subject: RE: [AVALON] Could Ronson ignite Ferry? rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk wrote: "Bryan isn't really committed to it...." If the solo re-invention proves to be commercially & financially successful I don't think he will re-introduce Roxy, I certainly think it's easier to trot out the solo stuff and have complete artistic control over himself, rather than get involved with group politics. Although from my uneducated view I can't imagine a more amiable & solid duo than Manzanera & MacKay. Heaven only knows we have already had 3 son's of Avalon (B&Gs/BN & Mamouna). I personally think Ferry should have saved Fool For Love, I Thought, Hiroshima & Sam Simion as the basis for the Roxy album, they were wasted on Frantic. Terry 'O' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:22:54 -0400 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Could Ronson ignite Ferry? > even a re-mix album of tracks from AT/AP and TBSB would be a thing to behold, perhaps Ferry could revisit his past with Ronson behind the producer/remix desk. Could you imagine his Motown version of Carrickfergus??!! Great idea though Terry. >B So perhaps Ronson should fuel the Roxy albumB from it's hesitant smouldering embers to a fully realised roaring fire. And have the spotlight shine on a rampant triple-tracked Andy MacKay for a change.B B =2 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V12 #135 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest