From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V12 #106 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, April 20 2007 Volume 12 : Number 106 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Ferry minds the Gap! [kwil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] Proper Gander [Chandla911@aol.com] [AVALON] Saying something without qualification [Chandla911@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Proper Gander ["Michiel van Sleen" ] Re: [AVALON] Saying something without qualification ["Michiel van Sleen" ] [AVALON] Indie on Sunday ["Nigel Hollis" ] Re: [AVALON] Indie on Sunday [Jane Fraser ] [AVALON] Sansebastian Jazz Festival ["adrian jackson" ] RE: [AVALON] Indie on Sunday [] Re: [AVALON] OK, I'm invoking Godwin's Law now ["Michiel van Sleen" ] Re: [AVALON] OK, I'm invoking Godwin's Law now [Joel Hurd ] RE: [AVALON] The King of Cool [] RE: [AVALON] The King of Cool [Colleen Matan ] RE: [AVALON] The King of Cool ["Andrew Shearer" ] Re: [AVALON] The King of Cool ["Michiel van Sleen" ] RE: [AVALON] The King of Cool ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] Jonathan Ross Show - was Proper Gander [kwil632057@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] The King of Cool ["KB Porter" ] Re: [AVALON] Jonathan Ross Show - was Proper Gander ["Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Proper Gander Jocelyn beat you to it, Richard. But who was the master of this master? The proper gander leading the masses in goosestep? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:51 AM Subject: [AVALON] Proper Gander > KBP wrote: "As Jocelyn wrote, the Nazi machine was all about seducing and > reprogramming > the masses, and I'd be the first to admit that Hitler was the modern day > master of propaganda." > > Wasn't that Goebbels? > > > Best wishes > Richard Mills > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:35:00 +0200 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Saying something without qualification And yours truly beat you to that. I also blamed the press for twisting facts in this case. Yours, Truly - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: [AVALON] Saying something without qualification > KBP further wrote: "This is not an issue of aesthetics vs. ideology. > Rather > it is an issue of > Bryan Ferry saying something without qualification, something he should > have > known would be offensive to many, many people given the way he offered up > his words. This is an issue about Bryan Ferry acting rather out of > character." > > Do we know what he said? Were we there? No-one (I don't think) has yet > opined that the journalist might have selectively quoted Bryan Fuhrer for > their > own purposes (of making a newsworthy story out of a promo interview) and > the > poor M&S model has had to apologise just to keep on an even keel... > > Once an unscrupulous journo writes something, other journos are so lazy > and > unbothered to check facts that the whole thing ends up repeated verbatim > in > the Independent, the Mail and possibly even the Sun. > > Do I think Ferry capable of an unguarded moment of monumental daftness? > Yes. > Do I know he had one in this instance? No. > > Best wishes > Richard Mills > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:36:28 +0100 From: "Nigel Hollis" Subject: [AVALON] Indie on Sunday Jocelyn writes :- bog-standard(what!!!!) concentration camps OK, well, "run of the mill then" - they wern`t exactly a "one off" were they? Sorry if it sounds so shocking. KBB writes :- Had BF qualified his admiration of 'nazi imagery' by making it clear that he was speaking strictly in terms of 'art history aesthetics' Why does he have to? All we ever get these days is huge dollops of PC splattered over everything and every issue. No one is able to speak openly, plainly and honestly without fear of "offending" someone, somebody, some race, creed, religion, sex... you name it (this is not to condone preaching or inciting hatred of which Mr Ferry obviously was not). Everyone seems to want to outdo everyone else in the "indignant" and "pious" stakes. It`s quite refreshing the fact that Mr Ferry spoke openly and spontaneously 'loose tongue unfiltered' as KBP puts it. Why does his every thought have to be sifted and pre-manufactured just because the utterance happens to be in public. After all, who is Mr Ferry and from what great moral heights is he expected to speak from? He is a rock artist with a particular view and not a politician. N. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:57:08 +0000 From: "adrian jackson" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Indie on Sunday well said nigel. personally I'm sick to death of PC. let's speak our minds. people are far too sensitive & quick to accuse others of racism, facism etc. Hitler ruined it for right-wing politics. if you don't speak left of centre then you're deemed evil. where the 'left' are deemed as caring & sharing etc - all good stuff. Have people forgot that Stalin actually killed more people than Hitler? As they were Russians & not Jews, he's always seen in a more favourable light. Statues of Stalin still exist in Russia today. But Hitler, no way. I don't condone anything that these men did, but why should anything that's right-wing be evil? I expect some flack for this. we do live in a democracy - so bring it on! Ade. >>KBB writes :- > >Had BF qualified his admiration of 'nazi imagery' by making it clear that >he was speaking strictly in terms of 'art history aesthetics' > >Why does he have to? > >All we ever get these days is huge dollops of PC splattered over everything >and every issue. No one is able to speak openly, plainly and honestly >without fear of "offending" someone, somebody, some race, creed, religion, >sex... you name it (this is not to condone preaching or inciting hatred of >which Mr Ferry obviously was not). Everyone seems to want to outdo everyone >else in the "indignant" and "pious" stakes. It`s quite refreshing the fact >that Mr Ferry spoke openly and spontaneously 'loose tongue unfiltered' as >KBP puts it. Why does his every thought have to be sifted and >pre-manufactured just because the utterance happens to be in public. After >all, who is Mr Ferry and from what great moral heights is he expected to >speak from? He is a rock artist with a particular view and not a >politician. > >N. > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:52:14 +0100 From: Jane Fraser Subject: Re: [AVALON] Indie on Sunday There is a letter in support of Ferry in the Daily Mail today. It points out that when Ken Livingston (Mayor of London) made derogatory remarks about the Nazis he was treated the same way. You can't win. Jane ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:05:13 +0000 From: "adrian jackson" Subject: [AVALON] Sansebastian Jazz Festival Apart from BF playing at this festival (for link, go to vivaroxmusic.com), it appears The Sly & The Family Stone are playing too. I never thought Sly Stone would come out of retirement. Unless it's Rocky Balboa & his mamma who's playing instead!! For anyone who doesn't know, Andy Newmark once played with them. Wonder if he'll kill 2 birds & play at both gigs? Ade. _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:09:49 -0400 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Indie on Sunday Lets get back to Ferry. Can we start a petition to get Jocelyn to tell us about the Newcastle gig? J -----Original Message----- From: adejacko@hotmail.com To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11.57AM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Indie on Sunday well said nigel. personally I'm sick to death of PC. let's speak our minds. people are far too sensitive & quick to accuse others of racism, facism etc. Hitler ruined it for right-wing politics. if you don't speak left of centre then you're deemed evil. where the 'left' are deemed as caring & sharing etc - all good stuff. Have people forgot that Stalin actually killed more people than Hitler? As they were Russians & not Jews, he's always seen in a more favourable light. Statues of Stalin still exist in Russia today. But Hitler, no way. I don't condone anything that these men did, but why should anything that's right-wing be evil? I expect some flack for this. we do live in a democracy - so bring it on! Ade. >>KBB writes :- > >Had BF qualified his admiration of 'nazi imagery' by making it clear that >he was speaking strictly in terms of 'art history aesthetics' > >Why does he have to? > >All we ever get these days is huge dollops of PC splattered over everything >and every issue. No one is able to speak openly, plainly and honestly >without fear of "offending" someone, somebody, some race, creed, religion, >sex... you name it (this is not to condone preaching or inciting hatred of >which Mr Ferry obviously was not). Everyone seems to want to outdo everyone >else in the "indignant" and "pious" stakes. It`s quite refreshing the fact >that Mr Ferry spoke openly and spontaneously 'loose tongue unfiltered' as >KBP puts it. Why does his every thought have to be sifted and >pre-manufactured just because the utterance happens to be in public. After >all, who is Mr Ferry and from what great moral heights is he expected to >speak from? He is a rock artist with a particular view and not a >politician. > >N. > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:30:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] OK, I'm invoking Godwin's Law now On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, adrian jackson wrote: > I expect some flack for this. we do live in a democracy - so bring it on! Unfortunately, this list is not a democracy. No one is going to change anyone else's mind on this, so it's time to take this to private email. This isn't about Ferry anymore. I am also going to say a few things before I close this topic: finding Hitler and the entire Nazi movement abhorrent is not "political correctness". It is a quite normal reaction to the systematic torture and murder of millions of innocent people. Second, just because someone has the right to say something doesn't mean that the people who hear it have only "Good for you!" as their only response. Bryan said something stupid and he's not reaping what he has sown. That is not "political correctness". That is real life. No one is immune from criticism. Not even Bryan. Colleen p.s. Jocelyn, get to work on that concert review! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:50:49 +0100 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Indie on Sunday Signed. Come on Jocelyn use those descriptive skills to tell us why it was the best ever gig. Home turf? Great atmosphere? Superb performance? Also does anyone know what sort of set Ferry does at the Countryside Alliance thing? I'm getting nagged by Mrs Whiteford as she likes Ferry and Jon Anderson (don't blame me) Cheers Rob - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of kwil632057@aol.com Sent: 20 April 2007 12:10 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Indie on Sunday Lets get back to Ferry. Can we start a petition to get Jocelyn to tell us about the Newcastle gig? J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:06:29 +0200 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] OK, I'm invoking Godwin's Law now JAWOHL! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Matan" To: Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: [AVALON] OK, I'm invoking Godwin's Law now > On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, adrian jackson wrote: > >> I expect some flack for this. we do live in a democracy - so bring it on! > > Unfortunately, this list is not a democracy. No one is going to change > anyone else's mind on this, so it's time to take this to private email. > This isn't about Ferry anymore. > > I am also going to say a few things before I close this topic: finding > Hitler and the entire Nazi movement abhorrent is not "political > correctness". It is a quite normal reaction to the systematic torture and > murder of millions of innocent people. Second, just because someone has > the right to say something doesn't mean that the people who hear it have > only "Good for you!" as their only response. Bryan said something stupid > and he's not reaping what he has sown. That is not "political > correctness". That is real life. No one is immune from criticism. Not > even Bryan. > > Colleen > p.s. Jocelyn, get to work on that concert review! > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:12:39 +0200 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Indie on Sunday Y. Truly - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Indie on Sunday > Signed. > > Come on Jocelyn use those descriptive skills to tell us why it was the > best > ever gig. Home turf? Great atmosphere? Superb performance? > > Also does anyone know what sort of set Ferry does at the Countryside > Alliance thing? I'm getting nagged by Mrs Whiteford as she likes Ferry and > Jon Anderson (don't blame me) > > Cheers > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > kwil632057@aol.com > Sent: 20 April 2007 12:10 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Indie on Sunday > > Lets get back to Ferry. > > Can we start a petition to get Jocelyn to tell us about the Newcastle gig? > > J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:42:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Hurd Subject: Re: [AVALON] OK, I'm invoking Godwin's Law now The entire Nazi movement? The Nazi's autobahn project is not on the same moral plane as the Nazi's eugenics social policies. - ---joel - --- Colleen Matan wrote: > finding Hitler and the entire Nazi movement abhorrent is not > "political correctness". Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:28:36 -0400 From: "KB Porter" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Bring It On I second Jonathan's motion. I love reading your reviews, Jocelyn! Your perspective is delightful... Best Wishes. KBP [I'll wait a while before posting very belatedly re probably the best Ferry concert I have ever seen since the In Your Mind Tour and the best Ferry encore since Roadrunner. Tell on, Jocelyn! j] ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:36:10 +0100 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] The King of Cool http://archive.digitalroutes.co.uk/roxy/largeimages/ferry011.JPG I hope John O'Brien doesn't mind me posting this link to his "picture of the day" on Viva. How utterly ridiculous. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:47:01 -0400 From: Colleen Matan Subject: RE: [AVALON] The King of Cool Quoting rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk: > http://archive.digitalroutes.co.uk/roxy/largeimages/ferry011.JPG > > I hope John O'Brien doesn't mind me posting this link to his "picture of the > day" on Viva. > > How utterly ridiculous. The all-too-short-lived gaucho phase. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:54:39 +0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: RE: [AVALON] The King of Cool what's the chances of Jonathan Ross using that as a backdrop tonight (tho I guess it was recorded last night) >From: >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: RE: [AVALON] The King of Cool >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:36:10 +0100 > >http://archive.digitalroutes.co.uk/roxy/largeimages/ferry011.JPG > >I hope John O'Brien doesn't mind me posting this link to his "picture of >the >day" on Viva. > >How utterly ridiculous. > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:01:42 +0100 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] The King of Cool Colleen, If it had lasted for the millisecond it took that flashbulb to go off, that would have been a millisecond too long. The King of Fool in this one instance. :) Cheers rob - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Colleen Matan Sent: 20 April 2007 14:47 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] The King of Cool Quoting rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk: > http://archive.digitalroutes.co.uk/roxy/largeimages/ferry011.JPG > > I hope John O'Brien doesn't mind me posting this link to his "picture of the > day" on Viva. > > How utterly ridiculous. The all-too-short-lived gaucho phase. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:42:33 +0200 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The King of Cool And this zany, nutsy, Disney pirate with his shy girly smile dares to talk about the superior dress (to kill) code of the Nazi's? Okay, this Gaucho-outfit almost killed me too, I confess. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "'Colleen Matan'" ; Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 4:01 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] The King of Cool > Colleen, > > If it had lasted for the millisecond it took that flashbulb to go off, > that > would have been a millisecond too long. > > The King of Fool in this one instance. :) > > Cheers > rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Colleen Matan > Sent: 20 April 2007 14:47 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: RE: [AVALON] The King of Cool > > Quoting rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk: > >> http://archive.digitalroutes.co.uk/roxy/largeimages/ferry011.JPG >> >> I hope John O'Brien doesn't mind me posting this link to his "picture of > the >> day" on Viva. >> >> How utterly ridiculous. > > > The all-too-short-lived gaucho phase. > > Colleen > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:49:05 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] The King of Cool As someone who saw it live at the Finsbury Astoria in 74 I can attest that the old nazi carried it off in style. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michiel van Sleen Sent: 20 April 2007 15:43 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] The King of Cool And this zany, nutsy, Disney pirate with his shy girly smile dares to talk about the superior dress (to kill) code of the Nazi's? Okay, this Gaucho-outfit almost killed me too, I confess. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "'Colleen Matan'" ; Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 4:01 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] The King of Cool > Colleen, > > If it had lasted for the millisecond it took that flashbulb to go off, > that > would have been a millisecond too long. > > The King of Fool in this one instance. :) > > Cheers > rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Colleen Matan > Sent: 20 April 2007 14:47 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: RE: [AVALON] The King of Cool > > Quoting rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk: > >> http://archive.digitalroutes.co.uk/roxy/largeimages/ferry011.JPG >> >> I hope John O'Brien doesn't mind me posting this link to his "picture of > the >> day" on Viva. >> >> How utterly ridiculous. > > > The all-too-short-lived gaucho phase. > > Colleen > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:06:01 -0400 From: "KB Porter" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Proper Gander "Wasn't that Goebbels?" Yes, and No. Goebbels was the Minister of gander - the right tool for the job. But I regard Hitler as the modern-day master of propaganda because he knew who to use for what roles and Hitler knew how to handle them to achieve his desired ends. True, Goebbels was the means, but Hitler was the mastermind, the puppeteer, if you will. "Once an unscrupulous journo writes something, other journos are so lazy and unbothered to check facts that the whole thing ends up repeated verbatim in the Independent, the Mail and possibly even the Sun. Do I think Ferry capable of an unguarded moment of monumental daftness? Yes. Do I know he had one in this instance? No." Point well taken, Richard. When Michiel counteracted my argument with the 'Journo card' I went to the source article in "Welt Am Sonntag" online. http://www.welt.de/wams_print/article744996/Ich_waere_gern_ein_Amateur.html The article is one of question and answer. To the best of my ability based upon my poor understanding of German, I do not think that Mr. Ferry's words were altered or taken out of context. Even though he discusses art influences in his life he does not seem to make any distinction between 'Nazi art' vs. 'German art and artists' of the same period. He seems to equate them as being one in the same. And that is the rub, therein. Of course, I may be wrong in my interpretation. Perhaps one of our German speakers (Stephen P. or Christian S.) would be so kind as to translate the article for the list. ... Jocelyn - where's that concert post?!!! Best Wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:17:39 -0400 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jonathan Ross Show - was Proper Gander I think Colleen requested that we drop this KB, which I'm all for. So...Anybody want to take a bet as to what he will be performing on the Jonathan Ross show tonight? J -----Original Message----- From: kbporter@verizon.net To: Avalon@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 4.06PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Proper Gander "Wasn't that Goebbels?" Yes, and No. Goebbels was the Minister of gander - the right tool for the job. But I regard Hitler as the modern-day master of propaganda because he knew who to use for what roles and Hitler knew how to handle them to achieve his desired ends. True, Goebbels was the means, but Hitler was the mastermind, the puppeteer, if you will. "Once an unscrupulous journo writes something, other journos are so lazy and unbothered to check facts that the whole thing ends up repeated verbatim in the Independent, the Mail and possibly even the Sun. Do I think Ferry capable of an unguarded moment of monumental daftness? Yes. Do I know he had one in this instance? No." Point well taken, Richard. When Michiel counteracted my argument with the 'Journo card' I went to the source article in "Welt Am Sonntag" online. http://www.welt.de/wams_print/article744996/Ich_waere_gern_ein_Amateur.html The article is one of question and answer. To the best of my ability based upon my poor understanding of German, I do not think that Mr. Ferry's words were altered or taken out of context. Even though he discusses art influences in his life he does not seem to make any distinction between 'Nazi art' vs. 'German art and artists' of the same period. He seems to equate them as being one in the same. And that is the rub, therein. Of course, I may be wrong in my interpretation. Perhaps one of our German speakers (Stephen P. or Christian S.) would be so kind as to translate the article for the list. ... Jocelyn - where's that concert post?!!! Best Wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:25:36 -0400 From: "KB Porter" Subject: RE: [AVALON] The King of Cool Quick. Get me my burrow! Tying my lasso. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:38:54 +0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jonathan Ross Show - was Proper Gander supposed to be 'WatchTower but hear it's Bitter Sweet.... >From: kwil632057@aol.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jonathan Ross Show - was Proper Gander >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:17:39 -0400 > > I think Colleen requested that we drop this KB, which I'm all for. > > So...Anybody want to take a bet as to what he will be performing on the >Jonathan Ross show tonight? > > > J > > -----Original Message----- > From: kbporter@verizon.net > To: Avalon@smoe.org > Sent: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 4.06PM > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Proper Gander > > "Wasn't that Goebbels?" > >Yes, and No. > >Goebbels was the Minister of gander - the right tool for the job. But I >regard Hitler as the modern-day master of propaganda because he knew who to >use for what roles and Hitler knew how to handle them to achieve his >desired >ends. True, Goebbels was the means, but Hitler was the mastermind, the >puppeteer, if you will. > > >"Once an unscrupulous journo writes something, other journos are so lazy >and > >unbothered to check facts that the whole thing ends up repeated verbatim in >the Independent, the Mail and possibly even the Sun. > >Do I think Ferry capable of an unguarded moment of monumental daftness? >Yes. >Do I know he had one in this instance? No." > > >Point well taken, Richard. When Michiel counteracted my argument with the >'Journo card' I went to the source article in "Welt Am Sonntag" online. >http://www.welt.de/wams_print/article744996/Ich_waere_gern_ein_Amateur.html >The article is one of question and answer. To the best of my ability based >upon my poor understanding of German, I do not think that Mr. Ferry's words >were altered or taken out of context. Even though he discusses art >influences in his life he does not seem to make any distinction between >'Nazi art' vs. 'German art and artists' of the same period. He seems to >equate them as being one in the same. And that is the rub, therein. Of >course, I may be wrong in my interpretation. Perhaps one of our German >speakers (Stephen P. or Christian S.) would be so kind as to translate the >article for the list. > >... Jocelyn - where's that concert post?!!! > > >Best Wishes. KBP > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Could you be the guest MSN Movies presenter? Click Here to Audition http://www.lightscameraaudition.co.uk ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:12:33 -0400 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Ferry storms on Oh the pressure! As you may have already guessed, this is the Newcastle City Hall gig night. Friday April 13th. Lucky for some. Well, considering the fact that half the list was there and to a man/laydee/laydee-boy we were all blown away, I thought perhaps there might have been a Newcastle exposC) by now. (O'B, Tracy, Mark, Duncan, Alan et al, I expect a follow up!). Right, here we go. Phone calls galore the day of the concert and I'm fielding instructions and requests like a seasoned air traffic controller. Where are you? In the Pacific. They don't do food any more. Where are you going? Hang on a minute I've got someone on the other line. Where is everyone, I'm in the Pacific? They don't do food any more. Where are you going? I don't know I'll ring you back? I've arrived from Glasgow but I can't get a hotel room, where are you? I was in and out of the Pacific so often I'm sure they though I was Newcastle's number one drug baron. So I'm minding my own business in Northumberland Street and a steady stream of what can only be described as "Scottish folk" are asking me if there's a bar in there (the City Hall). Keep up. Even bus stops in Newcastle have bars. Anyway, eventually we all meet somewhere or the other with/without food with drinks the same price for a triple as for a single - this is Newcastle on a Friday night don't forget, and we settle down to prepare for the night ahead. My stomach starts churning. Not the drink, not the food. Nerves. this hasn't happened in ages and I believe it was a legacy of the disastrous audience at The Sage only a month previously. The City Hall Roxy audiences of the 70's are flashing through my head and I'm hoping we might recapture just a drop of those days. I'm also worried that we'll let the band down again. Anyway, fast forward to the concert. The unfeasible high stage obscuring some angle no matter where you sit at the front, you can see it going through everyone's minds - first note, up! Apart from the fact that we'd decided in the restaurant, first note up. Or leg it depending on where you were. Guess what? First note. Up! The band looked genuinely amazed. The roar went up like the Toon had scored the winning goal in the FA Cup Final (circa '55). The back stalls lunged to the front and picking up out of control speed, clattered with a thud into the stage. And we're off. It doesn't take three songs to realise no-one is ever going to sit down again. Some of the "oldies" and I mean proper oldie relatives, stayed seated grinning like maniacs as punters around them asked "can you see alreet hinny?" Ferry and band on top form and feeding like vampires off the audience. From memory Ferry, never slow on the one-two-three hand held high count out to the band, sang on, doubling on already sang verses and not because he'd forgotten he'd sang them, more because he was having a ball. I think TTTAAC, AATWT and AHRAGF all got this treatment. The backing girls and Amanda have struck up a real bond and we're laughing and giggling their way through. Amanda is impressing me more and more - and after Ms Watkins that's a very hard act to follow. Little Ollie goes from strength to strength but I think Leo Abrahams is the guitarist that will interest me most out of the Ferry set-up, as he will a multitude of Geordie lasses who ran their mobile batteries dry taking pictures of him while screaming "How man, you're fit!" at the poor bloke. I ducked many a flying false nail but had my elbow opened up on a dangerously out of control footballer's wives bling ring. Watch out Bryan, you've got pin-up competition. The interval came and the audience perched on their seat backs then stood up and gave both Ian Dixon and Colin Good a standing ovation after their respective solos. Then ASWITR and everyone's up again singing along at the top of their voices. How fabulous to find a knowledgeable audience where the so-called obscure songs are as well known and received as Jealous Guy. Ferry announces that he's been coming to the City Hall since he was 10 (drowned out by hurrays) but this was the best audience he's ever seen. Mind you, he says that every City Hall gig, but I think he may have meant it this time. We come to the drummer swap over and sure enough the Big Man returns, but this time announced as Founder Member of Roxy Music. Paul's just warming up and we've finished LITD. He'd downloaded Hold on Im Coming from the internet because he hadn't heard it since he was 16, just in case (piece of piss I'm reliably informed) but Andy Newmark returns. Now this is the exceptional encore. It really gave me an insight into how it might have been to see a Ferry fronted Gasboard in full flight. The girls looked like they might explode as they were forced to extend the song yet again. Ferry forget himself completely, holding on and on and on until he could hold on no more, and with a last gasped strangled I'm coming, he was gone. And the whole of the City Hall lit up a metaphorical post coital ciggie. Much mirth ensued later. We bumped into Bryan's Mum's last two remaining sisters - Auntie Enid stating in no uncertain fashion that my Washingtonian Auntie Winnie was not a real Washingtonian because she'd never heard of her! They must know everyone in the village. J O'B bumped into Valerie Please's sister (Valerie is really Suzy but it didn't scan). He also struck the fear of God into poor M'eesha later when he told her he'd told Bryan that she plays trumpet (she does) and that he was putting Price of Love into the set and she had to play the intro. Bryan easily downed a bottle of white wine and graciously let all comers bend his ear before he scuttled off into a corner with best mate Jonathan Somerset. TGPT proudly showed off his new M&S Autograph shirt and denied it had been stolen from Bryan's dressing room and we picked through a list of bands that had played Newcastle's famous defunked Mayfair Ballroom to discover that Chris Spedding had played there more times than anyone else during the 70's as himself, the Sharks and the Wombles! It was just one of those fantastic fun nights made more memorable by great music and good company. But it just proved that as location, location, location is all to estate agents, so audience, audience, audience is what ignites bands. Now excuse me while I compile a set-list for the revival Ferry Stax tour I've suggested. Jocelyn =0 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V12 #106 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest