From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V12 #105 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, April 20 2007 Volume 12 : Number 105 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Is this Bryan's Book of the Week perhaps? ["Simon Galloway" ] RE: [AVALON] Dress ["KB Porter" ] RE: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article ["KB Porter" Subject: [AVALON] Is this Bryan's Book of the Week perhaps? *http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/book_week.shtml* ** *Monday 16 - Friday 20 April 2007 Leni: The Life and Work of Leni Riefenstahl *By Steven Bach, read by Kenneth Branagh Leni Riefenstahl was one of the greatest women film directors of the 20th century, famous for her *Triumph of the Will*, a propaganda film of the 1934 Nazi Party rally in Nuremberg, Germany and for her film of the 1936 Olympics at Berlin, orchestrated as Nazi propaganda. This biography looks behind the myths and legends which have cloaked Leni Riefenstahl's actions during the Nazi period. And last night's Front Row had a very interesting interview with the author of the above book. No mention of Bry though. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/frontrow/past_programmes.shtml Simon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:08:25 +0100 From: "Nigel Hollis" Subject: [AVALON] INDIE on Sunday Michiel writes :- "I hope most of us will eventually agree that Ferry actually said nothing wrong, but that he could have known that many people - especially those who have suffered from the Nazi's - would take offence, misinterpreting his words". He said nothing wrong but the fact that he used a German magazine as a platform for this particular artistic view could be seen to be a little unfortunate. If that interview had been in any other national news organ I doubt if anyone would have raised an eyebrow. IMHO this whole episode is little more than a Storm Trooper in a tea cup......... N. N. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:37:37 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Hampton Court Of all the events at Hampton Court this summer, the Tom Jones evening has been selected as the Prince's Trust fundraiser. Presumably, Bryan Ferry was considered too middle class? Best wishes Richard Mills ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:38:49 +0100 From: "Nigel Hollis" Subject: [AVALON] Dress KPB writes :- "Ferry should know better than to stupidly acknowledge admiration of anything Nazi unless he supports the Nazi movement" Well I certainly think that the a Nazi officer running a bog standard concentration camp in Germany had a far superior style and dress code than his counterpart British officer running a concentration camp in Africa...."the fit and the cut" Does this make me a Nazi?? N. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:18:40 -0400 From: "KB Porter" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dress Nigel asks: "Well I certainly think that the a Nazi officer running a bog standard concentration camp in Germany had a far superior style and dress code than his counterpart British officer running a concentration camp in Africa...."the fit and the cut" Does this make me a Nazi??" Why would your statement make you a Nazi? "The fit and the cut" is the same as 'hand in glove', isn't it? We could list all the awful things that people are capable of doing and have done to other people in the name of faith, country, power... but lists get us nowhere. As Jocelyn wrote, the Nazi machine was all about seducing and reprogramming the masses, and I'd be the first to admit that Hitler was the modern day master of propaganda. Other than that I can not find anything admirable about the miscreant. Again, the comments that Bryan Ferry made were offensive because in the context with which they were given (and his words were not taken out of context by the media) he seemed insensitive at best. Had BF qualified his admiration of 'nazi imagery' by making it clear that he was speaking strictly in terms of 'art history aesthetics' and doing so in a more receptive venue he would not have come encountered any guff from me. But he did not, and he did speak with great recklessness. I've accepted his 'apology'. We all make mistakes. Hopefully we learn from them, too. Finished whipping the dead horse, KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:44:24 -0400 From: "KB Porter" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article Jonathan writes: "But, to a lesser level, do we not enjoy the music of Bryan Ferry despite the fact that some of us find his pro-fox hunting sympathies abhorrant? In that particular case, he actually believes in the cause, but you haven't taken your money elsewhere have you?" You assume that I hold anti-hunt sentiments, which I do not. To insinuate that the Nazi Holocaust is on par with fox hunting is not only absurd, it is a slap in the face of humanity. "Please give some credit to those of us who can seperate the aesthetic from the ideology. Contrary to what you might read on here sometimes, I'm an educated person and am perfectly capable to make the distinction." This is not an issue of aesthetics vs. ideology. Rather it is an issue of Bryan Ferry saying something without qualification, something he should have known would be offensive to many, many people given the way he offered up his words. This is an issue about Bryan Ferry acting rather out of character. The larger and more interesting questions have not been answered: I, just as Stephen P. and others, have been patiently waiting for an answer to BF's strange behavior as of late, i.e. abruptly leaving the stage during performances, talking to the media in an erratic way. Stage splitting might be a case of 'prostrate can't wait', but it doesn't explain 'loose tongue unfiltered'. Is anyone thinking what I'm thinking? - May be old habits can never be burned out of your mind. Best Wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:09:56 -0400 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article And -----Original Message----- From: kbporter@verizon.net To: Avalon@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 2.44PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article Jonathan writes: "But, to a lesser level, do we not enjoy the music of Bryan Ferry despite the fact that some of us find his pro-fox hunting sympathies abhorrant? In that particular case, he actually believes in the cause, but you haven't taken your money elsewhere have you?" You assume that I hold anti-hunt sentiments, which I do not. To insinuate that the Nazi Holocaust is on par with fox hunting is not only absurd, it is a slap in the face of humanity. >> Hence - "To a lesser level" at the start of the paragraph KB. And don't over react. ?"Please give some credit to those of us who can seperate the aesthetic from the ideology. Contrary to what you might read on here sometimes, I'm an educated person and am perfectly capable to make the distinction." This is not an issue of aesthetics vs. ideology. Rather it is an issue of Bryan Ferry saying something without qualification, something he should have known would be offensive to many, many people given the way he offered up his words. This is an issue about Bryan Ferry acting rather out of character. The larger and more interesting questions have not been answered: I, just as Stephen P. and others, have been patiently waiting for an answer to BF's strange behavior as of late, i.e. abruptly leaving the stage during performances, talking to the media in an erratic way. >> Not to mention him embarking on when of the best tours of his career according to many long term fans. Sorry, he's not acting weird at all. J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:20:03 -0400 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dress >and I'd be the first to admit that Hitler was the modern day master of propaganda. Couldn't agree with you more, and I don't wish to sound pedantic KB, but Josef Goebbels was actually the Master of Propaganda (and wonderful father to his 6 murdered children!). Hitler was the Master of Spotting a Psycho to work for a Psycho. Believe me, I understand marketing (propaganda by any other name) and its powers of persuasion, I've worked in it for almost 30 years and although I've had my fair share of egotists, liars, and business-driven psychopaths as employers (Jeffrey Archer fits this last category to a profiling T- not that he's employed me you understand!) I'm happy to say I haven't been briefed to provide the aesthetic tools and the broadcast persuasion to sent millions of people to bog-standard(what!!!!) concentration camps and impending death. And since flippancy seems to desert me at the moment, and I have no wish to have the last word - something that is becoming boringly endemic on this list, I'll wait a while before posting very belatedly re probably the best Ferry concert I have ever seen since the In Your Mind Tour and the best Ferry encore since Roadrunner. Jocely ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:41:55 -0400 From: bphilipson@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dress Does anyone still have a link to the entire interview that started this whole thread? I'll admit I didn't read it closely enough and I'd like to be able to form my own opinion on Bryan's comments. -----Original Message----- From: jocelynfiske@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dress >and I'd be the first to admit that Hitler was the modern day master of propaganda. Couldn't agree with you more, and I don't wish to sound pedantic KB, but Josef Goebbels was actually the Master of Propaganda (and wonderful father to his 6 murdered children!). Hitler was the Master of Spotting a Psycho to work for a Psycho. Believe me, I understand marketing (propaganda by any other name) and its powers of persuasion, I've worked in it for almost 30 years and although I've had my fair share of egotists, liars, and business-driven psychopaths as employers (Jeffrey Archer fits this last category to a profiling T- not that he's employed me you understand!) I'm happy to say I haven't been briefed to provide the aesthetic tools and the broadcast persuasion to sent millions of people to bog-standard(what!!!!) concentration camps and impending death. And since flippancy seems to desert me at the moment, and I have no wish to have the last word - something that is becoming boringly endemic on this list, I'll wait a while before posting very belatedly re probably the best Ferry concert I have ever seen since the In Your Mind Tour and the best Ferry encore since Roadrunner. Jocely ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:55:02 +0200 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article Objection, your Honour! Conjecture. > Stage splitting might be a case of 'prostrate can't wait', but it doesn't > explain 'loose tongue unfiltered'. Is anyone thinking what I'm > hinking? - > May be old habits can never be burned out of your mind. > > Best Wishes. KBP > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:57:28 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Leo's new album I know some people outside of the UK are irked by what seems like a Brit-only download system for the new Leo Abrahams (Roxy Music, Bryan Ferry band, Ed Harcourt, Brian Eno, Paul Simon, etc) album Searching 1906. I mentioned this to Leo and he replies: "My label tells me it will be on itunes, emusic and most others from Monday..." Happy listening Richard Mills ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:03:26 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dress In a message dated 19/04/2007 16:25:36 GMT Standard Time, jocelynfiske@aol.com writes: I'll wait a while before posting very belatedly re probably the best Ferry concert I have ever seen since the In Your Mind Tour and the best Ferry encore since Roadrunner. Tell on, Jocelyn! j ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V12 #105 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest