From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V12 #100 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, April 16 2007 Volume 12 : Number 100 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Oh dear - Independent on Sunday ["Andrew Shearer" ] Re: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article ["Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Oh dear - Independent on Sunday "Bryan Ferry's Nazi Gaffe" Almost a whole page devoted to BF's comments in German magazine extolling the virtues of Riefenstahl, mass parades etc. I think he's been misunderstood but it seems everyone is gunning for him - even the Anti-blood sports campaigners are saying the Countryside Alliance should disown him. God supportive comment from Steve Howard (manager) though. I don't have time to copy out but hopefully it's online. Andrew _________________________________________________________________ Match.com - Click Here To Find Singles In Your Area Today! http://msnuk.match.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:01:18 +0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2449976.ece Paper version has M&S pic and Siren (yep in uniform) era photo. Andrew _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 06:15:28 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article My God, the Nazis knew how to put themselves in the limelight... Leni Riefenstahl's movies, Albert Speer's buildings, the mass parades and the flags - just amazing. Really beautiful. Bryan Ferry in 'Welt Am Sonntag' And I agree. The whole look was very beautiful, even though the ideology was utterly repellent. Anybody who can read will realise that he doesn't support their cause. J In a message dated 15/04/2007 11:03:59 GMT Standard Time, shearerandrew@hotmail.com writes: http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2449976.ece ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:50:23 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article I agree too, If you would not allow people to like certain monuments that have been made in era's ruled by wrong people...well that would be sad... For instance, we wouldn't be allowed to like a Volkswagen Beetle? After all it was designed by Hitler himself... http://www.hitler.org/artifacts/volkswagen/ If you look at images of those parades...who isn't impressed? This whole thing was used as propaganda, people were manipulated by the view of all those things. That was their goal. He didn't say he agreed with the sick ideology of the Nazi's... And making jokes about his studio calling it a F|hrerbunker...I find it funny. (In an interview withWelt am Sonntag, the 61-year-old also acknowledged that he calls his studio in west London his "F|hrerbunker) I live in Belgium, my grandma lived in wartime (her father died in war, was in a concentration camp), she can even laugh with a joke like that. We make jokes about it too, if one of our family orders us : "do this, do that and this and that"...we sometimes say jokingly: "jawohl mein f|hrer!" Does that mean we liked Hitler? Of course not!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article > My God, the Nazis knew how to put themselves in the limelight... Leni > Riefenstahl's movies, Albert Speer's buildings, the mass parades and the flags - > just amazing. Really beautiful. > Bryan Ferry in 'Welt Am Sonntag' > > And I agree. > > > The whole look was very beautiful, even though the ideology was utterly > repellent. > > Anybody who can read will realise that he doesn't support their cause. > > J > > > > > In a message dated 15/04/2007 11:03:59 GMT Standard Time, > shearerandrew@hotmail.com writes: > > http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2449976.ece > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > - -- Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter. 288 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Download de gratis SPAMfighter via deze link: http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:14:35 +0200 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article Nazi art and architecture were mainly pompous, but very impressive nonetheless. Indeed ideology and imagery shouldn't be confused. And artists are seldom political animals, I guess. Ferry is probably just "pulling a Speer". - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article > My God, the Nazis knew how to put themselves in the limelight... Leni > Riefenstahl's movies, Albert Speer's buildings, the mass parades and the > flags - > just amazing. Really beautiful. > Bryan Ferry in 'Welt Am Sonntag' > > And I agree. > > > The whole look was very beautiful, even though the ideology was utterly > repellent. > > Anybody who can read will realise that he doesn't support their cause. > > J > > > > > In a message dated 15/04/2007 11:03:59 GMT Standard Time, > shearerandrew@hotmail.com writes: > > http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2449976.ece > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:31:40 +0100 From: Stephen Thrower Subject: [AVALON] Thoughts on Dylanesque I've waited several weeks before writing down my thoughts on 'Dylanesque', because from previous experience I know how feelings change within the first few weeks of a new Ferry album. Mamouna took a fortnight before it clicked, for me, and it's now my favourite Ferry solo record. Initially I was underwhelmed by 'Dylanesque'. Not to worry, I thought, let it percolate for a while and see what happens. Well, it's over a month later, and I find I have only twice listened through it from start to finish. A mere two out of eleven tracks really leap out at me as classic Ferry adaptations, while two more 'have their charms' - several others however have slumped in my estimation to a sort of shrug and a blur. The main problem is Ferry's vocals, of which more later. Then the arrangements, or lack of. Now I'm not averse to Ferry 'rocking out' with a band. Not every track can be a 'Chain Reaction' or an 'Only Face'. I love his version of 'Shame Shame Shame' for instance. But where that has a positively brutal production sound to the rhythm guitars, and a hair-raising, ear-piercing harmonica solo (not to mention a great tight-sinewed slide solo from Spedding), most of the 'rockers' on 'Dylanesque' plod where they should stomp, and riff politely where they should snarl. But to accentuate the positive before hitting the lows - and in doing so to praise a track that has not attracted as much admiration as I feel it deserves - 'Baby Let Me Follow You Down' springs at your ears with an energy and humour that recalls nothing so much as a poppier version of a lost 'Country Life' cut. I was reminded of the bouncy but bizarre intro to 'Three and Nine', especially since Bryan's ascerbic harmonica and the lovely farfisa organ also stir up 'Country Life' memories left right and centre. And the man is on great form vocally here, strengthening his intonation to give us that alert, shark's smile seductiveness rather than the smoky/tired croon of recent years. It sounds like a song sung by a man half his age (give or take the odd croak). Sure, it's light, almost throwaway - but we all know how to read 'throwaway' in the Ferry universe, right? I find that I can put this song on and immediately play it again, and it has me bouncing around my living room like, well, like someone half MY age! I wish it was on a 45rpm single, because it would be a thrill to pick up the needle at the end and drop it back at the start of the disc! The other stand-out, which fortunately *has* attracted its share of positive regard, is 'Gates of Eden'. The reason this one asserts itself as classic Ferry is that the 'production' hemisphere of Ferry's muse has been switched on. We're entering his sphere of musical specialty, a rather spooky, spacious, sensuous musical soundworld that curls and shifts around the vocalist's eloquent phrasing. Given its length, I wish Ferry had included the verses he's chopped off the original, and just varied the musical backing a bit more to compensate for the length, but who knows, maybe he hated the lyrics in the missing verses? Just Like Tom Thumb Blues lacks definition in its verse arrangements and settles for toe-tapping tepidity when a bit of bile would work wonders. Simple Twist of Fate is tossed off like a quick crepe made in a hurry by a distracted fast-food vendor. I really can't 'read' Ferry's choice of vocal inflection and tone at all. I feel, it has to be said, that there's an emptiness inside this track, to which I just cannot relate... 'Make You Feel My Love' feels like a half-finished stab at something the Mamouna album would have made spectacularly melancholic. In a good mood this almost works for me, or else it gets skipped. There are similar songs dotted through Ferry's career and it doesn't quite make the grade for me. 'Times They Are A-Changin'' sounds like dad-rockers having a comfy little frug in some real-ale backyard nightmare. Yuk, horrible. One of the better tracks, though not a classic. 'All I Really Want to Do' has a few surprises in its guitar phrasing, almost reminiscent of Love's 'Forever Changes' album. And Ferry curls his way through the tune beautifully. I can see this sitting on Side Two of 'These Foolish Things' quite happily (although you'd need to add the stronger, colder mocking/hollow Ferry intonation of 1973 to the arrangement.) 'Knockin' on Heaven's Door' - what a let-down. So many versions of this song and Ferry turns in a polite plod with zero musical invention. Very 'Top of the Pops Vol.27 - Not By The Original Artists'. 'Positively 4th Street' - it was one of the album's few good ideas to take the heat down on this one - it's an interesting spin on the original for the mood to be so regretful. It's just a pity that Ferry's timbre and phrasing is mediocre and uneventful. Sounds like a passable guide vocal, nothing more. What happened to expression? What a drag it is, indeed. 'If Not For You' - an awful waste of time. Weak and wet, it could fit nicely onto Side 2 of Manifesto. 'All Along The Watchtower' - this could have worked musically were it not for the bland country slide embellishments and the rhythm guitar borrowing its style from U2. Having said that, no, it couldn't have worked at all. Once again the vocals let it down. "There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke" - where's the archness, the mockery? What would the Ferry of 'Casanova' (original version) have done with this line? "Let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late" - is this great line really being sung so poorly by the man who belted out 'The Thrill of it All'? "The wind begins to howl?" You could have fooled me. Why does Ferry fail to animate this line, which from Hendrix has the hairs standing up on the back of your neck, but here is phrased with all the drama of a local weather forecast. As for the rest of the arrangement, not so much 'Country Life', more Big Country live in Leicester 1987. Brrr. Didn't like this album! Steve ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:29:11 +0200 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Thoughts on Dylanesque I did like The Times They Are A-Changing though. And All Along The Watchtower too. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Thrower" To: Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:31 AM Subject: [AVALON] Thoughts on Dylanesque > I've waited several weeks before writing down my thoughts on 'Dylanesque', > because from previous experience I know how feelings change within the > first few weeks of a new Ferry album. Mamouna took a fortnight before it > clicked, for me, and it's now my favourite Ferry solo record. > > Initially I was underwhelmed by 'Dylanesque'. Not to worry, I thought, let > it percolate for a while and see what happens. Well, it's over a month > later, and I find I have only twice listened through it from start to > finish. A mere two out of eleven tracks really leap out at me as classic > Ferry adaptations, while two more 'have their charms' - several others > however have slumped in my estimation to a sort of shrug and a blur. > > The main problem is Ferry's vocals, of which more later. Then the > arrangements, or lack of. Now I'm not averse to Ferry 'rocking out' with a > band. Not every track can be a 'Chain Reaction' or an 'Only Face'. I love > his version of 'Shame Shame Shame' for instance. But where that has a > positively brutal production sound to the rhythm guitars, and a > hair-raising, ear-piercing harmonica solo (not to mention a great > tight-sinewed slide solo from Spedding), most of the 'rockers' on > 'Dylanesque' plod where they should stomp, and riff politely where they > should snarl. > > But to accentuate the positive before hitting the lows - and in doing so > to praise a track that has not attracted as much admiration as I feel it > deserves - 'Baby Let Me Follow You Down' springs at your ears with an > energy and humour that recalls nothing so much as a poppier version of a > lost 'Country Life' cut. I was reminded of the bouncy but bizarre intro to > 'Three and Nine', especially since Bryan's ascerbic harmonica and the > lovely farfisa organ also stir up 'Country Life' memories left right and > centre. And the man is on great form vocally here, strengthening his > intonation to give us that alert, shark's smile seductiveness rather than > the smoky/tired croon of recent years. It sounds like a song sung by a man > half his age (give or take the odd croak). Sure, it's light, almost > throwaway - but we all know how to read 'throwaway' in the Ferry universe, > right? I find that I can put this song on and immediately play it again, > and it has me bouncing around my living room like, well, like someone half > MY age! I wish it was on a 45rpm single, because it would be a thrill to > pick up the needle at the end and drop it back at the start of the disc! > > The other stand-out, which fortunately *has* attracted its share of > positive regard, is 'Gates of Eden'. The reason this one asserts itself as > classic Ferry is that the 'production' hemisphere of Ferry's muse has been > switched on. We're entering his sphere of musical specialty, a rather > spooky, spacious, sensuous musical soundworld that curls and shifts around > the vocalist's eloquent phrasing. Given its length, I wish Ferry had > included the verses he's chopped off the original, and just varied the > musical backing a bit more to compensate for the length, but who knows, > maybe he hated the lyrics in the missing verses? > > Just Like Tom Thumb Blues lacks definition in its verse arrangements and > settles for toe-tapping tepidity when a bit of bile would work wonders. > > Simple Twist of Fate is tossed off like a quick crepe made in a hurry by a > distracted fast-food vendor. I really can't 'read' Ferry's choice of vocal > inflection and tone at all. I feel, it has to be said, that there's an > emptiness inside this track, to which I just cannot relate... > > 'Make You Feel My Love' feels like a half-finished stab at something the > Mamouna album would have made spectacularly melancholic. In a good mood > this almost works for me, or else it gets skipped. There are similar songs > dotted through Ferry's career and it doesn't quite make the grade for me. > > 'Times They Are A-Changin'' sounds like dad-rockers having a comfy little > frug in some real-ale backyard nightmare. Yuk, horrible. > > One of the better tracks, though not a classic. 'All I Really Want to Do' > has a few surprises in its guitar phrasing, almost reminiscent of Love's > 'Forever Changes' album. And Ferry curls his way through the tune > beautifully. I can see this sitting on Side Two of 'These Foolish Things' > quite happily (although you'd need to add the stronger, colder > mocking/hollow Ferry intonation of 1973 to the arrangement.) > > 'Knockin' on Heaven's Door' - what a let-down. So many versions of this > song and Ferry turns in a polite plod with zero musical invention. Very > 'Top of the Pops Vol.27 - Not By The Original Artists'. > > 'Positively 4th Street' - it was one of the album's few good ideas to take > the heat down on this one - it's an interesting spin on the original for > the mood to be so regretful. It's just a pity that Ferry's timbre and > phrasing is mediocre and uneventful. Sounds like a passable guide vocal, > nothing more. What happened to expression? What a drag it is, indeed. > > 'If Not For You' - an awful waste of time. Weak and wet, it could fit > nicely onto Side 2 of Manifesto. > > 'All Along The Watchtower' - this could have worked musically were it not > for the bland country slide embellishments and the rhythm guitar borrowing > its style from U2. Having said that, no, it couldn't have worked at all. > Once again the vocals let it down. "There are many here among us who feel > that life is but a joke" - where's the archness, the mockery? What would > the Ferry of 'Casanova' (original version) have done with this line? "Let > us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late" - is this great line > really being sung so poorly by the man who belted out 'The Thrill of it > All'? "The wind begins to howl?" You could have fooled me. Why does Ferry > fail to animate this line, which from Hendrix has the hairs standing up on > the back of your neck, but here is phrased with all the drama of a local > weather forecast. As for the rest of the arrangement, not so much 'Country > Life', more Big Country live in Leicester 1987. > > Brrr. Didn't like this album! > > > > Steve > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:07:00 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Turner Subject: Re: [AVALON] Oh dear - Independent on Sunday It took the The Indy a little while to catch up. They've been a bit odd since they gave up trying to legalise cannabis. Ferry originally made those comments in an article in Der Spiegel on the 4th of March. I was contacted by a German News agency at the time for comment. This news has been regurgitated several times in the intervening six weeks. Here's the original article: http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/leute/0,1518,469758,00.html Regards Chris - --- Andrew Shearer wrote: > "Bryan Ferry's Nazi Gaffe" > > Almost a whole page devoted to BF's comments in German magazine extolling > the virtues of Riefenstahl, mass parades etc. I think he's been > misunderstood but it seems everyone is gunning for him - even the Anti-blood > sports campaigners are saying the Countryside Alliance should disown him. > God supportive comment from Steve Howard (manager) though. > > I don't have time to copy out but hopefully it's online. > > Andrew > > _________________________________________________________________ > Match.com - Click Here To Find Singles In Your Area Today! > http://msnuk.match.com/ > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:42:54 +0200 (CEST) From: 2HB Subject: Re: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article Ergo, look at this http://www.snyderstreasures.net/pages/hartworks.htm#late Hitler the Picasso? > Datum: 15/04/07 01:14 PM > Van: "MichC(le" > Aan: avalon@smoe.org > CC: > Onderwerp : Re: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article > > I agree too, > If you would not allow people to like certain monuments that have been made > in era's ruled by wrong people...well that would be sad... > For instance, we wouldn't be allowed to like a Volkswagen Beetle? After all > it was designed by Hitler himself... > http://www.hitler.org/artifacts/volkswagen/ > > If you look at images of those parades...who isn't impressed? > This whole thing was used as propaganda, people were manipulated by the view > of all those things. > That was their goal. > He didn't say he agreed with the sick ideology of the Nazi's... > And making jokes about his studio calling it a F|hrerbunker...I find it > funny. > (In an interview withWelt am Sonntag, the 61-year-old also acknowledged that > he calls his studio in west London his "F|hrerbunker) > > I live in Belgium, my grandma lived in wartime (her father died in war, was > in a concentration camp), she can even laugh with a joke like that. > We make jokes about it too, if one of our family orders us : "do this, do > that and this and that"...we sometimes say jokingly: "jawohl mein f|hrer!" > Does that mean we liked Hitler? Of course not!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:15 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article > > > > My God, the Nazis knew how to put themselves in the limelight... Leni > > Riefenstahl's movies, Albert Speer's buildings, the mass parades and the > flags - > > just amazing. Really beautiful. > > Bryan Ferry in 'Welt Am Sonntag' > > > > And I agree. > > > > > > The whole look was very beautiful, even though the ideology was utterly > > repellent. > > > > Anybody who can read will realise that he doesn't support their cause. > > > > J > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 15/04/2007 11:03:59 GMT Standard Time, > > shearerandrew@hotmail.com writes: > > > > http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2449976.ece > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > > > -- > Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter. > 288 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. > Download de gratis SPAMfighter via deze link: http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > - -------------------------------------
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Leni > Riefenstahl's movies, Albert Speer's buildings, the mass parades and the > flags - > just amazing. Really beautiful. > Bryan Ferry in 'Welt Am Sonntag' > > And I agree. > > > The whole look was very beautiful, even though the ideology was utterly > repellent. > > Anybody who can read will realise that he doesn't support their cause. > > J > > > > > In a message dated 15/04/2007 11:03:59 GMT Standard Time, > shearerandrew@hotmail.com writes: > > http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2449976.ece > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:36:19 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Han Snijders" To: ; Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article > Hi > > As long as het don't like the moustache there's no problem I guess, > > The cover of Flesh and Blood is a kind of Riefenstahl nazi cover. > And that in combination with the title.....brrr > > Her book about africa is very impressive btw. > > Han > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:15 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article > > >> My God, the Nazis knew how to put themselves in the limelight... Leni >> Riefenstahl's movies, Albert Speer's buildings, the mass parades and the >> flags - >> just amazing. Really beautiful. >> Bryan Ferry in 'Welt Am Sonntag' >> >> And I agree. >> >> >> The whole look was very beautiful, even though the ideology was utterly >> repellent. >> >> Anybody who can read will realise that he doesn't support their cause. >> >> J >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 15/04/2007 11:03:59 GMT Standard Time, >> shearerandrew@hotmail.com writes: >> >> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2449976.ece >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:11:29 +0200 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article I have the book too and think the pictures are phenomenal. I'm downloading (oops) a Riefenstal movie at the moment: Die Weidsse Hvlle Pitz Pall|. Haven't seen it yet. I love that era of film, especially Fritz Lang and Murnau movies! The Nibelungs, Faust, etc. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Han Snijders" To: Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Han Snijders" > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:35 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article > > >> Hi >> >> As long as het don't like the moustache there's no problem I guess, >> >> The cover of Flesh and Blood is a kind of Riefenstahl nazi cover. >> And that in combination with the title.....brrr >> >> Her book about africa is very impressive btw. >> >> Han >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article >> >> >>> My God, the Nazis knew how to put themselves in the limelight... Leni >>> Riefenstahl's movies, Albert Speer's buildings, the mass parades and the >>> flags - >>> just amazing. Really beautiful. >>> Bryan Ferry in 'Welt Am Sonntag' >>> >>> And I agree. >>> >>> >>> The whole look was very beautiful, even though the ideology was utterly >>> repellent. >>> >>> Anybody who can read will realise that he doesn't support their cause. >>> >>> J >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 15/04/2007 11:03:59 GMT Standard Time, >>> shearerandrew@hotmail.com writes: >>> >>> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article2449976.ece >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:55:40 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Independent on Sunday article (a bit of a ramble) Fraulein Riefenstal caught Der Furher's eye because she worked on a number of "volkish" Alpine mountan climbing flicks. Mr. H's ideas about art being severely retrograde, it's easy to see why snow, dirndls and Edelweiss would get him all hot'n bothered. You might check some of the official art of the Third Reich, academic lumpy peasant Venues, Blood-and-soil toiling farmers, safe landscapes and heroic nudes by Arno Breker. (http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/arts/artReich.htm) (http://www.hitler.org/art/breker/) (It's even been argued that if Hitler had been able to make it as a painter, he wouldn't have had to do his great work of performance art. I.E. his disastrous stab at world domination.) However these and Albert Speer's clasical revival thang were not formally unlike contemporaneous American WPA, Soviet realism and Italian Fascist stuff except for the ideology. (I'd imagine there were examples of what I call the Fascist International Style in the UK, but I can't name any) Herr Speer wanted to re-do Berlin and Linz (Austria, Hitler's home town) as fitting locals for the new empire, Ms Riefenstal's rather fluid Ideology aimed at making that happen, as long as her gravy train remained linked to the ascendant Adolph. (years later: "I knew nothing") Triumph Des Willnes, was the uber home movie to screen at various party clambakes, and indeed around the world to show off the new regime's popularity and might. (Fritz Lang and F. W. Murnau had long ago departed for Hollywood for political reasons and better pay.) Triumph and Olympiad are ALWAYS shown in film classes, but ALWAYS with a bit of nose-holding. Absolutely brilliant art, but mired down by the weight of all those corpses to come. Speer, brilliant too, but his forms and spaces are all in the service of a maniacal egomaniac. In summation: AY CARUMBA! Triumph of the Will provided Roxy with a great tongue in cheek (I thought) stage set for the Manifesto tour, BUT, Mr. Ferry must be on the pipe to NOT suspect that the German press MIGHT take offense to his applauding the LONG BANNED imagry of National Socialism. Add to that, in once-blitzed Britian, where much of the heat seems to be coming from, such flirtations backfired on Bowie, Siouxsie, and even more recently, a certain Prince. I think The Great God Bryan Ferry, speaking aesthetically, meant that a work of art can be held separate from ideology, (Ingres' portraits of Napoleon come to mind) but in this case fifty years are not near enough time to have that perspective. Yours in Ferry. R. 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