From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V12 #90 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, April 6 2007 Volume 12 : Number 090 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? [] [AVALON] Roma [Chandla911@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? ["Martin Stockman" ] RE: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? ["Martin Stockman" ] RE: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? [] Fwd: Re: [AVALON] Summer Set Lists. [Terence OConnor Subject: RE: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? 1. Good question. What happened in Hamburg - does anyone know? Did he really walk off and leave the band expecting to do another song? Come on lets hear more! 2. Re the setlist let's see what happens at the outdoor Summer concerts. It is no criticism of the current arrangement which by and large works in theatres to suggest that the same may not work without introducing some hits for the larger venues and a less Ferry aware audience. 3. As for standing or sitting we should be able to accommodate both, a bit of balance. The original point was that Bryan was trying to encourage the audience to get up and they wouldn't until LST. So if he does want them up earlier then the current setlist doesn't guarantee that, it depends on the audience. I raved on here about the Roxy performance at Docklands, and I think others who attended thought it amazing to. I appreciate energy and emotion, and IMHO a major reason for the atmosphere was that there was a huge standing area at the front. Bryan clearly loved it and put on a magnificent show. Castle Howard, a terrific gig with a standing area at the front. But hey its not like seatbelt laws and smoking bans, people should be able to sit and marvel at the mans brilliance from further back, or get up and give him some more immediate feedback from close to the stage. Cheers Rob - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michiel van Sleen Sent: 05 April 2007 08:08 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? What happened? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 05:00:47 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Roma Ade wrote: .... at Rome last year, after spending the gig seated I got the crowd to come up to the stage for LITD, then BF walked off & it was all over. the set list had LST & JG remaining. All the italians were banging the stage for an encore, but no. I thought at the time it was my fault we missed two songs. but Bryan DOES prefer us up at the front, doesn't he? Richard wrote: Maybe he didn't want to witness fans being beaten to a pulp by riot squad police? You were lucky you weren't killed. Best wishes Richard Mills ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:00:34 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? These are well reasoned points Rob, and apologies if my response appeared barbed. It wasn't. Every performer likes to feel appreciated and in rock music musicians gauge that appreciation by fans dancing etc. Ferry's no different. But not all the songs lend themselves to that reception. And I do think Ferry's audience these days aren't necessarily the dancing types! As for wheeling out Jealous Guy for the masses ... well I for one hope that he forgoes this commercial option. Make You Feel My Love fills that wistful ballad slot with more power and originality. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk Sent: 05 April 2007 10:01 To: 'Michiel van Sleen'; avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? 1. Good question. What happened in Hamburg - does anyone know? Did he really walk off and leave the band expecting to do another song? Come on lets hear more! 2. Re the setlist let's see what happens at the outdoor Summer concerts. It is no criticism of the current arrangement which by and large works in theatres to suggest that the same may not work without introducing some hits for the larger venues and a less Ferry aware audience. 3. As for standing or sitting we should be able to accommodate both, a bit of balance. The original point was that Bryan was trying to encourage the audience to get up and they wouldn't until LST. So if he does want them up earlier then the current setlist doesn't guarantee that, it depends on the audience. I raved on here about the Roxy performance at Docklands, and I think others who attended thought it amazing to. I appreciate energy and emotion, and IMHO a major reason for the atmosphere was that there was a huge standing area at the front. Bryan clearly loved it and put on a magnificent show. Castle Howard, a terrific gig with a standing area at the front. But hey its not like seatbelt laws and smoking bans, people should be able to sit and marvel at the mans brilliance from further back, or get up and give him some more immediate feedback from close to the stage. Cheers Rob - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michiel van Sleen Sent: 05 April 2007 08:08 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? What happened? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 06:07:30 -0400 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? >But as they have bought tickets to see BF, it's a fair bet he will haveB their attention.B B >You mean like the Russian millionnaires a while back Bryan Ferry was singing for... who were sitting at their tables, discussing their "businesses no-one can refuse", paying a lot of money, but not paying any attention to Fez.B You seem to forget that the modern Russian 'way' is to do with wealth, showing wealth and kudos. These are not the people who pay to see Bryan Ferry play, these are the people who pay to show off Bryan Ferry to their business/political/oligarth friends. They hardly fall into the category to which I believe Jonathan was referring. Ferry could play Bucks Fizz's greatest hit(s) and they wouldn't notice. And probably Macca and Elton John were too expensive even for their industrialist pockets. To illustrate further, John O'B and I witnessed this first hand at the ATGB gig at the Kremlin where the Nouveauch Mafiosvich spent the entire evening admiring eachother's fake tans/fake girlfriends/fake credentials/real fruit until we were 'requested' by an obviously perplexed Ferry to whip up some enthusiasm. The 'real' people who had probably spent nigh on a month's salary for a ticket and had been cattle-prodded into a small area a way off the 'rich' floor finally saw their chance and literally broke through their barricade. So, yes, I believe the majority of people who pay to see Bryan Ferry and are not doled out corporate freebies or work for the VIP department of Liverpool council or who have friends in high places at Waitrose, do have their attention fixed firmly on BF - whether it's in a Russian Palace or in a wet East Anglian field. Viva la revolution!.com > =2 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 06:26:14 -0400 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Split! Remember than gut-wrenching feeling that hit us in the Spring of 1976 when we picked up the NME to read of Roxy's split (for the first time)? Well spare a thought today for poor old Tracy Conell as G4 have just announced their demise - a Ferry/Enoesque squabble being sited as the cause. I don't know Tracy, with that and Elvis dropping off the bog in 1977, you're not having much luck. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:29:56 +0200 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? Of course you're right, Jocelyn. But I was merely pointing out that paying money and paying attention are two very different sides on two rather similar coins. And I myself don't want to sit at a table during a Ferry-concert, sipping champagne, and chatting. I don't mind doing those things, but not while BF is performing. That would degrade him, as if he was a servant, a slave to love and laugh at. He would have to cater to my every whim... Serving drinks while singing... Actually, what would that cost? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? > >But as they have bought tickets to see BF, it's a fair bet he will > haveB their attention.B B >You mean like the Russian millionnaires a while > back Bryan Ferry was singing for... who were sitting at their tables, > discussing their "businesses no-one can refuse", paying a lot of money, > but not paying any attention to Fez.B > You seem to forget that the modern Russian 'way' is to do with wealth, > showing wealth and kudos. These are not the people who pay to see Bryan > Ferry play, these are the people who pay to show off Bryan Ferry to their > business/political/oligarth friends. They hardly fall into the category to > which I believe Jonathan was referring. Ferry could play Bucks Fizz's > greatest hit(s) and they wouldn't notice. And probably Macca and Elton > John were too expensive even for their industrialist pockets. > To illustrate further, John O'B and I witnessed this first hand at the > ATGB gig at the Kremlin where the Nouveauch Mafiosvich spent the entire > evening admiring eachother's fake tans/fake girlfriends/fake > credentials/real fruit until we were 'requested' by an obviously perplexed > Ferry to whip up some enthusiasm. The 'real' people who had probably spent > nigh on a month's salary for a ticket and had been cattle-prodded into a > small area a way off the 'rich' floor finally saw their chance and > literally broke through their barricade. > So, yes, I believe the majority of people who pay to see Bryan Ferry and > are not doled out corporate freebies or work for the VIP department of > Liverpool council or who have friends in high places at Waitrose, do have > their attention fixed firmly on BF - whether it's in a Russian Palace or > in a wet East Anglian field. > Viva la revolution!.com > > > > =2 > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:05:21 +0100 From: "sales@carltonscreens.co.uk" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? On Thu Apr 5 11:29 , 'Michiel van Sleen' sent: "And I myself don't want to sit at a table during a Ferry-concert, sipping champagne, and chatting. I don't mind doing those things, but not while BF is performing. That would degrade him, as if he was a servant, a slave to love and laugh at. He would have to cater to my every whim... Serving drinks while singing... Actually, what would that cost?" Proof, were it needed, that we're all different after all's said and done. For myself, a dream evening would include being wined and dined at some exclusive "Casablanca"-esque restaurant whilst El Ferranti et al crooned gently on stage. Anyone else like that idea? Shall we have a "whip-round" ? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:31:28 +0100 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? Its one of Ferrys great attributes that he attracts all sorts in his audience. All styles served here. Personally I'm with Michiel, rather be mesmerized close up to the stage. If you did want a whip round Ferry isnt as expensive as you might think to hire for private parties I hear..#15-20K I think. 50 people - #400 quid each..... Cheers rob Proof, were it needed, that we're all different after all's said and done. For myself, a dream evening would include being wined and dined at some exclusive "Casablanca"-esque restaurant whilst El Ferranti et al crooned gently on stage. Anyone else like that idea? Shall we have a "whip-round" ? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:51:34 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? Count me in. of course I will insist on "Always Unknowing" - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk Sent: 05 April 2007 12:31 To: sales@carltonscreens.co.uk; avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? Its one of Ferrys great attributes that he attracts all sorts in his audience. All styles served here. Personally I'm with Michiel, rather be mesmerized close up to the stage. If you did want a whip round Ferry isnt as expensive as you might think to hire for private parties I hear..#15-20K I think. 50 people - #400 quid each..... Cheers rob Proof, were it needed, that we're all different after all's said and done. For myself, a dream evening would include being wined and dined at some exclusive "Casablanca"-esque restaurant whilst El Ferranti et al crooned gently on stage. Anyone else like that idea? Shall we have a "whip-round" ? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:14:00 -0400 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? >Ferry isnt as expensive as you might think to hire for private parties I hear..#15-20K I think. 50 people - #400 quid each..... You wish! It's 45,000 squid. Make it more intimate and call it a level grand each. H Goldsmith ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:45:50 +0100 (BST) From: Terence OConnor Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? Just checked my Piggy Bank, count me in!! Terry 'O' jocelynfiske@aol.com wrote: >Ferry isnt as expensive as you might think to hire for private parties I hear..#15-20K I think. 50 people - #400 quid each..... You wish! It's 45,000 squid. Make it more intimate and call it a level grand each. H Goldsmith ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:51:57 +0100 (BST) From: Terence OConnor Subject: [AVALON] Summer Set Lists. Can anyone remember if the set list changed much on the outdoor shows of the ATGB tour? I'm would be pretty sure some of the less known numbers (to Joe Public anyway) will get replaced with Hits?!! If this is the case it should be stuff like The Price Of Love, This Is Tomorrow, Wasteland, Partydoll, or just for a great night out the whole of the TFT album should get everyone having a great time. As a personal choice I'd like You Go To My Head to get an airing. Terry 'O' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:08:41 +0100 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? See that's four tickets gone already - 10% sold out - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Terence OConnor Sent: 05 April 2007 13:46 To: jocelynfiske@aol.com; avalon Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hamburg - what happened? Just checked my Piggy Bank, count me in!! Terry 'O' jocelynfiske@aol.com wrote: >Ferry isnt as expensive as you might think to hire for private parties I hear..#15-20K I think. 50 people - #400 quid each..... You wish! It's 45,000 squid. Make it more intimate and call it a level grand each. H Goldsmith ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:55:38 +0100 (BST) From: Terence OConnor Subject: Fwd: Re: [AVALON] Summer Set Lists. Just found this at John O'Brians Fab These Vintage Years site "The songs listed below are the songs played on this tour, usually 22-25 per show. The initial dates in USA had predominantly material from the As Time Goes By album but by the time the summer shows came in UK the show had evolved to being mostly from the Ferry/Roxy back catalouge." Perhaps the same will happen this year. Terry 'O' X-Apparently-To: stranded22@btinternet.com via 217.146.188.103; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:53:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [217.146.188.109] Authentication-Results: mta824.mail.ukl.yahoo.com from=btinternet.com; domainkeys=pass (ok) Received: from 217.146.188.109 (HELO web86208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.188.109) by mta824.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:53:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 91969 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2007 15:53:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:C ontent-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=QTzuc9svbEZc2vkMA5fzY3tiviOY0sUgN60zWJ9WmjosziyPCBSZ47Aycup/LvO4Dzyl bLiYY3p0We/mQKDmYEQNYqGKkJWJriKhyqWvKFJNKAJOPVSPaZ4GShtspqpQgVNqMHnpoF VLEQnTb+OO+P1zcFC9wLMWtqRtnAOVx1M=; X-YMail-OSG: T6TzLJYVM1mWa2viUrkSGGDjEdlFDk_hwezYKtXSBVFKvP1g Received: from [81.156.110.193] by web86208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:53:50 BST Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:53:50 +0100 (BST) From: Terence OConnor Subject: Re: [AVALON] Summer Set Lists. To: Terence OConnor In-Reply-To: <810265.89810.qm@web86209.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 430 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Just found this at John O'Brians Fab These Vintage Years site "The songs listed below are the songs played on this tour, usually 22-25 per show. The initial dates in USA had predominantly material from the As Time Goes By album but by the time the summer shows came in UK the show had evolved to being mostly from the Ferry/Roxy back catalouge." Perhaps the same will happen this year. Terry 'O' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:11:46 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Summer Set Lists. It's been my unfortunate concert going experience that the stage show could include the second coming, and the idiots would hardly notice. I saw The Great God Bryan Ferry at the Beacon Theater on the As Time Goes By tour and two evil bitches seated next to me insisted on chatting thru the show. Roxy Reunion: Madison Square garden: they had cocktails & beer behind me in the 4th row, and the show was disturbing their drinking. I recently saw, God help me, Evanescence and a clutch of... CHILDREN behind me had a Karaoke moment. Moment, hell, it was the whole show! I seem to be a magnet at shows for "fans" with the most outre behavior. (Later, I asked them: Do you sing to records at home like that, in your bedroom, to your collection of stuffed animals?) My analysis? TGGBF should sing whatever he wants! Some will listen and some will cellphone. Yours in Ferry, R. 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