From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V12 #49 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, February 24 2007 Volume 12 : Number 049 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Ferry on BBC1 [Chandla911@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll [] [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V12 #48 ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll [cassidys362@tiscali.co.uk] Re: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll ["Michiel van Sleen" ] [AVALON] no news bad news ["danyellow" ] RE: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll [] Re: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll caledoniaci@sympatico.ca turn back now! [DE] Re: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll ["Michiel van Sleen" ] [AVALON] Ferry on BBC1 at 11.15pm GMT [cassidys362@tiscali.co.uk] Re: [AVALON] Ferry on BBC1 at 11.15pm GMT [Richard Evans ] [AVALON] Ferry on the Beeb [cassidys362@tiscali.co.uk] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:25:14 EST From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Ferry on BBC1 Just to say that previous BBC Sessions from LSO St Lukes, the illustrious list includes Brooooooce Springsteen, Elton John, Paul Simon, Norah Jones and er Corinne Bailey Rae, they have each had additional footage shown on TV to digital users pressing the red button. Annoyingly, quite often the footage will include songs from the broadcast version. Paul Simon, for example, showed 5 songs but only two were exclusive to the red button broadcast. I don't get this practice at all - why not show more songs that were played and filmed instead? Who knows? The Beeb lives by its own rules - at the Elton John show, a Beeb employee was most demonstrative when punters were ushered in alongside guest list names by the bouncers. "No, no, no..." she cried. "Don't let them in. They're just the public!" Here's hoping "just the public" get some extra Bryan Ferry songs in the red light area. Oo-er! Best wishes Richard Mills ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:31:27 -0000 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll I found it interesting, being related to his lyrics. Its hardly "nonsense". - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Caledonia Controls Inc. Sent: 23 February 2007 02:24 To: J. Kaufman; Avalon Subject: Re: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll What the hell has this got to do with Bryan Ferry or Roxy Music? Let's keep to the subject and post your nonsense elsewhere! John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Kaufman" To: "Avalon" Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll > From Wikipedia: > > According to later Greek mythology, Leda bore Helen and Polydeuces, > children > of Zeus while at the same time bearing Castor and Clytemnestra, children > of > her husband Tyndareus, the King of Sparta. As the story goes, Zeus took > the > form of a swan and raped Leda on the same night she slept with her > husband, > King Tyndareus. > > Check the link for paintings by Michelangelo and Leonardo on the subject: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leda_and_the_Swan > > > > Judy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DEAGLERR@aol.com > > > RE Party Doll. > > Er... seriously now... > I always thought it had to do with Jerry Hall. the "I'll be swan" bit > being > an American southernism meaning I swear. > Not that big of a stretch to think his Prairie Rose or some of her kin > didn't > use it around BF. > > I find it odd that the listed lyrics spell it Swann as in Proust: In > Search > of Lost Time. > Nice literary touch, but would BF have punned that way? > (although, Wasn't Swann slinking around pining for Odette? > I'm sure some Avalonian will correct me even if I haven't got that wrong) > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:01:16 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V12 #48 Whatever it's about, it's basically an old fashioned country song in disguise. Imagine it as a Hank Williams style country waltz with a bit of swing, using the language of early rock n roll. Acoustic guitar, pedal steel, harmonica and fiddle. It's all hinted at in occasional guitar flourishes, the chord structure, the vocal harmonies and in the choice of words. And just listen to the intro with the harmonica. Pure country. What throws it off is its conventional "rock" sound (rocked up even more when they played it live), and the Velvets-style droney buzz guitar solo. If you can't imagine that, then just think of End Of The Line, and put that arrangement on to Party Doll. Yee haw!!! Simon > > Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:23:05 EST > From: KWil632057@aol.com > Subject: Re: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll > > It's a reference in a Bryan Ferry song, John. > > I still say Party Doll is Ferry's name for the devil's dandruff... > > J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:19:06 -0500 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll >What the hell has this got to do with Bryan Ferry or Roxy Music?B Tut, tut, tut John, your petticoats and ignorance are showing! Fancy learning something new on a "discussion" forum, heaven forbid. > Let's keep to the subject and post your nonsense elsewhere!B OK then - the subject's Bryan Ferry and you just failed to recognise a very obvious BF lyric. Back of the class for you boy! Oh and better tell Mr F to keep his 'nonsense' literary/ artistic/ architectural/cultural references to himself in future. Well that's most of FYP buggered. Jocelyn =0 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:24:57 -0500 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll >I still say Party Doll is Ferry's name for the devil's dandruff... Oh you and your Devil's dandruff - ever considered the Devil might be bald? Well I have a theory that you'd be hard pressed to be an All Night Operator without a bit of the old Party Doll. Although chronologically, the In Your Mind Tour was Spedding and Ferry at their druggiest and Spedding's drug of choice and Ferry's dabbling was heroine. But that would hardly keep you leaping - maybe infront of a bus, but not all night long. I'd much rather imagine all drug reference in the scribblings of Bryan Ferry to be about Absinthe - far more aesthetic. Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:28:51 -0000 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll Judy plays 'follow the Leda': > Check the link for paintings by Michelangelo and Leonardo on the subject: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leda_and_the_Swan Also, if memory serves, a subject covered by that early Roxy fan Salvador Dali, who used his wife Gala as the model for Leda ... and Amanda Lear as the Swan (only joking !) > Leda bore Helen and Polydeuces, children of Zeus while at the same time > bearing Castor and Clytemnestra, children of > her husband Tyndareus, the King of Sparta. An interesting paternity case must have then ensued, since Castor and Pollux (Polydeuces) are of course supposed to be twins (Gemini) ! Interestingly enough, 'Pollux and Castor' together mean 'Sweet Beaver' (the beaver's Linnean classification is 'Castor fiber') which is of course what Bryan exclaimed when he played Belvoir Castle in 2002. But hey - back to the music ... Regards, Ivor n.p. Jimmy Smith 'dot com blues' (featuring no less than BB King, John Porter, Andy Newmark and Neil Hubbard all together on 'Three O'Clock Blues') ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:23:29 +0000 From: cassidys362@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll Very rude John (you're not Deagler in disguise are you? Only jokin' R!) even if it was nonsense which it isn't. We're all friends here (well nearly :-)) I'm the one who usually posts nonsense on here Pal so feel free to direct any abuse in my direction. Be careful though - I'm from the Black Country me mon and eat knuckle-dragging Dingles for breakfast. I think you owe Judy an apology for a fabulous piece of research (he's an erotic bugga ain't he that Bryan Ferret?) Regards to all my friends (Steve?) Butch Cassidy NP - Live in Dinglehampton '94 >-- Original Message -- >From: "Caledonia Controls Inc." >To: "J. Kaufman" , "Avalon" >Subject: Re: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:23:37 -0500 > > >What the hell has this got to do with Bryan Ferry or Roxy Music? >Let's keep to the subject and post your nonsense elsewhere! > >John >----- Original Message ----- >From: "J. Kaufman" >To: "Avalon" >Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:29 PM >Subject: Re: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll > > >> From Wikipedia: >> >> According to later Greek mythology, Leda bore Helen and Polydeuces, >> children >> of Zeus while at the same time bearing Castor and Clytemnestra, children > >> of >> her husband Tyndareus, the King of Sparta. As the story goes, Zeus took > >> the >> form of a swan and raped Leda on the same night she slept with her >> husband, >> King Tyndareus. >> >> Check the link for paintings by Michelangelo and Leonardo on the subject: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leda_and_the_Swan >> >> >> >> Judy >> >> ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only 9.99 a month for your first 3 months! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:27:13 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll Ferry trying to cut down his drug abuse: Just one, look! or: Just Swan, look? Regards, Dolly Part - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll > >What the hell has this got to do with Bryan Ferry or Roxy Music?B > > Tut, tut, tut John, your petticoats and ignorance are showing! Fancy > learning something new on a "discussion" forum, heaven forbid. > >> Let's keep to the subject and post your nonsense elsewhere!B > > OK then - the subject's Bryan Ferry and you just failed to recognise a > very obvious BF lyric. Back of the class for you boy! > Oh and better tell Mr F to keep his 'nonsense' literary/ artistic/ > architectural/cultural references to himself in future. Well that's most > of FYP buggered. > > Jocelyn > > =0 > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:34:52 +0100 From: "danyellow" Subject: [AVALON] no news bad news On the italian newspaper "la repubblica" a full page for the man! Title : Bryan Ferry " My Dylan is like Picasso" written by James (Nicholas) Joyce (!!!!??) The italian governement is sinking. My only glimmer of hope is the chance that Mr. Cool may sing in Italy... Has anyone heard if there are new dates for the tour? the bogus dan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:16:42 -0000 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll Themes of love, drugs, time and suicide run through most of his good lyrics. And the criminally ignored Sign of the times is surely one of his best..... "We're cut but we don't care" "Hard lines, Crack down" "Bent on a life between the lines" I also remember reading that he was a bit worried about heroin after someone he knew died as a result(was it Graham Simpson? Cant remember). By the way how is it that guys like Ferry and Bowie can look so good despite using these drugs..........? doesn't seem to have done long term damage - on the outside anyway Although chronologically, the In Your Mind Tour was Spedding and Ferry at their druggiest and Spedding's drug of choice and Ferry's dabbling was heroine. But that would hardly keep you leaping - maybe infront of a bus, but not all night long. I'd much rather imagine all drug reference in the scribblings of Bryan Ferry to be about Absinthe - far more aesthetic. Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:41:26 EST From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll caledoniaci@sympatico.ca turn back now! > Leda bore Helen and Polydeuces, children of Zeus while at the same time > > bearing Castor and Clytemnestra, children of > > her husband Tyndareus, the King of Sparta. > > An interesting paternity case must have then ensued, since Castor and Pollux > ... > I saw some dusty Italian quatrocento (or whatever-cento) picture once, of Leda's human kids hatching out of eggs, while she hugged a learing human size swan. Odd anthropomorphism. I didn't mention Leda (or her sweet beaver) in my previous post as I thought the reference too well known. All sorts of artists (and writers) have used the myth as a source beccause it's a great excuse to show some skin (and some kink) while still apearing to be highbrow. What I AM interested in is the lyric swan or Swann? This would certainly change the meaning. As I've said before I always thought it involved a Jerry Hall southernism, but then with the medication... Speaking of paternity cases, has anyone on-list petitioned in The Anna Nicole Smith case? Rude regards, R. Deagle > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:22:07 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll Hey, what the #@(% has this got to do with Leda and the swan? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 2:16 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] BBC & Party Doll > Themes of love, drugs, time and suicide run through most of his good > lyrics. > > And the criminally ignored Sign of the times is surely one of his > best..... > > "We're cut but we don't care" > "Hard lines, Crack down" > "Bent on a life between the lines" > > I also remember reading that he was a bit worried about heroin after > someone > he knew died as a result(was it Graham Simpson? Cant remember). > > By the way how is it that guys like Ferry and Bowie can look so good > despite > using these drugs..........? doesn't seem to have done long term damage - > on > the outside anyway > > > Although chronologically, the In Your Mind Tour was Spedding and Ferry > at their druggiest and Spedding's drug of choice and Ferry's dabbling > was heroine. But that would hardly keep you leaping - maybe infront of > a bus, but not all night long. > I'd much rather imagine all drug reference in the scribblings of Bryan > Ferry to be about Absinthe - far more aesthetic. > > Jocelyn > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:14:30 +0000 From: cassidys362@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] Ferry on BBC1 at 11.15pm GMT Don't forget folks - videos and DVD's at the ready. Usual suspects on front row I suspect? Be interesting to see what has been left on the cutting room floor - no doubt the likes of This Island Earth will make way for LST/JG etc? Hopefully the in-crowd and 'Watchtower' will survive. Regards Chris ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only 9.99 a month for your first 3 months! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:13:48 +0000 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry on BBC1 at 11.15pm GMT All I have to say is ummmmm!!! Cheers Richard On 23 Feb 2007, at 22:14, cassidys362@tiscali.co.uk wrote: > Don't forget folks - videos and DVD's at the ready. Usual suspects > on front > row I suspect? > > Be interesting to see what has been left on the cutting room floor > - no doubt > the likes of This Island Earth will make way for LST/JG etc? > Hopefully > the in-crowd and 'Watchtower' will survive. > > Regards > > Chris > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tiscali Broadband only 9.99 a month for your first 3 months! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _____ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:18:26 -0000 From: "mark_stephens" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry at the LSO Ferry on fine form BBC Tonight, Great show, great band, great to hear something new, even Gates of Eden worked, Caught a couple glimpses of the usual suspects, giving no names Jane F, and Jocelyn and co. Really got me in the mood for CARLISLE, Tom Thumbs Blues and The In Crowd cames tops for me, To Feel my Love up there as well, Great, At last he has saved up for a new suit, should get some wear out of this with this tour and a Roxy Tour later. Only downside, Where was Julia Thornton? Kind Regards, Mark ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:58:49 +0000 From: cassidys362@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] Ferry on the Beeb Tired, so a few quick bullet points for the the benefit of those who were unable to watch the programme; * 12 of the 16 songs (excluding My One & Only Love) were aired but in random order 1. In-Crowd 2. 'Watchtower 3. STL 4. Make you feel my love 5. LST - yuk! 6. Just like TTB 7. Don'st STD 8. GO Eden 9. Smoke 10. I put a smelll on you 11. Hard rain's 12 JG * Unfortunately 'This Island Earth' bit the dust - philistines! * Bryan appeared to lack confidence - 'first night nerves' - tv cameras??? * Band sounded great overall so should be awesome live, particularly as the tour progresses * Mr Ferry looks like a schoolboy in comparison with Chris S and Andy Newmark (what happened to the flowing locks?) And more to the point what's happened to the GPT? - but age seems to be catching up with him fast * LST and GOE were embarassing and should be dropped from the show IMHO - - but the latter won't of course. If ever a song was not designed for TV it's GOE and I I don't like the way he sings this song * There was a very disparaging story on newsnow.co.uk recently about Bryan not being able to remember the lyrics to 'his' own songs - there was clear evidence tonight that he was tied very closely to the stand in front of him - - not sure what the solution is but unfortunately it severely restricted the prowling, menacing Ferry of old and made him look a bit 'wooden' * Oliver Thompson is a bit of a star * Understated and low key performances from most of the band but I thought Ian Dixon was another star performer * The backing singers and the Amanda Drummond looked stunning, particularly the latter and Sarah Brown * I was relieved that overall it came over well and harbours well for the tour - however 31 shows in 2 months is a concern - will his voice/he last the course? (Far, far too many shows IMHO) * Really looking forward to Symphony Hall, Birmingham now which is a fantastic and fitting venue to see Bryan Ferry night ....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only 9.99 a month for your first 3 months! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V12 #49 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest