From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V12 #39 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, February 14 2007 Volume 12 : Number 039 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] LSO - sundry sober thoughts #1 ["Martin Stockman" ] [AVALON] For the Vinyl Junkies amongst us [] RE: [AVALON] LSO - sundry sober thoughts #1 ["Bryan" ] RE: [AVALON] LSO - sundry sober thoughts #1 ["Bryan" Subject: RE: [AVALON] LSO - sundry sober thoughts #1 As BF said when an audience member cried out for Hard Rain early into the LSO gig, "Given time, given time..." - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Han Snijders Sent: 12 February 2007 22:49 To: Martin Stockman; avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] LSO - sundry sober thoughts #1 What happened to the sober thoughts # 2, did I missed that post? Han - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Stockman" To: Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:28 AM Subject: [AVALON] LSO - sundry sober thoughts #1 > St Lukes Church was a marvellous space to watch BF launch Dylanesque to > his > hardcore UK fans and assorted friends. The church itself was built in 1711 > by Nicholas Hawksmoor HYPERLINK > "http://www.venuereservations.co.uk/lsostlukes.htm"http://www.venuereservati > ons.co.uk/lsostlukes.htm , the London architect brilliantly imagined by > Peter Ackroyd. Having last seen BF in dingy Shepherds Bush, this was a > breath of fresh air. Arriving at the back of the competition winners > queue, as opposed to the friends of Ferry lads queue (lots of tall, posh > 18 > year olds smoking,) around quarter past seven, my pal and I ended up in > the > balcony, peering side-on to the stage. John OB said my perch reminded him > of the Muppets box. This appeared to amuse a lot of Avalon faces seated > cabaret style around the front of the stage. I must report that Ivor was > wearing a rugby shirt. I must also report that, scanning the audience, a > lot > of Ferrys finest fans had decided to wear sweaters / pullovers to > celebrate > the latest turn in his gilded career. > > A lady came on and asked us to applaud and cheer for the sake of the > cameras. Then a man came on and gave a fairly uncomfortable and > ill-researched introduction to the main event. The band strolled on. My > first view of guitar tyro Leo and guitar embryo Oliver. Spedding ambled on > in trademark brothel creepers. Backing singers bearing uncanny resemblance > to The Shirelles. The opening bars of The In Crowd filled the room, (a > brilliant choice for the tour) and a tall 61 year old gentleman strolled > on > to the stage . ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.37/682 - Release Date: 2/12/2007 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:29:40 -0000 From: "S.J.Batie" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry at St Lukes a forty minute edit .... http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?event=10&channelId=92&programm eId=56148110&jspLocation=/jsp/prog_details.jsp steve ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:29:43 -0000 From: Subject: [AVALON] For the Vinyl Junkies amongst us http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=391117&From=FER-COL-13022007-1145 .STT.-RXY ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:40:11 -0000 From: "Bryan" Subject: RE: [AVALON] LSO - sundry sober thoughts #1 Strangely enough I'm actually playing the album as I write! On another matter, and I'm not sure if this has been discussed before or it simply has escaped my mind, is anyone aware or has BF ever given a reason why he re-worked so many of his own tracks for "LST"? Bryan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:57:59 EST From: LeeSullivanart@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] LSO - sundry sober thoughts #1 In a message dated 13/02/2007 12:49:27 GMT Standard Time, bryansr@btopenworld.com writes: Strangely enough I'm actually playing the album as I write! On another matter, and I'm not sure if this has been discussed before or it simply has escaped my mind, is anyone aware or has BF ever given a reason why he re-worked so many of his own tracks for "LST"? Bryan I haven't heard Ferry refer to this, but the usual reason would be royalties. They originally backed non-Ferry written singles and would have been a way of maximising income from a hit single. I believe it used to be the case that 'b' sides attracted the same royalty as the 'a' sides of singles. There may, of course, have been artistic reasons :) Lee S ____________________________________________ Easily distracted? Displacement activity a problem? Me too. Going to: _www.leesullivan.co.uk_ (http://www.leesullivan.co.uk/) and _www.roxymagic.co.uk_ (http://www.roxymagic.com/) won't help either. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:19:00 -0000 From: "Bryan" Subject: RE: [AVALON] LSO - sundry sober thoughts #1 If it was the former - no surprise, and if the latter, can we substitute writer's block for artistic reasons - and so early in his career!! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:29:22 EST From: LeeSullivanart@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [AVALON] LSO - sundry sober thoughts #1 In a message dated 13/02/2007 13:21:37 GMT Standard Time, bryansr@btopenworld.com writes: If it was the former - no surprise, and if the latter, can we substitute writer's block for artistic reasons - and so early in his career!! I guess that for maybe all of the above the inclusion of other writers' material on the Roxy single 'b' sides was a welcome source of income (or maybe debt-reduction) for the other members :) Lee S ____________________________________________ Easily distracted? Displacement activity a problem? Me too. Going to: _www.leesullivan.co.uk_ (http://www.leesullivan.co.uk/) and _www.roxymagic.co.uk_ (http://www.roxymagic.com/) won't help either. Return-path: From: LeeSullivanart@aol.com Full-name: LeeSullivanart Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:27:46 EST Subject: Re: [AVALON] LSO - sundry sober thoughts #1 To: bryansr@btopenworld.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5019 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain In a message dated 13/02/2007 13:21:37 GMT Standard Time, bryansr@btopenworld.com writes: If it was the former - no surprise, and if the latter, can we substitute writer's block for artistic reasons - and so early in his career!! I guess that for maybe all of the above the inclusion of other writers' material on the Roxy singles 'b' sides was a welcome source of income (or maybe debt-reduction) for the other members :) Lee S ____________________________________________ Easily distracted? Displacement activity a problem? Me too. Going to: _www.leesullivan.co.uk_ (http://www.leesullivan.co.uk/) and _www.roxymagic.co.uk_ (http://www.roxymagic.com/) won't help either. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:21:47 -0000 From: "Cassidy, Chris J (RES)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] LSO - sundry sober thoughts #1 Royalties is no doubt in there somewhere but I vaguely recall an interview about him wanting to do some 'Ferry' versions of Roxy songs - whether this was for artistic or financial reasons who knows? Also wasn't LST originally intended only for release in Australia - I'm sure my vinyl copy is on a different label to that which Roxy/Ferry was on that time (which was Polydor if I recall?) and has a big 'special import' sticker on it :-) Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of LeeSullivanart@aol.com Sent: 13 February 2007 12:58 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] LSO - sundry sober thoughts #1 In a message dated 13/02/2007 12:49:27 GMT Standard Time, bryansr@btopenworld.com writes: Strangely enough I'm actually playing the album as I write! On another matter, and I'm not sure if this has been discussed before or it simply has escaped my mind, is anyone aware or has BF ever given a reason why he re-worked so many of his own tracks for "LST"? Bryan I haven't heard Ferry refer to this, but the usual reason would be royalties. They originally backed non-Ferry written singles and would have been a way of maximising income from a hit single. I believe it used to be the case that 'b' sides attracted the same royalty as the 'a' sides of singles. There may, of course, have been artistic reasons :) Lee S ____________________________________________ Easily distracted? Displacement activity a problem? Me too. Going to: _www.leesullivan.co.uk_ (http://www.leesullivan.co.uk/) and _www.roxymagic.co.uk_ (http://www.roxymagic.com/) won't help either. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Disclaimer This e-mail (including any attachments) is only for the person or organisation it is addressed to. If you are not the intended recipient you must let me know immediately and then delete this e-mail. 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Andrew >From: "Cassidy, Chris J (RES)" >To: "'LeeSullivanart@aol.com'" , avalon@smoe.org >Subject: RE: [AVALON] LSO - sundry sober thoughts #1 >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:21:47 -0000 > >Royalties is no doubt in there somewhere but I vaguely recall an interview >about him wanting to do some 'Ferry' versions of Roxy songs - whether this >was for artistic or financial reasons who knows? Also wasn't LST >originally >intended only for release in Australia - I'm sure my vinyl copy is on a >different label to that which Roxy/Ferry was on that time (which was >Polydor >if I recall?) and has a big 'special import' sticker on it :-) > > >Chris > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of >LeeSullivanart@aol.com >Sent: 13 February 2007 12:58 >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] LSO - sundry sober thoughts #1 > >In a message dated 13/02/2007 12:49:27 GMT Standard Time, >bryansr@btopenworld.com writes: > >Strangely enough I'm actually playing the album as I write! > >On another matter, and I'm not sure if this has been discussed before or >it >simply has escaped my mind, is anyone aware or has BF ever given a reason >why he re-worked so many of his own tracks for "LST"? > >Bryan > > >I haven't heard Ferry refer to this, but the usual reason would be >royalties. They originally backed non-Ferry written singles and would have >been a way >of maximising income from a hit single. I believe it used to be the case >that >'b' sides attracted the same royalty as the 'a' sides of singles. > >There may, of course, have been artistic reasons :) > >Lee S >____________________________________________ >Easily distracted? Displacement activity a problem? >Me too. Going to: > >_www.leesullivan.co.uk_ (http://www.leesullivan.co.uk/) > >and > >_www.roxymagic.co.uk_ (http://www.roxymagic.com/) > >won't help either. > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > >Disclaimer > >This e-mail (including any attachments) is only for the person or >organisation it is addressed to. If you are not the intended recipient you >must let me know immediately and then delete this e-mail. 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No Guy - you misunderstand: There was a german band called Alphaville. They released two albums in the early 80s. The first one was called "Forever Young" (no - not the Rod The Mod tune) and contained the hits "Big In Japan" and "Sounds Like A Melody". The second LP was "Afternoons in Utopia" if memory serves corrrectly. Unfortunately, I don't own that one and its never shown up in my local used record store on any format. Must have sunk without a trace, or a hit. And Guy - I suggest changing your occupation to "lawyer" after your post! Cheers! H np: Alphaville (at full volume!) On 13-Feb-07, at 4:43 AM, Guy Lawley wrote: > Dear Helen, > > Interesting post. > > After reading your post, if I owned a CD calling itself "Alphaville" > (and > I'm not saying that I do), possibly acquired by a cash-free trade via > the > Avalon list (and I'm not actually saying that any such trade ever took > place) then I might have checked that CD and found that it didn't have > a > track called "Lies" on it. (On the other hand I'm not saying I did so > as I'm > not saying I own any such CD.) > > Is it possible that some other people (not necessarily you) have a > variant > form of the CD which has a track I haven't heard? I am intrigued. (Or I > would be, if any such hypothetical situation ever occurred). > > If I did own a CD called Alphaville I might like it very much indeed. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:07:39 +0000 From: Richard Evans Subject: [AVALON] Bry, Bob and Hard Rain I'd never seen this before - I wonder what Bob made of it all http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azCOL5IQM0M Cheers Richard ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:03:19 -0000 From: "Bryan" Subject: RE: [AVALON] LSO - sundry sober thoughts #1 Thanks for the replies - I was interested to find out if there was any specific reason as I've spent the past few days having a BFest. Have thoroughly enjoyed listening to his older stuff, in particular IYM and TBSB. For whatever reason, at the time, it seemed as if it had been an age since his previous release and this was eagerly anticipated. My initial thoughts were that this was his most "Americanised" album to date and it still remains in my top 3 BF albums. Bryan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:43:44 -0000 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Total Dweeb, or just an Anorak? Well, darn and drat. I was hoping to hear a formerly hidden gem from BF. Thanks for setting me straight, Helen. Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Helen Thorpe Sent: 13 February 2007 16:27 To: Avalon Mailing List Subject: [AVALON] Total Dweeb, or just an Anorak? No Guy - you misunderstand: There was a german band called Alphaville. They released two albums in the early 80s. The first one was called "Forever Young" (no - not the Rod The Mod tune) and contained the hits "Big In Japan" and "Sounds Like A Melody". The second LP was "Afternoons in Utopia" if memory serves corrrectly. Unfortunately, I don't own that one and its never shown up in my local used record store on any format. Must have sunk without a trace, or a hit. And Guy - I suggest changing your occupation to "lawyer" after your post! Cheers! H np: Alphaville (at full volume!) On 13-Feb-07, at 4:43 AM, Guy Lawley wrote: > Dear Helen, > > Interesting post. > > After reading your post, if I owned a CD calling itself "Alphaville" > (and > I'm not saying that I do), possibly acquired by a cash-free trade via > the > Avalon list (and I'm not actually saying that any such trade ever took > place) then I might have checked that CD and found that it didn't have > a > track called "Lies" on it. (On the other hand I'm not saying I did so > as I'm > not saying I own any such CD.) > > Is it possible that some other people (not necessarily you) have a > variant > form of the CD which has a track I haven't heard? I am intrigued. (Or I > would be, if any such hypothetical situation ever occurred). > > If I did own a CD called Alphaville I might like it very much indeed. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:48:33 +0000 From: philip77@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] Lets Stick Together - re-models Original Message -->I always thought that he was unhappy with Pete Sinfield's production of "Roxy Music" - it always sounded flat to me, especially compared to FYP and what followed. >Philip > > >___________________________________________________________ > >Tiscali Broadband only 9.99 a month for your first 3 months! >http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only 9.99 a month for your first 3 months! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V12 #39 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest