From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V12 #29 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, February 3 2007 Volume 12 : Number 029 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Finger finger poppin! ["SIMON GALLOWAY" ] RE: [AVALON] Finger finger poppin! ["Bryan" ] RE: [AVALON] Finger finger poppin! ["Andrew Shearer" ] [AVALON] Eno supported which candidate last uk election [Larry Buchalter ] RE: [AVALON] Finger finger poppin! ["Guy Lawley" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:46:00 -0600 (CST) From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" Subject: [AVALON] Finger finger poppin! Thanks for that Han, one of the few of the 'Originals' I'd never fully heard before, and funny that you should choose this song, as I've spent the last few days looking for a CD with this track on it! I've been grooving a lot to vintage blues and r'n'b lately, so this one fits my mood perfectly! ATAP is Ferry's fisrt attempt at a 'Stax' album - the fusion of r'n'b, soul and jazz, with just that hint of country (in the guitars) and the blueprint for his own songs on In Your Mind. Roxy never really displayed any overt blues influence, which is what I think marked them out as different at the time, and why much of the music still sounds so vital today. Ferry, on the other hand, made it a big feature of his early solo career, and with ATAP especially. It's obvious that this album influenced Roxy's first blues number (and one of their worst songs) If It Takes All Night. It just didn't suit them. The mid 60s Mod era was evidently a big influence on Ferry - sharp suits and incredible music (and whatever else went with it). No doubt he would have discovered the originals of Let's Stick Together at this time (the original on Island's Sue Records off-shoot), Jimmy Reed's Shame, Shame, Shame, Dobie Gray's The In Crowd (although much better in the hands of Ramsey Lewis), and of course the Stax Revue tour, where he witnessed Booker T & The MGs with Sam & Dave and Otis. What a show that must have been! (His suits for the Manifesto tour were inspired by the kind of suits Otis Redding used to wear). ATAP was 5 years ahead of the UK Mod revival, and whereas the nostalgia of These Foolish Things sat perfectly with the times and created it's on air of nostalgia, ATAP never did. And by the time the mod revival came around, this album already sounded dated. Like you say, Ferry's version is quite faithful, as were many of his covers at the time (instead of avoiding the the tune as on Taxi). This song and ATAP in general are probably the closest we'll ever get to hearing what The Gas Board must have sounded like. SimonG - ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 22:07:00 +0100 > From: "Han Snijders" > Subject: [AVALON] Ferry uncovered > > Hi all > > Just an idea to discuse ferry's covers he made over the years. Is it true > that he so often really remake remodeled the songs or does he stay closer to > the original then we know or want? > To make it a bit more interesting i'll upload a song each week. > The first one today, not so much loved i think but i like it's a fine > example of his r and b side: > Fingerpoppin by Ike and Tina Turner. released in 1964. > Done by ferry in 74 > i would like to see him do this live > As you will hear he stay close to the original but skipped a part of the > lyrics. > > you can listen to it here. > > http://www.4shared.com/file/9883805/e9fb981/208_ATAP_Fingerpoppin_Ike_and_Tina_Turner.html > > hope you like the idea, reminds me of " the song of the week " series we had > in the past. > > Cheers > Han ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:52:59 -0000 From: "Bryan" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Finger finger poppin! I quite agree with your assessment that there didn't seem to be any blues influence on Roxy as a whole - although we're all aware of what it did for Ferry! This is what makes me wonder why I ever got into Roxy in the first place. I was more into pop, Tamla, Ska etc in the early 70's, as far as I was concerned there was nothing finer than Jnr Walker with his Roadrunner, The Four Tops and Bernadette etc etc. I can only assume that first appearance on TOTP (a pop classic) had much more of an effect than I could ever have realised and for the next 4 years RM & BF could do no wrong as far as I was concerned. As for his solo (cover) efforts at the time, with hindsight' there are one or two "turkeys" but most of his originals did leave you wanting more. Bryan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:26:41 +0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Finger finger poppin! The ironic thing is that Ferry said in the recent UNCUT interview that he saw Roxy as an R&B outfit. Apologies if I'm wrong , that's from memory.... Andrew >From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" >Reply-To: simong@davidbowie.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Finger finger poppin! >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:46:00 -0600 (CST) > >Thanks for that Han, one of the few of the 'Originals' I'd never fully >heard before, and funny that you should choose this song, as I've spent >the last few days looking for a CD with this track on it! > >I've been grooving a lot to vintage blues and r'n'b lately, so this one >fits my mood perfectly! > >ATAP is Ferry's fisrt attempt at a 'Stax' album - the fusion of r'n'b, >soul and jazz, with just that hint of country (in the guitars) and the >blueprint for his own songs on In Your Mind. > >Roxy never really displayed any overt blues influence, which is what I >think marked them out as different at the time, and why much of the music >still sounds so vital today. > >Ferry, on the other hand, made it a big feature of his early solo career, >and with ATAP especially. It's obvious that this album influenced Roxy's >first blues number (and one of their worst songs) If It Takes All Night. >It just didn't suit them. > >The mid 60s Mod era was evidently a big influence on Ferry - sharp suits >and incredible music (and whatever else went with it). No doubt he would >have discovered the originals of Let's Stick Together at this time (the >original on Island's Sue Records off-shoot), Jimmy Reed's Shame, Shame, >Shame, Dobie Gray's The In Crowd (although much better in the hands of >Ramsey Lewis), and of course the Stax Revue tour, where he witnessed >Booker T & The MGs with Sam & Dave and Otis. What a show that must have >been! (His suits for the Manifesto tour were inspired by the kind of suits >Otis Redding used to wear). > >ATAP was 5 years ahead of the UK Mod revival, and whereas the nostalgia of >These Foolish Things sat perfectly with the times and created it's on air >of nostalgia, ATAP never did. And by the time the mod revival came around, >this album already sounded dated. > >Like you say, Ferry's version is quite faithful, as were many of his >covers at the time (instead of avoiding the the tune as on Taxi). This >song and ATAP in general are probably the closest we'll ever get to >hearing what The Gas Board must have sounded like. > >SimonG > > >----- Original Message ----- > > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 22:07:00 +0100 > > From: "Han Snijders" > > Subject: [AVALON] Ferry uncovered > > > > Hi all > > > > Just an idea to discuse ferry's covers he made over the years. Is it >true > > that he so often really remake remodeled the songs or does he stay >closer to > > the original then we know or want? > > To make it a bit more interesting i'll upload a song each week. > > The first one today, not so much loved i think but i like it's a fine > > example of his r and b side: > > Fingerpoppin by Ike and Tina Turner. released in 1964. > > Done by ferry in 74 > > i would like to see him do this live > > As you will hear he stay close to the original but skipped a part of the > > lyrics. > > > > you can listen to it here. > > > > >http://www.4shared.com/file/9883805/e9fb981/208_ATAP_Fingerpoppin_Ike_and_Tina_Turner.html > > > > hope you like the idea, reminds me of " the song of the week " series we >had > > in the past. > > > > Cheers > > Han > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving  check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:40:24 -0000 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Finger finger poppin! Strange what the maestro pipes up with in interviews. They may be able to do R&B songs, but they are hardly "just" an R&B outfit. Cheers Rob - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Shearer Sent: 02 February 2007 14:27 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Finger finger poppin! The ironic thing is that Ferry said in the recent UNCUT interview that he saw Roxy as an R&B outfit. Apologies if I'm wrong , that's from memory.... Andrew ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 21:25:04 -0800 From: Larry Buchalter Subject: [AVALON] Eno supported which candidate last uk election Eno supported a candidate with the first name of Roy last uk election . What is his last name please? Larry:) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 08:02:29 -0000 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Finger finger poppin! Excellent post, Simon. Thanks for that. I will listen to ATAP with Fresh ears next time, as it were. I think it was Lou Reed who said, of the Velvet Underground, "If anyone played a blues riff, they were fired on the spot". Or words to that effect. Of course it might have been John Cale. Maybe Roxy, consciously or not, were following that path? We know they were admirers, possibly to a man, of the VU. Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of SIMON GALLOWAY Sent: 02 February 2007 11:46 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Finger finger poppin! Thanks for that Han, one of the few of the 'Originals' I'd never fully heard before, and funny that you should choose this song, as I've spent the last few days looking for a CD with this track on it! I've been grooving a lot to vintage blues and r'n'b lately, so this one fits my mood perfectly! ATAP is Ferry's fisrt attempt at a 'Stax' album - the fusion of r'n'b, soul and jazz, with just that hint of country (in the guitars) and the blueprint for his own songs on In Your Mind. Roxy never really displayed any overt blues influence, which is what I think marked them out as different at the time, and why much of the music still sounds so vital today. Ferry, on the other hand, made it a big feature of his early solo career, and with ATAP especially. It's obvious that this album influenced Roxy's first blues number (and one of their worst songs) If It Takes All Night. It just didn't suit them. The mid 60s Mod era was evidently a big influence on Ferry - sharp suits and incredible music (and whatever else went with it). No doubt he would have discovered the originals of Let's Stick Together at this time (the original on Island's Sue Records off-shoot), Jimmy Reed's Shame, Shame, Shame, Dobie Gray's The In Crowd (although much better in the hands of Ramsey Lewis), and of course the Stax Revue tour, where he witnessed Booker T & The MGs with Sam & Dave and Otis. What a show that must have been! (His suits for the Manifesto tour were inspired by the kind of suits Otis Redding used to wear). ATAP was 5 years ahead of the UK Mod revival, and whereas the nostalgia of These Foolish Things sat perfectly with the times and created it's on air of nostalgia, ATAP never did. And by the time the mod revival came around, this album already sounded dated. Like you say, Ferry's version is quite faithful, as were many of his covers at the time (instead of avoiding the the tune as on Taxi). This song and ATAP in general are probably the closest we'll ever get to hearing what The Gas Board must have sounded like. SimonG - ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 22:07:00 +0100 > From: "Han Snijders" > Subject: [AVALON] Ferry uncovered > > Hi all > > Just an idea to discuse ferry's covers he made over the years. Is it true > that he so often really remake remodeled the songs or does he stay closer to > the original then we know or want? > To make it a bit more interesting i'll upload a song each week. > The first one today, not so much loved i think but i like it's a fine > example of his r and b side: > Fingerpoppin by Ike and Tina Turner. released in 1964. > Done by ferry in 74 > i would like to see him do this live > As you will hear he stay close to the original but skipped a part of the > lyrics. > > you can listen to it here. > > http://www.4shared.com/file/9883805/e9fb981/208_ATAP_Fingerpoppin_Ike_and_Ti na_Turner.html > > hope you like the idea, reminds me of " the song of the week " series we had > in the past. > > Cheers > Han ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V12 #29 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest