From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V12 #27 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, February 1 2007 Volume 12 : Number 027 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Mamouna ["Michiel van Sleen" ] RE: [AVALON] Mamouna [] RE: [AVALON] Dylanesue actually very good ["Martin Stockman" ] RE: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V12 #25 [] Re: [AVALON] Dylanesue actually very good [kwil632057@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Dylanesue actually very good [] [AVALON] Ferry covers recent songs? [kwil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Dylanesue actually very good [jocelynfiske@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry covers recent songs? [jocelynfiske@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry covers recent songs? [kwil632057@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Dylanesue actually very good [] [AVALON] All roads lead to Beefheart? [jocelynfiske@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] All roads lead to Beefheart? [kwil632057@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Dr Brian Ferry [] RE: [AVALON] Love/War ["Guy Lawley" ] [AVALON] Love/War ["Guy Lawley" ] [AVALON] Re: covers [MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.)] [AVALON] I've been put on a blacklist by my server as a possible spammer! ["Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mamouna The main sail is a bit like a canvas and can be turned around. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mamouna > As has been stated before: > > The word Mamouna is Moroccan for 'good luck' and is also a Moroccan > girl's > name. > > If ever a project needed good luck it was this one (although I quite like > it). > > J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:30:27 -0000 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Mamouna Didn't notice that - does it include Pro Plus to keep you awake during the latter half of Which Way to Turn? Strange album this one, some great tracks, some time wasting. Your Painted Smile is such a great example of his less is more approach, whilst I cant hear Gemini Moon without the superb Chain Reaction following. But Wildcat Days............ Are all those who've heard this new album still underwhelmed? - -----Original Message----- From: Michiel van Sleen [mailto:mvsleen@hotmail.com] Sent: 31 January 2007 07:27 To: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk; avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mamouna There's even a "Mamouna equipment list" included. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:11 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Mamouna > http://www.kp44.org/forsale/mamouna/mamouna.php > > Anyone fancy a boat named "whore" in Arabic? > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:46:27 -0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dylanesue actually very good Not me.I like it a lot. So does everyone I've played it to. The wife adores it. Sounds great in the car. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk Sent: 31 January 2007 10:30 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Mamouna Didn't notice that - does it include Pro Plus to keep you awake during the latter half of Which Way to Turn? Strange album this one, some great tracks, some time wasting. Your Painted Smile is such a great example of his less is more approach, whilst I cant hear Gemini Moon without the superb Chain Reaction following. But Wildcat Days............ Are all those who've heard this new album still underwhelmed? - -----Original Message----- From: Michiel van Sleen [mailto:mvsleen@hotmail.com] Sent: 31 January 2007 07:27 To: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk; avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mamouna There's even a "Mamouna equipment list" included. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:11 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Mamouna > http://www.kp44.org/forsale/mamouna/mamouna.php > > Anyone fancy a boat named "whore" in Arabic? > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: 1/29/2007 - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: 1/29/2007 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:51:17 -0000 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Mamouna - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of He didn't know which way to turn - backwards or towards the wall Michiel van Sleen Sent: 31 January 2007 09:10 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mamouna The main sail is a bit like a canvas and can be turned around. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:51:17 -0000 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V12 #25 Yes 100% - Cohens done some great tracks Dance me to the End of love - Bryan Ferry - bring it on - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Helen Thorpe Sent: 31 January 2007 01:12 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V12 #25 > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:13:44 EST > From: KWil632057@aol.com > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mamouna Cover > > Counting white horses instead of sheep at bed time? > > Whatever gets me through the night! Just a thought - but what if Ferry covered Leonard Cohen? I'd love to hear this take on "Suzanne" or "Bird on a Wire". To me, Ferry growing older would be Ferry turning into the sort of world-weary, love-battered crooner that Cohen is. Beats the heck outta Dylan. Oh - Ferry does "Tower of Song" - I'm having an "ear-gasm" at the thought. Anybody else with me on this? H ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 05:58:00 -0500 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dylanesue actually very good I quite like it too. I think it starts strong and peters out a little towards the end but it''ll work wonderfully live, you'll see. J -----Original Message----- From: martinstockman@btinternet.com To: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk; avalon@smoe.org Sent: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10.46AM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dylanesue actually very good Not me.I like it a lot. So does everyone I've played it to. The wife adores it. Sounds great in the car. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk Sent: 31 January 2007 10:30 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Mamouna Didn't notice that - does it include Pro Plus to keep you awake during the latter half of Which Way to Turn? Strange album this one, some great tracks, some time wasting. Your Painted Smile is such a great example of his less is more approach, whilst I cant hear Gemini Moon without the superb Chain Reaction following. But Wildcat Days............ Are all those who've heard this new album still underwhelmed? - -----Original Message----- From: Michiel van Sleen [mailto:mvsleen@hotmail.com] Sent: 31 January 2007 07:27 To: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk; avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mamouna There's even a "Mamouna equipment list" included. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:11 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Mamouna > http://www.kp44.org/forsale/mamouna/mamouna.php > > Anyone fancy a boat named "whore" in Arabic? > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: 1/29/2007 - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: 1/29/2007 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:01:28 -0000 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dylanesue actually very good Good ! I like the clips Ive heard so far - -----Original Message----- From: Martin Stockman [mailto:martinstockman@btinternet.com] Sent: 31 January 2007 10:46 To: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk; avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dylanesue actually very good Not me.I like it a lot. So does everyone I've played it to. The wife adores it. Sounds great in the car. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:03:55 -0500 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Ferry covers recent songs? I'd love him to cover some more recent songs: Suede The Wild Ones would be great and there are one or two Radiohead songs he could do justice to... Any other recent tunes you'd like to hear? J - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Helen Thorpe Sent: 31 January 2007 01:12 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V12 #25 > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:13:44 EST > From: KWil632057@aol.com > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mamouna Cover > > Counting white horses instead of sheep at bed time? > > Whatever gets me through the night! Just a thought - but what if Ferry covered Leonard Cohen? I'd love to hear this take on "Suzanne" or "Bird on a Wire". To me, Ferry growing older would be Ferry turning into the sort of world-weary, love-battered crooner that Cohen is. Beats the heck outta Dylan. Oh - Ferry does "Tower of Song" - I'm having an "ear-gasm" at the thought. Anybody else with me on this? H ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:15:25 -0500 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dylanesue actually very good It was practically recorded live so it stands to reason that it will work well live. I think that's where I will enjoy the material most. Apart from 'Make you feel my love' which may end up as a classic. Doubt if I'll be playing Dylanesque much after I buy it, not when there's so many 'critical second albums' about to be released and a plethora of live gigs to attend (which usually has me buying back catalogues). - -----Original Message----- From: kwil632057@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10.58AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dylanesue actually very good I quite like it too. I think it starts strong and peters out a little towards the end but it''ll work wonderfully live, you'll see. J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:18:01 -0500 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry covers recent songs? Any other recent tunes you'd like to hear? J Yea, anything he's written for the new Roxy album! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:50:38 -0500 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry covers recent songs? There's about three good ones. Should be a good EP... J -----Original Message----- From: jocelynfiske@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11.18AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry covers recent songs? Any other recent tunes you'd like to hear? J Yea, anything he's written for the new Roxy album! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:57:45 -0000 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dylanesue actually very good I don't have such varied tastes and generally just play new Ferry albums back to back for months after they come out. I don't think I had ATGB off the CD player for ages, I didn't tire of it. So cant wait for this to come out, but worried based on some reviews apart from Martins that others have tired of it quickly, with Reecey ambivalent and you saying you probably wont play it much. But its adding to the tension meanwhile! I like the snippets of the times they r a changing and make you feel my love that Ive heard though - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of jocelynfiske@aol.com Sent: 31 January 2007 11:15 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dylanesue actually very good Doubt if I'll be playing Dylanesque much after I buy it, not when there's so many 'critical second albums' about to be released and a plethora of live gigs to attend (which usually has me buying back catalogues). ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:32:34 -0500 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] All roads lead to Beefheart? I think I've just discovered the origins of the Virginia Plain backing track. Listen to I've Got Love On My Mind by Captain Beefheart from Unconditionally Guaranteed. BUT - it was recorded in '74, so Beefheart must have been listening to Roxy. But Uncle Bry's deffo been listening to Beefheart who covered J J Cale's Same Old Blues 4 years before TBSB. AND Magazine have been there too, Beefheart recorded I Love You Big Dummy on Lick My Decals off Baby in 1970. Ooh, I just got a small taster of what it must feel like to be Ivor then! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:46:46 -0500 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] All roads lead to Beefheart? And don't forget that Isaac Hayes track which IS If There Is Something! Yours, Trevor Nelson -----Original Message----- From: jocelynfiske@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12.32PM Subject: [AVALON] All roads lead to Beefheart? I think I've just discovered the origins of the Virginia Plain backing track. Listen to I've Got Love On My Mind by Captain Beefheart from Unconditionally Guaranteed. BUT - it was recorded in '74, so Beefheart must have been listening to Roxy. But Uncle Bry's deffo been listening to Beefheart who covered J J Cale's Same Old Blues 4 years before TBSB. AND Magazine have been there too, Beefheart recorded I Love You Big Dummy on Lick My Decals off Baby in 1970. Ooh, I just got a small taster of what it must feel like to be Ivor then! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:10:40 -0000 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dr Brian Ferry http://media.uow.edu.au/opinions/op8.html Ive never actually come across anyone else called Bry(i)an Ferry, even with the wrong spelling. rob ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:37:16 -0000 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Love/War The 21st century Roxy could do a very funked up Amazona! Bring it on! Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of kwil632057@aol.com Sent: 30 January 2007 17:25 To: kbporter@verizon.net; Avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Love/War How great would it be if they started with Amazona as an instrumental, the vocoder part kicked in and the curtains opened as Ferry started the song proper? J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:37:46 -0000 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: [AVALON] Love/War Anyone care to fly the flag for "Your Application's Failed?" The sound engineers would love miking TGPT up throughout the gig to capture one line of vocal! :O) Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michiel van Sleen Sent: 30 January 2007 16:34 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Love/War Thanks for your words of wisdom, Stephen. Yes, Hula Kula on the next tour, surely that's not too much to ask? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Thrower" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Love/War > I've been reading but not joining in with the recent arguments, and I > thought I'd add this: > > Everyone has a right to express their views about Ferry/Roxy here, > positive and negative. That 'right' is not in question, I'm sure. However, > in the absence of new material from the maestro, and with the inexorable > passage of time, it seems to me that both positive and negative feelings > can become calcified into postures which then needlessly irritate their > opposites. The friction comes when: > > Those who dislike something intensely let their disappointment/criticism > eclipse their overall liking for the subject in general. > > and > > Those with a generally positive attitude become too sensitive to the > repeated expression of dislike/disappointment by others, to the point > where they say, in effect, 'shut up if you don't like it'. > > When this difference simmers over into rancour there is culpability on > both sides. > > As fans, it seems we can easily lose perspective on our favorites, > demanding perfection and getting into moods if there's something we don't > like. But artists, if they are serious, have to please themselves first - > we can either join the party or decline the invitation, but the artist > doesn't owe us anything. If a record is not to our tastes, we merely sit > this dance out. > > I'm as eager to hear new material as anyone, but the mere fact that Ferry > and Roxy are still making new music, come when it may, is miracle enough > for me. This is a band who split up with the perfect finale of an album in > 1982 - who could ever have thought there'd be more? Ferry himself has > changed music forever with Roxy, worked wonders with some of his solo > records, tanked with others, but still strives seemingly every day of his > life to deliver something more. His apparent inactivity is not idleness, > there's much angst and agonising and brooding and hard work going on > behind the scenes. There is no right or wrong pace of work for artists - > force the pace and you distort the work. > > As for becoming too sensitive to the negative criticism of others - the > best counterweight to negative criticism is positive criticism, > admiration, celebration. Let naysayers see you having a ball, perhaps > it'll remind them why they come here! It insults people to insist that > they keep their negative criticisms out of the picture though. All that > matters really is trying to maintain a broader perspective too. > > It's worth bearing in mind that this happens in all fan forums. I'm sure > we've all seen it. As a regular visitor to the Doctor Who online forums, I > find the kind of spats we've been seeing here very familiar! When such > 'heated debates' (as Mrs. Merton used to call them) get going, you have to > ask yourself this... would I get so angry and borderline abusive if I were > having this conversation over a coffee with someone in person? Generally > speaking, the answer is no. You then have to ask yourself what it is about > sitting here at our computers, making imaginary war with each other over > trivialities, that draws out our aggression and intolerance? The absence > of any standard of social etiquette? Ferry fans in particular would surely > be ashamed to think so! > > Don't misunderstand me, I'm not judging anyone, I'm recalling situations > where I've done exactly the same. I just think it's a pity when bickering > turns to rancour, with people threatening to leave the group or refusing > to speak to one another. > > Can't we just start a campaign to get Roxy to do Hula Kula on their next > tour? > > > Steve. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:06:06 -0600 From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: covers I second that for Ferry covering "Bird On A Wire". Aaron Neville sounds like a bird himself when singing this. Gives me goose bumps. In fact lots of his songs bring me to tears with the way he can wrap his tongue around words. Always, Marlana ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:22:26 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: [AVALON] I've been put on a blacklist by my server as a possible spammer! OK, who did this??! I've never spammed in my entire life. All this means I can't send any mail with my usual email-address until April 30. Michiel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 02:15:33 EST From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Message from Leo Abrahams "On February 2nd I will be playing at the Tate Britain, in the Manton Room, as part of an Arctic Circle event. Entry is free and I'm on at 7.45. February through March I'll be on tour in a town near you playing with Jarvis Cocker and Bryan Ferry (though not at the same time...), so come on down if you fancy it. I have 2 new tracks on a compilation called BLUEPRINTS, available on the excellent 12K imprint: _http://www.12k.com/index2.html_ (http://www.12k.com/index2.html) A new EP, SEARCHING 1906, will finally be released on Just Music sometime in the next 2 months, as will remixes of tracks from_ SCENE MEMORY_ (http://www.cargorecords.co.uk/release_zoom.php?item=3156) from Jon Hopkins, David Holmes, J Peter Schwalm and Roedelius. Lastly, I am finalising the deal for an album I've just finished which features guest vocals from Brian Eno, Ed Harcourt, KT Tunstall, Foy Vance, Merz and more. It should be out in the Summer." Best wishes Richard Mills ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V12 #27 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest