From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V12 #25 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, January 30 2007 Volume 12 : Number 025 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans ["Michiel van Sleen" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry voice ["Christian H. Soetemann" ] RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans [] Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans ["Michiel van Sleen" ] [AVALON] Mamouna - vinyl [philip77@tiscali.co.uk] Re: [AVALON] Mamouna - vinyl ["Michiel van Sleen" ] RE: [AVALON] Mamouna - vinyl [] [AVALON] Mamouna Cover [Helen Thorpe ] Re: [AVALON] Mamouna Cover [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans [KWil632057@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:06:46 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans Never mind the new album. Isn't all this much more exciting? Michiel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:15:07 +0100 From: "Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry voice Yes, there's certainly less Sprechgesang. But I really like the world-weariness his voice exudes nowadays. BTW, I didn't mean to say (Michiel mentioned it) BF chose Dylan songs because he could easily sing them... instead I intended to express that Dylan's melodies wouldn't be any problem for Ferry, since it's no multi-octave stuff. Personally I am very glad that Ferry's *voice* never drifted into show-off territory, but represents a very individualist and distinctive instrument. Nobody else sounds like him, and quite a few have tried. Yes, the style has changed a bit, but it's still the same unique vibrato and phrasing as it was before. In fact, if one were not to like his voice... why on earth should this person listen to a Bryan Ferry record? Because of the horses maybe? CHS > From: kwil632057@aol.com > Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:16:38 -0500 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry voice > > It's funny but these days he seems to be trying to be more of a classical > singer. The old style seemed to be more performance. I sort of miss that > early, distinctive style but maybe if he tried to do it, he'd do himself a > mischief! > > J > > -----Original Message----- > From: c-soetemann@versanet.de > To: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 4.10PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry voice > > Bob Dylan's voice sounds quite different nowadays compared to the 60s. Lou > Reed's voice has still a similar tone colour and singing style, but the > range seems more limited compared to the VU days. But those voices have > sounded a bit different to the way they did originally for quite some time > now (early ageing??). > > I think in a recent interview Ferry mentions his voice having become lower > than before. As I remarked a while ago, the middle to lower range seems to > do very well, but I guess he eschews higher to highest notes now. On the > Roxy tour in 2001, he virtually let the others sing the entire "Dance Away" > refrain. Now compare that with the version on HSB. Whereas if he performed > tracks like "Sunset", it would be recognizably the same singer, but 30+ > years later. > > The phrasing and timbre have remained, though. One second's listen and you > know it's The Bry. Some tracks, I'd say, even benefit from a voice that > sounds older. One article around the "Frantic" time compared it to > "lived-in" rather than "dined-in", if I remember correctly. > > Hm, I really must have come across like a Bryan Ferry fan here... > > CHS > > >> From: kwil632057@aol.com >> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:46:04 -0500 >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans >> >> As you've been a member for a while, I wonder if you go as far back as to >> remember the days when intelligent, insightful posts drew fascinating fresh >> light on the material rather than humdrum bleating? I'm talking of the days >> when we got classic posts of depth and substance from people whose names >> rarely, if ever appear these days. >> >> On a seperate although sort of connected note, has anybody else noticed that >> Ferry's voice has changed considerably over the last few years. I can't think >> of an artist whose vocals have aged quite so alarmingly, so quickly. Consider >> the voice of David Bowie - his voice is largely the same as it was before. >> Anyone care to comment? >> >> J >> >> n/p Bryan Ferry 'Lay Lady Lay' >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 3.12PM >> Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans >> >> Well of course it would be wouldn't it? >> >> If you find posts complaining about Ferrys meagre output boring then perhaps >> politely ignore them and let other lesser mortals air their views as often >> as they want? >> >> Ive been a member on here for ages - I find some contributors more >> interesting than others but don't feel the need to put down those that I >> don't enjoy. >> >> Rob >> >> -----Original Message---- >> From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of >> kwil632057@aol.com >> Sent: 29 January 2007 14:06 >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans >> >> Of course it's another thing entirely. >> >> You can only complain, moan, whinge etc about something if it has >> actually been released. That's why critics tend to wait for a product to >> review before offering their opinion. Where's the value in pointing out that >> material is taking a long time to appear? Surely anyone who is a part of >> this list is well aware? >> >> It's paralysingly boring to rant on and on about lack of output from Ferry. >> Surely it's far more interesting to discuss - good or bad - what actually is >> out there? >> >> J >> >> n/p 'A Simple Twist of Fate' Bryan Ferry >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:22:58 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry voice As Jonathan Ross said, he likes Ferry's Dylan covers because Ferry seems to find the melody in the song! I like Ferry's 'new' voice as well. Listening to Dylanesque, it's hard to imagine the Ferry of the 'Hard Rains...' period doing much of this material justice. J In a message dated 29/01/2007 21:16:59 GMT Standard Time, c-soetemann@versanet.de writes: Yes, there's certainly less Sprechgesang. But I really like the world-weariness his voice exudes nowadays. BTW, I didn't mean to say (Michiel mentioned it) BF chose Dylan songs because he could easily sing them... instead I intended to express that Dylan's melodies wouldn't be any problem for Ferry, since it's no multi-octave stuff. Personally I am very glad that Ferry's *voice* never drifted into show-off territory, but represents a very individualist and distinctive instrument. Nobody else sounds like him, and quite a few have tried. Yes, the style has changed a bit, but it's still the same unique vibrato and phrasing as it was before. In fact, if one were not to like his voice... why on earth should this person listen to a Bryan Ferry record? Because of the horses maybe? CHS ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:14:57 -0500 From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans Oh my God, enough. If you don't like someone's posts, either use the filter/killfile function on your mail program, email them directly, or email me if you think some sort of list rule is being broken. People are free to express all positive and negative views of Mr. Ferry, his output, his recording and touring and release frequency, his haircut, his choice of undergarments, blah blah blah. The discussion of the substance of someone's views belongs onlist. The rest of it should go to private email. I'm at the point where I dread having to open up any post on the list. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:12:45 -0000 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of KWil632057@aol.com Sent: 29 January 2007 20:49 To: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk; avalon@smoe.org Clearly not to you, oh great master, judge and commentator of all that appears on the list. Apologies Colleen, I will post no more in response to J. I don't know the list "rules" and wouldn't complain (despite being a complainer as labeled by the overlord) even if I thought they had been broken. I do think however that J has been completely out of order, (Ive been on here since about 1998 I think Hans Snijders told me about it and hardly ever crossed swords with anyone, made good friends), but I doubt he'll care. Joining Michiel in the "just about had enough of the snobbery on here" category and thinking of leaving Cheers Rob Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans Have you anything to say of any interest on the subject of Bryan Ferry or Roxy Music that isn't along the well-worn 'Why can't he release material more quickly?' line or the equally tedious, bitchy and really rather offensive comments about Jerry Hall that you occasionally insist on spouting? J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:17:28 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans Rob, Consider yourself ignored from now on. Good luck in the future. J In a message dated 29/01/2007 22:13:12 GMT Standard Time, rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk writes: - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of KWil632057@aol.com Sent: 29 January 2007 20:49 To: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk; avalon@smoe.org Clearly not to you, oh great master, judge and commentator of all that appears on the list. Apologies Colleen, I will post no more in response to J. I don't know the list "rules" and wouldn't complain (despite being a complainer as labeled by the overlord) even if I thought they had been broken. I do think however that J has been completely out of order, (Ive been on here since about 1998 I think Hans Snijders told me about it and hardly ever crossed swords with anyone, made good friends), but I doubt he'll care. Joining Michiel in the "just about had enough of the snobbery on here" category and thinking of leaving Cheers Rob Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans Have you anything to say of any interest on the subject of Bryan Ferry or Roxy Music that isn't along the well-worn 'Why can't he release material more quickly?' line or the equally tedious, bitchy and really rather offensive comments about Jerry Hall that you occasionally insist on spouting? J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:37:11 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans How deep and insightful, J. Ignoring would be the best thing you could do. Giving new meaning to the word ignorant. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > Rob, > > Consider yourself ignored from now on. > > Good luck in the future. > > J > > > In a message dated 29/01/2007 22:13:12 GMT Standard Time, > rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk writes: > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > KWil632057@aol.com > Sent: 29 January 2007 20:49 > To: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk; avalon@smoe.org > Clearly not to you, oh great master, judge and commentator of all that > appears on the list. > > Apologies Colleen, I will post no more in response to J. > > I don't know the list "rules" and wouldn't complain (despite being a > complainer as labeled by the overlord) even if I thought they had been > broken. > > I do think however that J has been completely out of order, (Ive been on > here since about 1998 I think Hans Snijders told me about it and hardly > ever > crossed swords with anyone, made good friends), but I doubt he'll care. > > Joining Michiel in the "just about had enough of the snobbery on here" > category and thinking of leaving > > Cheers > Rob > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > Have you anything to say of any interest on the subject of Bryan Ferry or > Roxy Music that isn't along the well-worn 'Why can't he release material > more > quickly?' line or the equally tedious, bitchy and really rather > offensive > comments about Jerry Hall that you occasionally insist on spouting? > > J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:03:58 +0000 From: philip77@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] Mamouna - vinyl If anyone has an unwanted copy of this masterpiece on vinyl and for disposal would be very interested. And hopefully , you've hardly played. cover intact and in good condition. Rest assured it would find a welcome home. e-mail me off list, ta Philip ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only 9.99 a month for your first 3 months! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:40:36 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mamouna - vinyl Hi Philip, I've got to say this, since we were speaking of Mamounaphiles and horses earlier today, and your name actually means horse-lover: Phil-hippus. I own a vinyl-copy of Mamouna, but regrettably wish to keep it. I'm also a Mamounaphile you see. Slave to horse. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Michiel van Sleen" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:03 PM Subject: [AVALON] Mamouna - vinyl > If anyone has an unwanted copy of this masterpiece on vinyl and for > disposal > would be very interested. And hopefully , you've hardly played. cover > intact > and in good condition. Rest assured it would find a welcome home. > > e-mail me off list, > > ta > > Philip > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tiscali Broadband only 9.99 a month for your first 3 months! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:18:48 -0000 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Mamouna - vinyl My copy though, although barely played (cos I tend to listen to that on CD rather than cos I don't like Mamouna) is very warped. Eil/Espirit are chained and bound to have a copy? I got a cracking Japanese vinyl pressing of Boys and Girls from them. They've got loads. I love vinyl, but Ferry to me translates better than most to CD. Mamouna, btw is an enigma to me. Boys and Girls was his magnum opus (his big ice cream) and it IS perfect in its construction, treading the line between sterile and perfection. And although I'd like to dislike Mamouna, cos it just doesn't FEEL as good as Boys and Girls or Bete Noire, tracks like Your Painted Smile are really quite unique in their haunting 2 minute something long beauty. Pity about Wildcat Days and Which Way to Turns final 3 minutes then.... Horse Woman. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michiel van Sleen Sent: 29 January 2007 23:41 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mamouna - vinyl Hi Philip, I've got to say this, since we were speaking of Mamounaphiles and horses earlier today, and your name actually means horse-lover: Phil-hippus. I own a vinyl-copy of Mamouna, but regrettably wish to keep it. I'm also a Mamounaphile you see. Slave to horse. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:25:45 -0500 From: Helen Thorpe Subject: [AVALON] Mamouna Cover Y'know - the Tshirt from the North American Mamouna tour makes a great pyjama top! Really! (Now you all know I sleep with BF on a regular basis ;-)) But seriously: I dropped by my work on the way home from seeing the Mamouna tour in Toronto. I was working as a bartender in a Lebanese restaurant, and I was curious about the arabic word on the shirt. The guys in the kitchen were totally scandalized that I would wear the shirt in public. When I finally got it out of them, the word "Mamouna" apparently means "fallen woman" (at best) but is more of a colloquial word for "slut" or "whore" And for the life on them, they couldn't figure out why there was a horse on the front of the shirt - although we had great fun thinking up rude reasons - after a couple of shots of Arak! And I've never really worn that shirt outside of my house since then. Wonder who Ferry had in mind when he titled the album. And now I have three words of arabic. I can say "Lets Go!!", "Thank You" and "Slut". What a great start to a holiday! H np: Peter Gabriel's "Realworld" sampler ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:13:44 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mamouna Cover In a message dated 30/01/2007 02:29:03 GMT Standard Time, hthorpe@can.rogers.com writes: Y'know - the Tshirt from the North American Mamouna tour makes a great pyjama top! Really! (Now you all know I sleep with BF on a regular basis ;-)) Counting white horses instead of sheep at bed time? ;) J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:16:05 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans I think you'll find Colleen has asked for an end to this and I'm more than willing to stop. Yours in ignorance, J In a message dated 29/01/2007 22:41:45 GMT Standard Time, mvsleen@hotmail.com writes: How deep and insightful, J. Ignoring would be the best thing you could do. Giving new meaning to the word ignorant. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V12 #25 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest