From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V12 #24 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, January 29 2007 Volume 12 : Number 024 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] oh lordy... ["KB Porter" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry voice ["Michiel van Sleen" ] RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans - Relax!! ["KB Porter" ] [AVALON] Mamouna Sleeve [johnobrien001@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans - Relax!! [kwil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Mamouna Sleeve [jocelynfiske@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] oh lordy... ["Michiel van Sleen" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Voice ( was Ferry fans) [kwil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry voice [kwil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] oh lordy... [kwil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] The Jean Genie [johnobrien001@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans ["Ivor Canning" ] Re: [AVALON] oh lordy... ["Michiel van Sleen" ] Re: [AVALON] oh lordy... ["Michiel van Sleen" ] RE: [AVALON] oh lordy... ["KB Porter" ] RE: [AVALON] oh lordy... [] RE: [AVALON] Mamouna Sleeve [] Re: [AVALON] oh lordy... ["Michiel van Sleen" ] Re: [AVALON] Mamouna Sleeve [KWil632057@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans [] Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans ["Michiel van Sleen" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:25:10 -0500 From: "KB Porter" Subject: RE: [AVALON] oh lordy... Christian comes clean: "Now given this recent trend, I don't understand why he used a *painting* of a horse on "Mamouna" (my fav BF album, yes, you can all hate me for it, I don't care... anymore)..." So glad you're out of the closet on this one, Christian, always suspected you were a 'Mamounaphile'. Now that you are officially a member of a very intimate and select group of persons who have impeccable taste, a group who value subtle nuance and who frankly, 'don't give a damn' about taunting from the 'moaners of Mamouna' - the unfortunate who have never given a true listen to this greatest canvas that Mr. Ferry is ever likely to paint - I salute you, Christian! A brave man indeed!!! I, too, have wondered why a horse for the cover. The painting by James Ward chosen for Mamouna's jacket is, of course, that of Adonis, King George III's favorite charger. There is no doubt that the dark mood, an atmospheric, classical romanticism of a 'noble beast and timeless landscape' about the painting mirrors the tone of the music therein - so harmony exists between this visual and the audio. But why the horse and not a picture of Ferry as had been traditionally employed visual for solo Ferry fare? Perhaps Mr. Ferry identifies with the artist who was born in London, the son of a warehouse manager. Ward achieved great success in his lifetime, was appointed mezzotinter to the Prince of Wales in 1794, was elected to R.A. in the Royal Academy in 1811, in which year he began painting his enormous canvas of Gordale Scar. Thereafter his work aspired consistently to the sublime, and he executed many history pictures. He outlived the fashion for his work and died impoverished and neglected. Fate, perhaps? Who knows, but Bryan Ferry selected Ward's painting because he found it appropriate for the album content. Ideas anyone? Again, Christian, Congratulations on your newly confessed 'devil may care' freedom! You know the drill. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:25:56 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry voice You've mentioned Ferry's deteriorating voice once before if I remember correctly, Christian, and that he maybe chose Dylan's monotonous songs because of his limited vocal range. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian H. Soetemann" To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry voice > Bob Dylan's voice sounds quite different nowadays compared to the 60s. Lou > Reed's voice has still a similar tone colour and singing style, but the > range seems more limited compared to the VU days. But those voices have > sounded a bit different to the way they did originally for quite some time > now (early ageing??). > > I think in a recent interview Ferry mentions his voice having become lower > than before. As I remarked a while ago, the middle to lower range seems to > do very well, but I guess he eschews higher to highest notes now. On the > Roxy tour in 2001, he virtually let the others sing the entire "Dance > Away" > refrain. Now compare that with the version on HSB. Whereas if he performed > tracks like "Sunset", it would be recognizably the same singer, but 30+ > years later. > > The phrasing and timbre have remained, though. One second's listen and you > know it's The Bry. Some tracks, I'd say, even benefit from a voice that > sounds older. One article around the "Frantic" time compared it to > "lived-in" rather than "dined-in", if I remember correctly. > > Hm, I really must have come across like a Bryan Ferry fan here... > > CHS > > >> From: kwil632057@aol.com >> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:46:04 -0500 >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans >> >> As you've been a member for a while, I wonder if you go as far back as to >> remember the days when intelligent, insightful posts drew fascinating >> fresh >> light on the material rather than humdrum bleating? I'm talking of the >> days >> when we got classic posts of depth and substance from people whose names >> rarely, if ever appear these days. >> >> On a seperate although sort of connected note, has anybody else noticed >> that >> Ferry's voice has changed considerably over the last few years. I can't >> think >> of an artist whose vocals have aged quite so alarmingly, so quickly. >> Consider >> the voice of David Bowie - his voice is largely the same as it was >> before. >> Anyone care to comment? >> >> J >> >> n/p Bryan Ferry 'Lay Lady Lay' >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 3.12PM >> Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans >> >> Well of course it would be wouldn't it? >> >> If you find posts complaining about Ferrys meagre output boring then >> perhaps >> politely ignore them and let other lesser mortals air their views as >> often >> as they want? >> >> Ive been a member on here for ages - I find some contributors more >> interesting than others but don't feel the need to put down those that I >> don't enjoy. >> >> Rob >> >> -----Original Message---- >> From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of >> kwil632057@aol.com >> Sent: 29 January 2007 14:06 >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans >> >> Of course it's another thing entirely. >> >> You can only complain, moan, whinge etc about something if it has >> actually been released. That's why critics tend to wait for a product to >> review before offering their opinion. Where's the value in pointing out >> that >> material is taking a long time to appear? Surely anyone who is a part of >> this list is well aware? >> >> It's paralysingly boring to rant on and on about lack of output from >> Ferry. >> Surely it's far more interesting to discuss - good or bad - what actually >> is >> out there? >> >> J >> >> n/p 'A Simple Twist of Fate' Bryan Ferry >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:57:48 -0500 From: "KB Porter" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans - Relax!! Wow! That's sort of like 'pasties at the burlesque' - mouse through the eyeballs, around and around... Makes me... not so relaxed. Must try this tonight, see if boobs work that way... HAAAAA HAAAAA When is Ferry's next coming out! High noon or new moon. KBP PS - Fishermen know, you reap what you sow. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:02:28 -0500 From: johnobrien001@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Mamouna Sleeve I am a big fan of Mamouna too (well most of it). During the 'Mamouna' documentary EPK video, Bryan refered to the songs on this album as 'pieces' which is how you would refer to classical music. At the end he mentioned the sleeve and said he wanted to use this painting as it made it look like a classical music record. Another theory is that the only female available at the time to use as a model was Bonnie Langford so Bryan chose a horse instead. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:10:59 -0500 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans - Relax!! Wow!!! J -----Original Message----- From: kbporter@verizon.net To: Avalon@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 4.57PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans - Relax!! Wow! That's sort of like 'pasties at the burlesque' - mouse through the eyeballs, around and around... Makes me... not so relaxed. Must try this tonight, see if boobs work that way... HAAAAA HAAAAA When is Ferry's next coming out! High noon or new moon. KBP PS - Fishermen know, you reap what you sow. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:11:28 -0500 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mamouna Sleeve >Another theory is that the only female available at the time to use as a model was Bonnie Langford so Bryan chose a horse instead. How can you tell the difference? _________________________________________________________________________ __ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:10:54 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] oh lordy... I was just about to leave you lot - slamming the door so to speak - but it's posts like these that keep me coming back. This would have been my last post (Funny, in Dutch I'm probably considered a 'lastpost': meaning a 'damn nuisance'...): If I'd ever wish to shut you people up, all I would have to do is say something. Then immediately everybody would start looking expectantly at their silverback, awaiting his reaction. Sickening really. Your "intelligent" company would make nice study material for Desmond Morris. Sure, fans are frequently bound to be fawning followers, and a handful of snobs and envious critics who imagine themselves leaders of the others, but free-thinkers should also exist, because if creativity were forbidden, there would also be no Bryan Ferry. How's that for depth? Michiel - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KB Porter" To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:25 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] oh lordy... > Christian comes clean: > > "Now given this recent trend, I don't understand why he used a *painting* > of > a horse on "Mamouna" (my fav BF album, yes, you can all hate me for it, I > don't care... anymore)..." > > > So glad you're out of the closet on this one, Christian, always suspected > you were a 'Mamounaphile'. > > Now that you are officially a member of a very intimate and select group > of > persons who have impeccable taste, a group who value subtle nuance and who > frankly, 'don't give a damn' about taunting from the 'moaners of > Mamouna' - > the unfortunate who have never given a true listen to this greatest canvas > that Mr. Ferry is ever likely to paint - I salute you, Christian! A brave > man indeed!!! > > I, too, have wondered why a horse for the cover. The painting by James > Ward > chosen for Mamouna's jacket is, of course, that of Adonis, King George > III's > favorite charger. There is no doubt that the dark mood, an atmospheric, > classical romanticism of a 'noble beast and timeless landscape' about the > painting mirrors the tone of the music therein - so harmony exists between > this visual and the audio. But why the horse and not a picture of Ferry > as > had been traditionally employed visual for solo Ferry fare? Perhaps Mr. > Ferry identifies with the artist who was born in London, the son of a > warehouse manager. Ward achieved great success in his lifetime, was > appointed mezzotinter to the Prince of Wales in 1794, was elected to R.A. > in > the Royal Academy in 1811, in which year he began painting his enormous > canvas of Gordale Scar. Thereafter his work aspired consistently to the > sublime, and he executed many history pictures. He outlived the fashion > for > his work and died impoverished and neglected. Fate, perhaps? Who knows, > but Bryan Ferry selected Ward's painting because he found it appropriate > for > the album content. > > Ideas anyone? > > Again, Christian, Congratulations on your newly confessed 'devil may care' > freedom! > > You know the drill. KBP > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:08:38 -0500 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Voice ( was Ferry fans) That's true. He has a far more commercial sound, less raucous than the old days which is reflected in the production. I would how Ferry would have handled a similar tracklist though? J -----Original Message----- From: krnchse@comcast.net To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 4.23PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans Rod Stewart.If he had recorded his latest Album of covers when his voice was as it was in his Faces days them it would have been fantastic IMO.Sadly he does little justice to these songs today. DM > On a seperate although sort of connected note, has anybody else noticed that Ferry's voice has changed considerably over the last few years. I can't think of an artist whose vocals have aged quite so alarmingly, so quickly. Consider the voice of David Bowie - his voice is largely the same as it was before. > Anyone care to comment? > > J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:16:38 -0500 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry voice It's funny but these days he seems to be trying to be more of a classical singer. The old style seemed to be more performance. I sort of miss that early, distinctive style but maybe if he tried to do it, he'd do himself a mischief! J -----Original Message----- From: c-soetemann@versanet.de To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 4.10PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry voice Bob Dylan's voice sounds quite different nowadays compared to the 60s. Lou Reed's voice has still a similar tone colour and singing style, but the range seems more limited compared to the VU days. But those voices have sounded a bit different to the way they did originally for quite some time now (early ageing??). I think in a recent interview Ferry mentions his voice having become lower than before. As I remarked a while ago, the middle to lower range seems to do very well, but I guess he eschews higher to highest notes now. On the Roxy tour in 2001, he virtually let the others sing the entire "Dance Away" refrain. Now compare that with the version on HSB. Whereas if he performed tracks like "Sunset", it would be recognizably the same singer, but 30+ years later. The phrasing and timbre have remained, though. One second's listen and you know it's The Bry. Some tracks, I'd say, even benefit from a voice that sounds older. One article around the "Frantic" time compared it to "lived-in" rather than "dined-in", if I remember correctly. Hm, I really must have come across like a Bryan Ferry fan here... CHS > From: kwil632057@aol.com > Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:46:04 -0500 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > As you've been a member for a while, I wonder if you go as far back as to > remember the days when intelligent, insightful posts drew fascinating fresh > light on the material rather than humdrum bleating? I'm talking of the days > when we got classic posts of depth and substance from people whose names > rarely, if ever appear these days. > > On a seperate although sort of connected note, has anybody else noticed that > Ferry's voice has changed considerably over the last few years. I can't think > of an artist whose vocals have aged quite so alarmingly, so quickly. Consider > the voice of David Bowie - his voice is largely the same as it was before. > Anyone care to comment? > > J > > n/p Bryan Ferry 'Lay Lady Lay' > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk > To: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 3.12PM > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > Well of course it would be wouldn't it? > > If you find posts complaining about Ferrys meagre output boring then perhaps > politely ignore them and let other lesser mortals air their views as often > as they want? > > Ive been a member on here for ages - I find some contributors more > interesting than others but don't feel the need to put down those that I > don't enjoy. > > Rob > > -----Original Message---- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > kwil632057@aol.com > Sent: 29 January 2007 14:06 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > Of course it's another thing entirely. > > You can only complain, moan, whinge etc about something if it has > actually been released. That's why critics tend to wait for a product to > review before offering their opinion. Where's the value in pointing out that > material is taking a long time to appear? Surely anyone who is a part of > this list is well aware? > > It's paralysingly boring to rant on and on about lack of output from Ferry. > Surely it's far more interesting to discuss - good or bad - what actually is > out there? > > J > > n/p 'A Simple Twist of Fate' Bryan Ferry > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:24:01 -0500 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] oh lordy... But surely you are saying something now and people haven't shut up. J -----Original Message----- From: mvsleen@hotmail.com To: Avalon@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 5.10PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] oh lordy... If I'd ever wish to shut you people up, all I would have to do is say something. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:32:46 -0500 From: johnobrien001@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] The Jean Genie Bryan has donated a pair of his jeans to charity: http://www.vivaroxymusic.com/news_20070128a.shtml J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:25:10 -0000 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans Looking back, Martino says we should all look away: > Avalonions pining for Ladytron 2007 and an urn containing G > Simpson's ashes on the piano will be disappointed... Bit harsh, Martin. I think it's also fair to say that fans of Ferry's layered soundscapes (a la 'Taxi' and 'Mamouna') may also be disappointed with the stripped-down (but smoothly-ground) sound of 'Dylanesque'. In fact, the disappointment for me is not that it doesn't sound like a particular Bryan Ferry or Roxy Music album. No, my concern is that in many ways (vocal style aside) this album of Dylan covers could have been made by just about anyone. That's something I've never felt before. Regards, Ivor n.p. 'Tonto's Expanding Head Band' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:01:05 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] oh lordy... How I miss the good old days... - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] oh lordy... > But surely you are saying something now and people haven't shut up. > > J > > -----Original Message----- > From: mvsleen@hotmail.com > To: Avalon@smoe.org > Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 5.10PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] oh lordy... > > > > If I'd ever wish to shut you people up, all I would have to do is say > something. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:04:56 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] oh lordy... Just felt like stirring the pot a bit. But seriously... When IS Ferry's next album coming round? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michiel van Sleen" To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] oh lordy... >I was just about to leave you lot - slamming the door so to speak - but >it's posts like these that keep me coming back. > > This would have been my last post (Funny, in Dutch I'm probably considered > a 'lastpost': meaning a 'damn nuisance'...): > > If I'd ever wish to shut you people up, all I would have to do is say > something. Then immediately everybody would start looking expectantly at > their silverback, awaiting his reaction. Sickening really. Your > "intelligent" company would make nice study material for Desmond Morris. > Sure, fans are frequently bound to be fawning followers, and a handful of > snobs and envious critics who imagine themselves leaders of the others, > but free-thinkers should also exist, because if creativity were forbidden, > there would also be no Bryan Ferry. How's that for depth? > > Michiel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "KB Porter" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:25 PM > Subject: RE: [AVALON] oh lordy... > > >> Christian comes clean: >> >> "Now given this recent trend, I don't understand why he used a *painting* >> of >> a horse on "Mamouna" (my fav BF album, yes, you can all hate me for it, I >> don't care... anymore)..." >> >> >> So glad you're out of the closet on this one, Christian, always suspected >> you were a 'Mamounaphile'. >> >> Now that you are officially a member of a very intimate and select group >> of >> persons who have impeccable taste, a group who value subtle nuance and >> who >> frankly, 'don't give a damn' about taunting from the 'moaners of >> Mamouna' - >> the unfortunate who have never given a true listen to this greatest >> canvas >> that Mr. Ferry is ever likely to paint - I salute you, Christian! A >> brave >> man indeed!!! >> >> I, too, have wondered why a horse for the cover. The painting by James >> Ward >> chosen for Mamouna's jacket is, of course, that of Adonis, King George >> III's >> favorite charger. There is no doubt that the dark mood, an atmospheric, >> classical romanticism of a 'noble beast and timeless landscape' about the >> painting mirrors the tone of the music therein - so harmony exists >> between >> this visual and the audio. But why the horse and not a picture of Ferry >> as >> had been traditionally employed visual for solo Ferry fare? Perhaps Mr. >> Ferry identifies with the artist who was born in London, the son of a >> warehouse manager. Ward achieved great success in his lifetime, was >> appointed mezzotinter to the Prince of Wales in 1794, was elected to R.A. >> in >> the Royal Academy in 1811, in which year he began painting his enormous >> canvas of Gordale Scar. Thereafter his work aspired consistently to the >> sublime, and he executed many history pictures. He outlived the fashion >> for >> his work and died impoverished and neglected. Fate, perhaps? Who knows, >> but Bryan Ferry selected Ward's painting because he found it appropriate >> for >> the album content. >> >> Ideas anyone? >> >> Again, Christian, Congratulations on your newly confessed 'devil may >> care' >> freedom! >> >> You know the drill. KBP >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:35:53 -0500 From: "KB Porter" Subject: RE: [AVALON] oh lordy... "and a handful of snobs and envious critics who imagine themselves leaders of the others," Hey! Don't talk about me like that!!! (Big grin over here) "but free-thinkers should also exist, because if creativity were forbidden, there would also be no Bryan Ferry. How's that for depth?" Miles Deep! Michiel, I've enjoyed many of your posts - they are no less intelligent or insightful than any of our past 'luminaries' posts. I think the biggest problem with a list is that 'good' posts require thought and time; they become part of the person's passion so much that one is compelled to share the thought with 'like-mined' readers in the hope that a further sense of satisfaction about BF/RM may occur. Posters who consistently throw out mono-syllabic quips and generalized questions without expounding their in-depth ideas on list strike me as either too lazy to generate a thoughtful post, or too shallow a thinker that they cannot discuss with pertinence, or perhaps, they are unable to effectively arrange and verbalize what synaptic workings are going on inside. We all must be forgiving and patience - otherwise we arm and destroy. I'm glad you aren't leaving the list. And some of your posts are hysterically funny, too, Michiel! Best wishes to all. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:58:44 -0000 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] oh lordy... Don't even think of going Michiel, don't even think twice! Rob I'm glad you aren't leaving the list. And some of your posts are hysterically funny, too, Michiel! Best wishes to all. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:09:03 -0000 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Mamouna Sleeve He chose a horse for "siren" too........... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of johnobrien001@aol.com Sent: 29 January 2007 17:02 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Mamouna Sleeve I am a big fan of Mamouna too (well most of it). During the 'Mamouna' documentary EPK video, Bryan refered to the songs on this album as 'pieces' which is how you would refer to classical music. At the end he mentioned the sleeve and said he wanted to use this painting as it made it look like a classical music record. Another theory is that the only female available at the time to use as a model was Bonnie Langford so Bryan chose a horse instead. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:09:43 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] oh lordy... Did I hear a muffled voice? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "'KB Porter'" ; ; "'Michiel van Sleen'" Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] oh lordy... > Don't even think of going Michiel, don't even think twice! > > Rob > > > I'm glad you aren't leaving the list. And some of your posts are > hysterically funny, too, Michiel! > > Best wishes to all. KBP > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:17:50 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mamouna Sleeve In a message dated 29/01/2007 20:15:48 GMT Standard Time, rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk writes: He chose a horse for "siren" too........... Ever the gentleman... J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:34:58 -0000 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans Ironically enough today has seen 3 great posts, 2 from KBP and one from Michiel. What is totally unnecessary is you passing unwanted judgement on others contributions, especially since you generally write one liners and put downs rather than anything resembling those quality posts of old. Oh and of course tell us there is news that you can't tell us but you can tell The Chosen Ones off list. The ones who can complain on your terms, about the album yes, but about a 5 year gap no. It may be more productive to concentrate on your own posts and those that interest you than put downs. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of kwil632057@aol.com Sent: 29 January 2007 16:03 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans Well that's easily the most insightful comment you've ever made. Keep it up. J -----Original Message----- From: mvsleen@hotmail.com To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 3.56PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans YAWN ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > As you've been a member for a while, I wonder if you go as far back as > to remember the days when intelligent, insightful posts drew fascinating > fresh light on the material rather than humdrum bleating? I'm talking of > the days when we got classic posts of depth and substance from people > whose names rarely, if ever appear these days. > > On a seperate although sort of connected note, has anybody else noticed > that Ferry's voice has changed considerably over the last few years. I > can't think of an artist whose vocals have aged quite so alarmingly, so > quickly. Consider the voice of David Bowie - his voice is largely the same > as it was before. > Anyone care to comment? > > J > > n/p Bryan Ferry 'Lay Lady Lay' > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk > To: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 3.12PM > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > Well of course it would be wouldn't it? > > If you find posts complaining about Ferrys meagre output boring then > perhaps > politely ignore them and let other lesser mortals air their views as often > as they want? > > Ive been a member on here for ages - I find some contributors more > interesting than others but don't feel the need to put down those that I > don't enjoy. > > Rob > > -----Original Message---- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > kwil632057@aol.com > Sent: 29 January 2007 14:06 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > Of course it's another thing entirely. > > You can only complain, moan, whinge etc about something if it has > actually been released. That's why critics tend to wait for a product to > review before offering their opinion. Where's the value in pointing out > that > material is taking a long time to appear? Surely anyone who is a part of > this list is well aware? > > It's paralysingly boring to rant on and on about lack of output from > Ferry. > Surely it's far more interesting to discuss - good or bad - what actually > is > out there? > > J > > n/p 'A Simple Twist of Fate' Bryan Ferry > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:48:50 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans Have you anything to say of any interest on the subject of Bryan Ferry or Roxy Music that isn't along the well-worn 'Why can't he release material more quickly?' line or the equally tedious, bitchy and really rather offensive comments about Jerry Hall that you occasionally insist on spouting? J In a message dated 29/01/2007 20:36:02 GMT Standard Time, rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk writes: Ironically enough today has seen 3 great posts, 2 from KBP and one from Michiel. What is totally unnecessary is you passing unwanted judgement on others contributions, especially since you generally write one liners and put downs rather than anything resembling those quality posts of old. Oh and of course tell us there is news that you can't tell us but you can tell The Chosen Ones off list. The ones who can complain on your terms, about the album yes, but about a 5 year gap no. It may be more productive to concentrate on your own posts and those that interest you than put downs. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:51:14 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans The man is back! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:34 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans > Ironically enough today has seen 3 great posts, 2 from KBP and one from > Michiel. > > What is totally unnecessary is you passing unwanted judgement on others > contributions, especially since you generally write one liners and put > downs > rather than anything resembling those quality posts of old. Oh and of > course > tell us there is news that you can't tell us but you can tell The Chosen > Ones off list. The ones who can complain on your terms, about the album > yes, > but about a 5 year gap no. > > It may be more productive to concentrate on your own posts and those that > interest you than put downs. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > kwil632057@aol.com > Sent: 29 January 2007 16:03 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > Well that's easily the most insightful comment you've ever made. > > Keep it up. > > J > > -----Original Message----- > From: mvsleen@hotmail.com > To: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 3.56PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > YAWN > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:46 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > > As you've been a member for a while, I wonder if you go as far back as > > to remember the days when intelligent, insightful posts drew fascinating > > fresh light on the material rather than humdrum bleating? I'm talking of > > the days when we got classic posts of depth and substance from people > > whose names rarely, if ever appear these days. > > > > On a seperate although sort of connected note, has anybody else noticed > > > > that Ferry's voice has changed considerably over the last few years. I > > can't think of an artist whose vocals have aged quite so alarmingly, so > > quickly. Consider the voice of David Bowie - his voice is largely the same > > > as it was before. > > Anyone care to comment? > > > > J > > > > n/p Bryan Ferry 'Lay Lady Lay' > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 3.12PM > > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > > > Well of course it would be wouldn't it? > > > > If you find posts complaining about Ferrys meagre output boring then > > perhaps > > politely ignore them and let other lesser mortals air their views as > often > > as they want? > > > > Ive been a member on here for ages - I find some contributors more > > interesting than others but don't feel the need to put down those that I > > don't enjoy. > > > > Rob > > > > -----Original Message---- > > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > > kwil632057@aol.com > > Sent: 29 January 2007 14:06 > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > > > Of course it's another thing entirely. > > > > You can only complain, moan, whinge etc about something if it has > > actually been released. That's why critics tend to wait for a product to > > review before offering their opinion. Where's the value in pointing out > > > > that > > material is taking a long time to appear? Surely anyone who is a part of > > this list is well aware? > > > > It's paralysingly boring to rant on and on about lack of output from > > Ferry. > > Surely it's far more interesting to discuss - good or bad - what > > actually >> is > > out there? > > > > J > > > > n/p 'A Simple Twist of Fate' Bryan Ferry > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V12 #24 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest