From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V12 #23 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, January 29 2007 Volume 12 : Number 023 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans [] Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans ["Michiel van Sleen" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans [kwil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans ["Michiel van Sleen" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans - Relax!! [kwil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans - Relax!! ["Michiel van Sleen" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans - Relax!! ["Michiel van Sleen" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans [kwil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans ["Michiel van Sleen" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans [kwil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans ["Michiel van Sleen" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry voice ["Christian H. Soetemann" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans ["Michiel van Sleen" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans ["krnchse" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:46:24 -0000 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans So if I "complain" about Ferrys lack of output you call me a "moaner" and a "whinger" but if you complain about "poor quality work" that's another thing entirely? We're all entitled to our different views, makes the list more interesting. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of KWil632057@aol.com Sent: 28 January 2007 00:27 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans In a message dated 27/01/2007 18:46:35 GMT Standard Time, kbporter@verizon.net writes: Yes, a double edge there J. - Remember that the next time you freely chide anyone for 'complaining' on list about various Ferry miscellany. Not really KP. I tend to get annoyed when folks complain about lack of output ad infinitum. Complaining about poor quality work compared to what he has achieved in the past is another thing entirely. Incidentally I copped a listen of Dylanesque today and while I feel it starts very strongly, it does tail off a little towards the end. Expect it to work very well indeed live though. I predicict it will chart at number 8 in the UK listings. Enjoying half term J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:55:36 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans Ah, not quite. Mere mortals aren't allowed to moan. It's a "droit divin". - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 2:46 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans > So if I "complain" about Ferrys lack of output you call me a "moaner" and > a > "whinger" but if you complain about "poor quality work" that's another > thing > entirely? > > We're all entitled to our different views, makes the list more > interesting. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > KWil632057@aol.com > Sent: 28 January 2007 00:27 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > In a message dated 27/01/2007 18:46:35 GMT Standard Time, > kbporter@verizon.net writes: > > Yes, a double edge there J. - Remember that the next time you freely > chide > anyone for 'complaining' on list about various Ferry miscellany. > > > Not really KP. I tend to get annoyed when folks complain about lack of > output ad infinitum. Complaining about poor > quality work compared to what he has achieved in the past is another > thing > > entirely. > > Incidentally I copped a listen of Dylanesque today and while I feel it > starts very strongly, it does tail off a little towards the end. > Expect it to work very well indeed live though. I predicict it will chart > at > number 8 in the UK listings. > > > > Enjoying half term J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:06:03 -0500 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans Of course it's another thing entirely. You can only complain, moan, whinge etc about something if it has actually been released. That's why critics tend to wait for a product to review before offering their opinion. Where's the value in pointing out that material is taking a long time to appear? Surely anyone who is a part of this list is well aware? It's paralysingly boring to rant on and on about lack of output from Ferry. Surely it's far more interesting to discuss - good or bad - what actually is out there? J n/p 'A Simple Twist of Fate' Bryan Ferry -----Original Message----- From: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 1.46PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans So if I "complain" about Ferrys lack of output you call me a "moaner" and a "whinger" but if you complain about "poor quality work" that's another thing entirely? We're all entitled to our different views, makes the list more interesting. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of KWil632057@aol.com Sent: 28 January 2007 00:27 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans In a message dated 27/01/2007 18:46:35 GMT Standard Time, kbporter@verizon.net writes: Yes, a double edge there J. - Remember that the next time you freely chide anyone for 'complaining' on list about various Ferry miscellany. Not really KP. I tend to get annoyed when folks complain about lack of output ad infinitum. Complaining about poor quality work compared to what he has achieved in the past is another thing entirely. Incidentally I copped a listen of Dylanesque today and while I feel it starts very strongly, it does tail off a little towards the end. Expect it to work very well indeed live though. I predicict it will chart at number 8 in the UK listings. Enjoying half term J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:24:10 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans There's a big difference between moaning about lack of quality - a negative sentiment - and letting others know that you're anxious to hear something new from his Master's Voice, which is actually quite a positive sentiment. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > Of course it's another thing entirely. > > You can only complain, moan, whinge etc about something if it has > actually been released. That's why critics tend to wait for a product to > review before offering their opinion. Where's the value in pointing out > that material is taking a long time to appear? Surely anyone who is a part > of this list is well aware? > > It's paralysingly boring to rant on and on about lack of output from > Ferry. Surely it's far more interesting to discuss - good or bad - what > actually is out there? > > J > > n/p 'A Simple Twist of Fate' Bryan Ferry > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk > To: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 1.46PM > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > So if I "complain" about Ferrys lack of output you call me a "moaner" and > a > "whinger" but if you complain about "poor quality work" that's another > thing > entirely? > > We're all entitled to our different views, makes the list more > interesting. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > KWil632057@aol.com > Sent: 28 January 2007 00:27 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > In a message dated 27/01/2007 18:46:35 GMT Standard Time, > kbporter@verizon.net writes: > > Yes, a double edge there J. - Remember that the next time you freely > chide > anyone for 'complaining' on list about various Ferry miscellany. > > > Not really KP. I tend to get annoyed when folks complain about lack of > output ad infinitum. Complaining about poor > quality work compared to what he has achieved in the past is another > thing > > entirely. > > Incidentally I copped a listen of Dylanesque today and while I feel it > starts very strongly, it does tail off a little towards the end. > Expect it to work very well indeed live though. I predicict it will chart > at > number 8 in the UK listings. > > > > Enjoying half term J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:50:24 -0500 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans - Relax!! Enjoy some pop art fun while you wait for Dylanesque: http://www.jacksonpollock.org/ J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:05:44 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans - Relax!! Thanks. On that Jackson Pollockesque site I've already made a better looking cover than the existing Dylanesque cover - inadvertantly! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans - Relax!! > Enjoy some pop art fun while you wait for Dylanesque: > > http://www.jacksonpollock.org/ > > > J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:09:56 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans - Relax!! I've probably also found a way to eliminate the ugly fairground windmills on the Dylanesque cover: http://www.patmedia.net/marklevinson/cool/cool_illusion.html - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michiel van Sleen" To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans - Relax!! > Thanks. On that Jackson Pollockesque site I've already made a better > looking cover than the existing Dylanesque cover - inadvertantly! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:50 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans - Relax!! > > >> Enjoy some pop art fun while you wait for Dylanesque: >> >> http://www.jacksonpollock.org/ >> >> >> J >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:12:57 -0000 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans Well of course it would be wouldn't it? If you find posts complaining about Ferrys meagre output boring then perhaps politely ignore them and let other lesser mortals air their views as often as they want? Ive been a member on here for ages - I find some contributors more interesting than others but don't feel the need to put down those that I don't enjoy. Rob - -----Original Message---- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of kwil632057@aol.com Sent: 29 January 2007 14:06 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans Of course it's another thing entirely. You can only complain, moan, whinge etc about something if it has actually been released. That's why critics tend to wait for a product to review before offering their opinion. Where's the value in pointing out that material is taking a long time to appear? Surely anyone who is a part of this list is well aware? It's paralysingly boring to rant on and on about lack of output from Ferry. Surely it's far more interesting to discuss - good or bad - what actually is out there? J n/p 'A Simple Twist of Fate' Bryan Ferry ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:12:46 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans - Relax!! No relaxing for the common man, while the boss is watching ;-) http://waterrocket.uh-lab.de/testpage1.htm ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:23:44 -0000 From: Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans Yes absolutely. I care enough to want Ferry to get going - to hear THAT voice - to do MORE. Only because he's brilliant and not always because he takes 5 years to make masterpieces. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michiel van Sleen Sent: 29 January 2007 14:24 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans There's a big difference between moaning about lack of quality - a negative sentiment - and letting others know that you're anxious to hear something new from his Master's Voice, which is actually quite a positive sentiment. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:46:04 -0500 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans As you've been a member for a while, I wonder if you go as far back as to remember the days when intelligent, insightful posts drew fascinating fresh light on the material rather than humdrum bleating? I'm talking of the days when we got classic posts of depth and substance from people whose names rarely, if ever appear these days. On a seperate although sort of connected note, has anybody else noticed that Ferry's voice has changed considerably over the last few years. I can't think of an artist whose vocals have aged quite so alarmingly, so quickly. Consider the voice of David Bowie - his voice is largely the same as it was before. Anyone care to comment? J n/p Bryan Ferry 'Lay Lady Lay' -----Original Message----- From: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 3.12PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans Well of course it would be wouldn't it? If you find posts complaining about Ferrys meagre output boring then perhaps politely ignore them and let other lesser mortals air their views as often as they want? Ive been a member on here for ages - I find some contributors more interesting than others but don't feel the need to put down those that I don't enjoy. Rob - -----Original Message---- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of kwil632057@aol.com Sent: 29 January 2007 14:06 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans Of course it's another thing entirely. You can only complain, moan, whinge etc about something if it has actually been released. That's why critics tend to wait for a product to review before offering their opinion. Where's the value in pointing out that material is taking a long time to appear? Surely anyone who is a part of this list is well aware? It's paralysingly boring to rant on and on about lack of output from Ferry. Surely it's far more interesting to discuss - good or bad - what actually is out there? J n/p 'A Simple Twist of Fate' Bryan Ferry ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:56:42 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans YAWN - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > As you've been a member for a while, I wonder if you go as far back as > to remember the days when intelligent, insightful posts drew fascinating > fresh light on the material rather than humdrum bleating? I'm talking of > the days when we got classic posts of depth and substance from people > whose names rarely, if ever appear these days. > > On a seperate although sort of connected note, has anybody else noticed > that Ferry's voice has changed considerably over the last few years. I > can't think of an artist whose vocals have aged quite so alarmingly, so > quickly. Consider the voice of David Bowie - his voice is largely the same > as it was before. > Anyone care to comment? > > J > > n/p Bryan Ferry 'Lay Lady Lay' > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk > To: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 3.12PM > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > Well of course it would be wouldn't it? > > If you find posts complaining about Ferrys meagre output boring then > perhaps > politely ignore them and let other lesser mortals air their views as often > as they want? > > Ive been a member on here for ages - I find some contributors more > interesting than others but don't feel the need to put down those that I > don't enjoy. > > Rob > > -----Original Message---- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > kwil632057@aol.com > Sent: 29 January 2007 14:06 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > Of course it's another thing entirely. > > You can only complain, moan, whinge etc about something if it has > actually been released. That's why critics tend to wait for a product to > review before offering their opinion. Where's the value in pointing out > that > material is taking a long time to appear? Surely anyone who is a part of > this list is well aware? > > It's paralysingly boring to rant on and on about lack of output from > Ferry. > Surely it's far more interesting to discuss - good or bad - what actually > is > out there? > > J > > n/p 'A Simple Twist of Fate' Bryan Ferry > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:02:43 -0500 From: kwil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans Well that's easily the most insightful comment you've ever made. Keep it up. J -----Original Message----- From: mvsleen@hotmail.com To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 3.56PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans YAWN ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > As you've been a member for a while, I wonder if you go as far back as > to remember the days when intelligent, insightful posts drew fascinating > fresh light on the material rather than humdrum bleating? I'm talking of > the days when we got classic posts of depth and substance from people > whose names rarely, if ever appear these days. > > On a seperate although sort of connected note, has anybody else noticed > that Ferry's voice has changed considerably over the last few years. I > can't think of an artist whose vocals have aged quite so alarmingly, so > quickly. Consider the voice of David Bowie - his voice is largely the same > as it was before. > Anyone care to comment? > > J > > n/p Bryan Ferry 'Lay Lady Lay' > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk > To: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 3.12PM > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > Well of course it would be wouldn't it? > > If you find posts complaining about Ferrys meagre output boring then > perhaps > politely ignore them and let other lesser mortals air their views as often > as they want? > > Ive been a member on here for ages - I find some contributors more > interesting than others but don't feel the need to put down those that I > don't enjoy. > > Rob > > -----Original Message---- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > kwil632057@aol.com > Sent: 29 January 2007 14:06 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > Of course it's another thing entirely. > > You can only complain, moan, whinge etc about something if it has > actually been released. That's why critics tend to wait for a product to > review before offering their opinion. Where's the value in pointing out > that > material is taking a long time to appear? Surely anyone who is a part of > this list is well aware? > > It's paralysingly boring to rant on and on about lack of output from > Ferry. > Surely it's far more interesting to discuss - good or bad - what actually > is > out there? > > J > > n/p 'A Simple Twist of Fate' Bryan Ferry > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:06:10 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans Let me rephrase that: Some of us may have driven your "friends in high places" away, but your superior disdain is bound to drive "modest" people away. I think we should all try to co-exist. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michiel van Sleen" To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > YAWN > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:46 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > >> As you've been a member for a while, I wonder if you go as far back as >> to remember the days when intelligent, insightful posts drew fascinating >> fresh light on the material rather than humdrum bleating? I'm talking of >> the days when we got classic posts of depth and substance from people >> whose names rarely, if ever appear these days. >> >> On a seperate although sort of connected note, has anybody else noticed >> that Ferry's voice has changed considerably over the last few years. I >> can't think of an artist whose vocals have aged quite so alarmingly, so >> quickly. Consider the voice of David Bowie - his voice is largely the >> same as it was before. >> Anyone care to comment? >> >> J >> >> n/p Bryan Ferry 'Lay Lady Lay' >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 3.12PM >> Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans >> >> Well of course it would be wouldn't it? >> >> If you find posts complaining about Ferrys meagre output boring then >> perhaps >> politely ignore them and let other lesser mortals air their views as >> often >> as they want? >> >> Ive been a member on here for ages - I find some contributors more >> interesting than others but don't feel the need to put down those that I >> don't enjoy. >> >> Rob >> >> -----Original Message---- >> From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of >> kwil632057@aol.com >> Sent: 29 January 2007 14:06 >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans >> >> Of course it's another thing entirely. >> >> You can only complain, moan, whinge etc about something if it has >> actually been released. That's why critics tend to wait for a product to >> review before offering their opinion. Where's the value in pointing out >> that >> material is taking a long time to appear? Surely anyone who is a part of >> this list is well aware? >> >> It's paralysingly boring to rant on and on about lack of output from >> Ferry. >> Surely it's far more interesting to discuss - good or bad - what actually >> is >> out there? >> >> J >> >> n/p 'A Simple Twist of Fate' Bryan Ferry >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:10:42 +0100 From: "Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry voice Bob Dylan's voice sounds quite different nowadays compared to the 60s. Lou Reed's voice has still a similar tone colour and singing style, but the range seems more limited compared to the VU days. But those voices have sounded a bit different to the way they did originally for quite some time now (early ageing??). I think in a recent interview Ferry mentions his voice having become lower than before. As I remarked a while ago, the middle to lower range seems to do very well, but I guess he eschews higher to highest notes now. On the Roxy tour in 2001, he virtually let the others sing the entire "Dance Away" refrain. Now compare that with the version on HSB. Whereas if he performed tracks like "Sunset", it would be recognizably the same singer, but 30+ years later. The phrasing and timbre have remained, though. One second's listen and you know it's The Bry. Some tracks, I'd say, even benefit from a voice that sounds older. One article around the "Frantic" time compared it to "lived-in" rather than "dined-in", if I remember correctly. Hm, I really must have come across like a Bryan Ferry fan here... CHS > From: kwil632057@aol.com > Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:46:04 -0500 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > As you've been a member for a while, I wonder if you go as far back as to > remember the days when intelligent, insightful posts drew fascinating fresh > light on the material rather than humdrum bleating? I'm talking of the days > when we got classic posts of depth and substance from people whose names > rarely, if ever appear these days. > > On a seperate although sort of connected note, has anybody else noticed that > Ferry's voice has changed considerably over the last few years. I can't think > of an artist whose vocals have aged quite so alarmingly, so quickly. Consider > the voice of David Bowie - his voice is largely the same as it was before. > Anyone care to comment? > > J > > n/p Bryan Ferry 'Lay Lady Lay' > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk > To: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 3.12PM > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > Well of course it would be wouldn't it? > > If you find posts complaining about Ferrys meagre output boring then perhaps > politely ignore them and let other lesser mortals air their views as often > as they want? > > Ive been a member on here for ages - I find some contributors more > interesting than others but don't feel the need to put down those that I > don't enjoy. > > Rob > > -----Original Message---- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > kwil632057@aol.com > Sent: 29 January 2007 14:06 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > Of course it's another thing entirely. > > You can only complain, moan, whinge etc about something if it has > actually been released. That's why critics tend to wait for a product to > review before offering their opinion. Where's the value in pointing out that > material is taking a long time to appear? Surely anyone who is a part of > this list is well aware? > > It's paralysingly boring to rant on and on about lack of output from Ferry. > Surely it's far more interesting to discuss - good or bad - what actually is > out there? > > J > > n/p 'A Simple Twist of Fate' Bryan Ferry > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:14:49 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans Couldn't your own childishness have driven your intelligent friends away? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > Well that's easily the most insightful comment you've ever made. > > Keep it up. > > J > > -----Original Message----- > From: mvsleen@hotmail.com > To: avalon@smoe.org > Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 3.56PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > YAWN > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:46 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > > As you've been a member for a while, I wonder if you go as far back as > > > to remember the days when intelligent, insightful posts drew fascinating > > > fresh light on the material rather than humdrum bleating? I'm talking > > of > the days when we got classic posts of depth and substance from > > people > whose names rarely, if ever appear these days. > > > > On a seperate although sort of connected note, has anybody else noticed > > > that Ferry's voice has changed considerably over the last few years. I > > > can't think of an artist whose vocals have aged quite so alarmingly, > > so > quickly. Consider the voice of David Bowie - his voice is largely > > the same > as it was before. > > Anyone care to comment? > > > > J > > > > n/p Bryan Ferry 'Lay Lady Lay' > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 3.12PM > > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > > > Well of course it would be wouldn't it? > > > > If you find posts complaining about Ferrys meagre output boring then > > > perhaps > > politely ignore them and let other lesser mortals air their views as > > often > > as they want? > > > > Ive been a member on here for ages - I find some contributors more > > interesting than others but don't feel the need to put down those that I > > don't enjoy. > > > > Rob > > > > -----Original Message---- > > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > > kwil632057@aol.com > > Sent: 29 January 2007 14:06 > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > > > Of course it's another thing entirely. > > > > You can only complain, moan, whinge etc about something if it has > > actually been released. That's why critics tend to wait for a product to > > review before offering their opinion. Where's the value in pointing out > > > that > > material is taking a long time to appear? Surely anyone who is a part of > > this list is well aware? > > > > It's paralysingly boring to rant on and on about lack of output from > > > Ferry. > > Surely it's far more interesting to discuss - good or bad - what > > actually > is > > out there? > > > > J > > > > n/p 'A Simple Twist of Fate' Bryan Ferry > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:16:56 +0100 From: "Michiel van Sleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans As well as my childishness of course. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michiel van Sleen" To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > Couldn't your own childishness have driven your intelligent friends away? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:02 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans > > >> Well that's easily the most insightful comment you've ever made. >> >> Keep it up. >> >> J >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mvsleen@hotmail.com >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 3.56PM >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans >> >> YAWN >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: >> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans >> >> > As you've been a member for a while, I wonder if you go as far back as >> > > to remember the days when intelligent, insightful posts drew >> > fascinating > fresh light on the material rather than humdrum bleating? >> > I'm talking of > the days when we got classic posts of depth and >> > substance from people > whose names rarely, if ever appear these days. >> > >> > On a seperate although sort of connected note, has anybody else noticed >> > > that Ferry's voice has changed considerably over the last few years. >> > I > can't think of an artist whose vocals have aged quite so >> > alarmingly, so > quickly. Consider the voice of David Bowie - his voice >> > is largely the same > as it was before. >> > Anyone care to comment? >> > >> > J >> > >> > n/p Bryan Ferry 'Lay Lady Lay' >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk >> > To: avalon@smoe.org >> > Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 3.12PM >> > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry fans >> > >> > Well of course it would be wouldn't it? >> > >> > If you find posts complaining about Ferrys meagre output boring then > >> > perhaps >> > politely ignore them and let other lesser mortals air their views as >> > often >> > as they want? >> > >> > Ive been a member on here for ages - I find some contributors more >> > interesting than others but don't feel the need to put down those that >> > I >> > don't enjoy. >> > >> > Rob >> > >> > -----Original Message---- >> > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of >> > kwil632057@aol.com >> > Sent: 29 January 2007 14:06 >> > To: avalon@smoe.org >> > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans >> > >> > Of course it's another thing entirely. >> > >> > You can only complain, moan, whinge etc about something if it has >> > actually been released. That's why critics tend to wait for a product >> > to >> > review before offering their opinion. Where's the value in pointing out >> > > that >> > material is taking a long time to appear? Surely anyone who is a part >> > of >> > this list is well aware? >> > >> > It's paralysingly boring to rant on and on about lack of output from > >> > Ferry. >> > Surely it's far more interesting to discuss - good or bad - what >> > actually > is >> > out there? >> > >> > J >> > >> > n/p 'A Simple Twist of Fate' Bryan Ferry >> > >> > >> > ___________________________________________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >> > >> > >> > ___________________________________________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:23:52 -0500 From: "krnchse" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry fans Rod Stewart.If he had recorded his latest Album of covers when his voice was as it was in his Faces days them it would have been fantastic IMO.Sadly he does little justice to these songs today. DM > On a seperate although sort of connected note, has anybody else noticed that Ferry's voice has changed considerably over the last few years. I can't think of an artist whose vocals have aged quite so alarmingly, so quickly. Consider the voice of David Bowie - his voice is largely the same as it was before. > Anyone care to comment? > > J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V12 #23 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest