From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V11 #233 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, October 12 2006 Volume 11 : Number 233 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Re: Finking too much [ameyersld@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: Finking too much ["michiel" ] [AVALON] Roxy remixes [Mark ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy remixes [JohnOBrien001@aol.com] [AVALON] Blank Frank and Dead Finks Dont Talk ["Colette Robertson" "Dead Finks is not about Bryan Ferry. After all the music was recorded and > the words written, Chris Thomas (my producer and Roxy's as well) said, > 'you'll get me shot for that track. It's obviously about Bryan.' So I > listened back to it and it obviously was. >> ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:06:59 +0200 From: "michiel" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Finking too much They fink, therefore they fought... (My favourite incomprehensible proverb.) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: [AVALON] Re: Finking too much > Hey All! > So here we have Eno saying both that it is and is not about Bryan Ferry. > Surely that should settle debate? > "Just goes to show: The Cow's Around!" (My favourite incomprehensible > proverb....) > Andrew in Chicago > >> "Dead Finks is not about Bryan Ferry. After all the music was > recorded and >> the words written, Chris Thomas (my producer and Roxy's as well) said, >> 'you'll get me shot for that track. It's obviously about Bryan.' So I >> listened back to it and it obviously was. >> > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security > tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, > free AOL Mail and more. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:14:45 +0100 From: Mark Subject: [AVALON] Roxy remixes Did someone say they had got a promo of this the other day? I'm having trouble finding out when the official release date is: it looks like the 4 track single- 'Remix #01' (which is the promo I believe) is out on 16th. Goodness only knows when the album is due out- Virgin websites as usual are useless and offer no clue. One would usually assume that an album would be fairly hot on the heels of a promo , but we are talking Virgin and Roxy Music here........ Mactheaxe ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:15:18 EDT From: JohnOBrien001@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy remixes There are no plans for a commercial release of these mixes at this stage. Any copies floating around are promos. J.O'B. In a message dated 11/10/2006 16:21:44 GMT Standard Time, mark@olivetreepl.plus.com writes: Did someone say they had got a promo of this the other day? I'm having trouble finding out when the official release date is: it looks like the 4 track single- 'Remix #01' (which is the promo I believe) is out on 16th. Goodness only knows when the album is due out- Virgin websites as usual are useless and offer no clue. One would usually assume that an album would be fairly hot on the heels of a promo , but we are talking Virgin and Roxy Music here........ Mactheaxe ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:56:47 +0100 From: "Colette Robertson" Subject: [AVALON] Blank Frank and Dead Finks Dont Talk Test - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of rob.whiteford@larcltd.co.uk Sent: 09 October 2006 16:45 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Blank Frank and Dead Finks Dont Talk Does anyone out there know which Eno songs were about Bryan Ferry? I have read that Blank Frank and Dead Finks don't Talk both are. Here's the link to Dead Finks, cant remember where I read Blank Frank. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0006061/bio Cheers Rob PS anyone mailing off list please note changed email address. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:54:17 +0200 From: "A. van Lammeren" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Blank Frank and Dead Finks Dont talk Micheal wrote, October 10th, 2006: > "It's all over now baby blue" if sung earlier in his life) and "Funny > how the time slips away" could have been about Eno as well...As well as > "Caldonia (What Makes Your Big Head So Hard?)" > > And I just read that: "Paw Paw Negro Blowtorch, rumor has it, is a > coded attack on Bryan Ferry, with Eno indulging in parodic Ferry vocal > imitations." > http://starling.rinet.ru/music/temp/roxysolo.html > > > >> And you learn something every day eh? I never knew Casanova was about >> Eno. >> >> Cheers >> Rob This is just an interlude to Reecey: Did you get, via above link: http://starling.rinet.ru/music/troggs.htm ? Tara, Anton. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:43:59 +0100 From: Stephen Thrower Subject: [AVALON] Dead Finks Don't Talk Apologies if this has all bene chewed over before........ 'Dead Finks' has several lines attacking Ferry. "Oh you headless chicken, can those poor teeth take so much kicking, You're always so charming, as you peck your way up there." The implied violence in the line about teeth (I always see Ferry here, teeth bared in that strange half-snarl he used in his early performances) no doubt stems from Eno's habit of writing what he thinks is nonsense but which inevitably contains unconscious feelings - in this case hostility. Imagery of teeth, of smashing or breaking them, is traditionally associated in Freudian analysis with attacks on father figures or by extension authority figures - perhaps Eno here reveals his unconscious Oedipal position with regard to Ferry, the authority figure of the band? The line about pecking is less veiled, more directly an attack on what Eno perceives as Ferry's social climbing, seen negatively as a chicken's ascent up the pecking order. The word 'fink' has interesting associations that not only suggest an attack on Ferry (in a general sense a fink is an "obnoxious or loathsome person") but also on Manzanera and Mackay ("and so they stumble round in threes") for going along with Eno's ousting from the band (a 'fink' can also be "someone who continues to work when fellow workers are on strike"). (We can assume therefore that Eno exonerates Paul Thompson - after all, he's 'only the drummer'...) Other lines are a bit opaque. I've often wondered if "I've been ever so sad for a very long time" was a gin-sozzled late-night 'between you and me' confession of Ferry's mean-spiritedly taken out of context and hoisted up the flagpole for scornful purposes... The lines "And these finks don't dress too well/No discrimination/To be a zombie all the time/ Requires such dedication" flail rather broad swipes at an important part of Ferry's strategy with Roxy, dress sense. Perhaps (and this is only a guess) Eno wrote these lines when he was aware of Ferry's decision to adopt the nostalgic lounge lizard tuxedo'ed look as a permanent step away from glam, and saw it as a bad move ('to be a zombie all the time')? The events of 1973 were incredibly compressed in time - two albums, one with and one without Eno - so perhaps Ferry was already laying down the law regarding the shift from glam to thirties chic before Eno left? The last verse is especially interesting, and I've always suspected that it gets to the heart of a major philosophical disagreement between Eno and Ferry, one which I've never seen addressed by either of them in interviews. After a spiteful attack on Ferry's vocals ("But these finks don't talk too well//they've got a shaky sense of diction") which may also be an attack on Ferry's (self-confessed) lack of facility with words in interviews, we get this key line, which Eno delivers with added emphasis at the close of the song: "It's not so much a living hell/It's just a dying fiction". A dying fiction? Could Eno be referring to Christianity? It has always struck me as very significant that Ferry's dalliance with Christianity began immediately after Eno's departure, first with 'Psalm' (on Stranded), and then 'Triptych' (on Country Life). The first of these can, at a stretch, be seen as an ironic play with musical and lyrical form, in this case Gospel. 'Triptych', however, sweeps aside such caveats by displaying a straight-faced piety, and indulgence in the mysticism of the Cross. Compare the 'Dead Finks' phrase "dying fiction" with this quote from Eno: "I'm an atheist, and the concept of god for me is all part of what I call the last illusion. The last illusion is someone knows what is going on. Nearly everyone has that illusion somewhere, and it manifests not only in the terms of the idea that there is a god but that it knows what's going on but that the planets know what's going on. Astrology is part of the last illusion. The obsession with health is part of the last illusion, the idea that there's that if only we could spend time on it and sit down and stop being unreasonable with each other we'd all find that there was a structure and a solution underlying plan to it all, for most people the short answer to that is god." Last illusions or dying fictions, it sounds like Ferry was deviating from the path of existentialism and Eno was outraged by what he saw as Ferry's dalliance with an outmoded, intellectually stunted fairy-tale. Musically, there are several echoes of Roxy, from the delicate slightly tea-room tinkle of the piano figure, to the bombastic basso profondo vocals that underscore the lines "Oh perfect masters, thery thrive on disasters" - voices that bring to mind 'The Pride and the Pain' with its male chorus of mock-operatic splendour. And finally, there's the single funniest dig on the record: Eno squawks the words "Oh no! Oh-no oh-no oh-no!" in what can only have been intended as a piss-take of Ferry's nakedly squawking delivery of the lines "Shake your hair girl with your ponytail" and "Throw your precious gifts into the air", on 'If There Is Something'. Ferry's vocal delivery on those lines is extreme and bizarre, and Eno seems to have seized upon Ferry's self-confessed embarrassment at singing the song live, using it to take the piss out of the lounge-lizard's most 'uncool' moment on record! Steve Thrower ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V11 #233 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest