From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V11 #214 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, September 21 2006 Volume 11 : Number 214 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON]M&S/other junk [robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk] Re: [AVALON] Ferry's career path [robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk] RE: [AVALON]M&S/other junk ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON]M&S/other junk ["michiel" ] RE: [AVALON] Ferry's career path ["KB Porter" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry's career path ["michiel" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry's career path ["michiel" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry's career path [KWil632057@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Ferry's career path ["Bryan" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry's career path [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry's career path ["michiel" ] [AVALON] Ferry's career path-what kind of genius is he? ["krnchse" Message Received: Sep 19 2006, 10:44 PM > From: KWil632057@aol.com > To: avalon@smoe.org > Cc: > Subject: Re: [AVALON]M&S/other junk > > In a message dated 19/09/2006 21:05:48 GMT Standard Time, > robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > If you arent part of Ferrys management do you know someone who is? > > > > Why is that important? > > No. > > J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:30:57 +0200 (CEST) From: robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's career path All about opinions I suppose! Songs already written..I was trying to say that even the Ferry written numbers on Frantic had been written years before it came out, with the exception of I thought - dont know when they did that. Sometimes I've wondered what NEW songs Ferry has written since Mamouna, 12 years ago. Cheers rob > Message Received: Sep 19 2006, 10:58 PM > From: KWil632057@aol.com > To: avalon@smoe.org > Cc: > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's career path > > In a message dated 19/09/2006 21:16:07 GMT Standard Time, > robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > And was it much better than horoscope? Nope. > Yep, miles better. A fantastically icy journey through meticulously created > soundscapes. Superb. > > > > Not content with this we then > have another 6 year wait for Frantic, an album of songs already written and > some covers. Much better than Alphaville? Nope. > > Yep, miles better. I, Thought, Don't Think Twice, the pounding, bitterness > of Nobody Loves Me all stand out as highlights. > > > What exactly do you mean by "Frantic, an album of songs already written" ? > > J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:58:44 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON]M&S/other junk We've got to be careful here. I agree there's something seemingly haphazard about the marketing of Bryan's late 80s and 90s output but weak chart performance can also be attributed to the capricious nature of the record buying masses. Don't forget that the first chart underperformance came around Bride, the peerless suicide note about LA ennui, yet the record buying public had turned its back on a man they perceived as a lounge lizard for the thrilling and edgy punk tsunami. A few years later as the world embraced Conran and Armani the masses were ready for the hifi bliss of Avalon and B&G. What I'm saying is that BF's genuis has, to my ears, never failed him when translated to recordings, yet the charts tell a different story. Lets face it, his urbane, cool, shy, classic demeanour is not everyone's cup of tea. It is, it goes without saying, mine. And one assumes that goes for everyone in fragrant Avalonia. Pip pip 'Tino - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk Sent: 20 September 2006 09:27 To: KWil632057@aol.com; avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON]M&S/other junk Its not important. I was just curious as you seem a bit defensive about any criticism of his management. I think he's briliant, incredibly talented, but could have been managed and promoted better. Two examples: The Right Stuff I quoted before......great single, even IYLSE got to 22 or so..., but this exquisite and commercial track bombs at 37 before Bete Noire is even out. I was around, I was a fan, and that was barely promoted at all. 2nd Mamouna - Mamouna he did get in gear a bit. Radio one record of the week with the title track played quite a bit. Single, the beautiful but non commercial YPS. Cheers Rob > Message Received: Sep 19 2006, 10:44 PM > From: KWil632057@aol.com > To: avalon@smoe.org > Cc: > Subject: Re: [AVALON]M&S/other junk > > In a message dated 19/09/2006 21:05:48 GMT Standard Time, > robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > If you arent part of Ferrys management do you know someone who is? > > > > Why is that important? > > No. > > J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/451 - Release Date: 9/19/2006 - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/451 - Release Date: 9/19/2006 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:15:45 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's career path In a message dated 20/09/2006 09:33:57 GMT Standard Time, robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk writes: Songs already written..I was trying to say that even the Ferry written numbers on Frantic had been written years before it came out, with the exception of I thought - dont know when they did that. Sometimes I've wondered what NEW songs Ferry has written since Mamouna, 12 years ago. So you are complaining that Ferry released an album with songs written years before it was eventually released? I have never understood why this is such a problem for some people. Ferry's music has rarely been specific to a time period and peppered with up to the date pop culture references. If he was a political songwriter like, say, Billy Bragg then it's a problem. Luckily he's not. Just because you may have heard, say, Love War, isn't Bryan's fault. It should be a new track when you hear it on official release and there's no point crying foul just because you have chosen to take a sneaky peak behind the Wizards curtain. What is a new track? Should he have written and recorded it the morning of release perhaps? Take San Simeon, for example. Lyrics retrieved from thirty years previous. So what? It's still a wonderfully haunting song and I'm pleased to have the chance to hear it. What about The Only Face? Written over a period of years. Probably one of his finest songs. Still a wonderful juxtaposition on that album of Jools Holland's upbeat party tunes though. From your posts I note that you have heard Horoscope and Alphaville. Don't you think that if Bryan's work seems stale then it might be the fault of those of us (and I very much include myself here) who have jumped the gun and looked at the roughs before the master has finished with the canvas? J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:25:10 +0200 (CEST) From: robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk Subject: RE: [AVALON]M&S/other junk Martin, I agree with your post, and certainly any number of external factors impact on commercial success at any point. Sign of the Times - again - criminally ignored and reached 37 despite being arguably his best ever single. I was about 19 or 20 when bete noire came out, and eagerly listened for news/publicity/Ferry appearances to promote it. Boys and Girls you couldnt get away from, constant radio play, lots of tv interviews. Bete Noire - an appearance on Terry Wogan. I am not so sure that the designer cool of the 80's had vanished by 1987, and it seemed to me he went from one of the biggest stars in music in 1985 to somebody who couldnt buy a hit in 1987. Did the market change that much? and did he use Patrick Leonard without a thought to commercial success? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:30:07 +0200 (CEST) From: robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's career path I think you are misunderstanding where I am coming from here. I am not "complaining" just putting forward a personal view on Ferrys output and what might have been with better advice and management around him. He's given me untold pleasure over the years. And wondering how many new songs he's written recently. Its a reasonable thing to wonder about. Isnt it? Is he still writing? Take your point on unreleased stuff - but as much as we all love him you cant pretend Taxi, Mamouna, ATGB and Frantic is much of an output in 20 years. He isnt above such observations surely- even if I'm wrong. > So you are complaining that Ferry released an album with songs written years > before it was eventually released? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:34:21 -0400 From: "KB Porter" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry's career path "Just because you may have heard, say, Love War, isn't Bryan's fault. It should be a new track when you hear it on official release and there's no point crying foul just because you have chosen to take a sneaky peak behind the Wizards curtain." Let's be fair here. "Love War" was stolen and illegally traded by one of Mr. Ferry's most inner circle, paid management. That alone speaks volumes about his mismanagement. It also tells me that Mr. Ferry has made poor decisions in not selecting the most talented and reliable 'support team' available. I assume he cares, but I also wonder how it is possible that he is not on game with what his handlers are up to. The fans didn't "take a sneaky peak behind the Wizards curtain". The curtain was flashed wide open by unethical managerial scum for all the wide world to see. Closing ones eyes in order to ignore and not acknowledge is not a wise option. In Martin's wake, I'd like to reinforce the idea that the issue at hand is very complex with many indeterminate factors and variables at play. Indeed, a PHD candidate could write quite an interesting dissertation on market forces and BF's career - that is, if pertinent, credible information was made available to said individual. Otherwise, it's all conjecture. Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:40:12 +0200 From: "michiel" Subject: Re: [AVALON]M&S/other junk That4s certainly true. However, those that did wait for new material or appearances got disappointed time and time again, and the lack of promotion didn4t help to create new fans. I can understand Ferry4s management got careful when the going got rough, but they almost closed the door on Ferry4s few friends and fans. Or could the exclusive nature be part of Ferry4s charm? M - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Stockman" To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: RE: [AVALON]M&S/other junk > We've got to be careful here. I agree there's something seemingly > haphazard > about the marketing of Bryan's late 80s and 90s output but weak chart > performance can also be attributed to the capricious nature of the record > buying masses. Don't forget that the first chart underperformance came > around Bride, the peerless suicide note about LA ennui, yet the record > buying public had turned its back on a man they perceived as a lounge > lizard > for the thrilling and edgy punk tsunami. A few years later as the world > embraced Conran and Armani the masses were ready for the hifi bliss of > Avalon and B&G. What I'm saying is that BF's genuis has, to my ears, never > failed him when translated to recordings, yet the charts tell a different > story. Lets face it, his urbane, cool, shy, classic demeanour is not > everyone's cup of tea. It is, it goes without saying, mine. And one > assumes > that goes for everyone in fragrant Avalonia. > > Pip pip > 'Tino > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk > Sent: 20 September 2006 09:27 > To: KWil632057@aol.com; avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON]M&S/other junk > > Its not important. I was just curious as you seem a bit defensive about > any > criticism of his management. > I think he's briliant, incredibly talented, but could have been managed > and > promoted better. > > Two examples: The Right Stuff I quoted before......great single, even > IYLSE > got to 22 or so..., but this exquisite and commercial track bombs at 37 > before Bete Noire is even out. I was around, I was a fan, and that was > barely promoted at all. > 2nd Mamouna - Mamouna he did get in gear a bit. Radio one record of the > week > with the title track played quite a bit. Single, the beautiful but non > commercial YPS. > Cheers > Rob > > > >> Message Received: Sep 19 2006, 10:44 PM >> From: KWil632057@aol.com >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Cc: >> Subject: Re: [AVALON]M&S/other junk >> >> In a message dated 19/09/2006 21:05:48 GMT Standard Time, >> robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk writes: >> >> If you arent part of Ferrys management do you know someone who is? >> >> >> >> Why is that important? >> >> No. >> >> J >> >> >> > ___________________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/451 - Release Date: 9/19/2006 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/451 - Release Date: 9/19/2006 > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:51:40 -0400 From: "KB Porter" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry's career path "Take San Simeon, for example. Lyrics retrieved from thirty years previous." This reminds me, I have always wondered at the validity of Mr. Ferry's claim about losing a suitcase of lyrics as a contributing factor for his lack of new songs. If "San Simeon" lyric was written along with IEDHAH lyric, as claimed by BF, when did he loose this treasure trove? Which airline lost it? And where is the case today - in somebody's attic, in the unclaimed baggage section, a land fill? Why would he check a bag of lyrics - it's his life's blood! My question is: How many readers believe the above tale? KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:04:29 +0200 From: "michiel" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's career path Right, he4d never in his whole life could write a suitcase full of lyrics. It4s a lie!!! And if I4d lost about 20 lyrics, I4d rememer most of them because I4d so intensely composed them. Fact is, words never came easy to him. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KB Porter" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 3:51 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry's career path > "Take San Simeon, for example. Lyrics retrieved from thirty years > previous." > > > This reminds me, I have always wondered at the validity of Mr. Ferry's > claim > about losing a suitcase of lyrics as a contributing factor for his lack of > new songs. If "San Simeon" lyric was written along with IEDHAH lyric, as > claimed by BF, when did he loose this treasure trove? Which airline lost > it? And where is the case today - in somebody's attic, in the unclaimed > baggage section, a land fill? Why would he check a bag of lyrics - it's > his > life's blood! > > My question is: How many readers believe the above tale? > > KBP > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:11:44 +0200 From: "michiel" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's career path Everytime Ferry is about to hand in his new material, it either gets stolen, the trains are on strike, his plane gets hijacked, his son hijacks the House of Commons, the bridge is open, divorce, corporate gig... I4m getting tired of his excuses. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KB Porter" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 3:51 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry's career path > "Take San Simeon, for example. Lyrics retrieved from thirty years > previous." > > > This reminds me, I have always wondered at the validity of Mr. Ferry's > claim > about losing a suitcase of lyrics as a contributing factor for his lack of > new songs. If "San Simeon" lyric was written along with IEDHAH lyric, as > claimed by BF, when did he loose this treasure trove? Which airline lost > it? And where is the case today - in somebody's attic, in the unclaimed > baggage section, a land fill? Why would he check a bag of lyrics - it's > his > life's blood! > > My question is: How many readers believe the above tale? > > KBP > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:22:32 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's career path In a message dated 20/09/2006 14:49:05 GMT Standard Time, robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk writes: And wondering how many new songs he's written recently. Its a reasonable thing to wonder about. Isnt it? Is he still writing? Take your point on unreleased stuff - but as much as we all love him you cant pretend Taxi, Mamouna, ATGB and Frantic is much of an output in 20 years. I have it on very good authority that he is still writing. As to output, it depends on the context. I'm sure Kate Bush fans wished she worked as hard as Ferry in terms of officially released material. J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:23:36 +0100 From: "Bryan" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry's career path I've been among the first to criticise BF for his lack of output, and no doubt there are people on this list who wouldn't give me the time of day because of my opinions. For my part I've never criticised the quality - just the lack of output and, I'm sure if people were being truthful, that is a frustration we all share. '72 'til '75 was fantastic, Roxy, Ferry, AM, Manzo, Eno et al all brought new goodies to the sweet shop. My frustration is over the past 20 years output has been so limited - I'm just greedy for more excitement!!! Bryan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:28:03 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's career path In a message dated 20/09/2006 14:52:54 GMT Standard Time, kbporter@verizon.net writes: This reminds me, I have always wondered at the validity of Mr. Ferry's claim about losing a suitcase of lyrics as a contributing factor for his lack of new songs. If "San Simeon" lyric was written along with IEDHAH lyric, as claimed by BF, when did he loose this treasure trove? Which airline lost it? And where is the case today - in somebody's attic, in the unclaimed baggage section, a land fill? Why would he check a bag of lyrics - it's his life's blood! My question is: How many readers believe the above tale? KBP A small battered case in the corner of the loft in one of Ferry's many homes containing scribbled notes and unfinished lyrics, discovered during a clear out or a move... Yes I totally believe that story. It's kind of thing that happens all the time. J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:05:22 +0200 From: "michiel" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's career path And usually these long lost treasures tend to be a disappointment, when we see first drafts such as Slave to Drugs, or True to Wife, Is your stuff long enough or Oh my money. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's career path > In a message dated 20/09/2006 14:52:54 GMT Standard Time, > kbporter@verizon.net writes: > > > This reminds me, I have always wondered at the validity of Mr. Ferry's > claim > about losing a suitcase of lyrics as a contributing factor for his lack > of > new songs. If "San Simeon" lyric was written along with IEDHAH lyric, as > claimed by BF, when did he loose this treasure trove? Which airline lost > it? And where is the case today - in somebody's attic, in the unclaimed > baggage section, a land fill? Why would he check a bag of lyrics - it's > his > life's blood! > > My question is: How many readers believe the above tale? > > KBP > > > > A small battered case in the corner of the loft in one of Ferry's many > homes > containing scribbled notes and unfinished lyrics, discovered during a > clear > out or a move... > > Yes I totally believe that story. It's kind of thing that happens all the > time. > > J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:16:25 -0400 From: "krnchse" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry's career path-what kind of genius is he? required reading................. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.07/genius.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:29:49 -0400 From: "KB Porter" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry's career path-what kind of genius is he? Nice article. Given the 'nature of genius' as iterated by Dorthea Brande. Galenson's migration from a binary view of genius toward a continuum is logical. An example; Newton - bloody hell of a genius all through out his life. Back to Brande's supposition: Creative genius exists within every individual, the ability to 'tap into it' is something that may be cultivated by any individual: Stifled genius nor 'writer's block' need not happen since one may readily access their own genius by creating an appropriate mindset conducive for the expression of ones genius. Call it 'experimental' or 'conceptual' genius, it really is all from the same fountain - the outcome is merely produced via a different process. Ferry's a genius - he's only blocked. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:58:08 +0100 From: Stephen Thrower Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's career path KWil632057@aol.com said of 'Mamouna' contra 'Horoscope': Yep, miles better. A fantastically icy journey through meticulously created soundscapes. Superb. Totally agree. I only heard 'Horoscope' recently and I was very interested to discover that all of my favorite 'Mamouna' tracks bar one ('The Only Face') were recorded *after* Ferry had 'turned the canvas to the wall' - 'Don't Want To Know', 'Your Painted Smile', 'Which Way To Turn' and 'Chain Reaction'. Plus, the 'Mamouna' version of 'The Only Face' - one of the bleakest yet most beautifully designed in Ferry's catalogue - came on leaps and bounds from the inappropriately 'drummed-up' older version. Frankly, the tracks that didn't make it onto 'Mamouna' from 'Horoscope' sound a little MOR in comparison to the newer tracks, whereas the late arrivals do have a wonderful 'icy' quality that helps make it Ferry's best solo album. Whereas, with the journey from 'Alphaville' to'Frantic' we lost three absolute masterpieces: Love War, Alphaville and This Love. These songs are just brilliant and should surely appear on any future Ferry boxset as additional unreleased tracks. I can guess why they were dropped - with his personal life having taken a new course, perhaps the bleakness and bitterness of the lyrics reopened old wounds too much - but they're brilliant songs. Alphaville has been' slipping round in my brain' for weeks now... Instead, we got 'Goodnight Irene' and 'Goin' Down', two disposable 'roots' recordings that would have been better off given to a Jools Holland compilation. Steve ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:53:51 -0400 From: johnobrien001@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] This Love -----Original Message----- From: stevesimon@blueyonder.co.uk To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10.58AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's career path <>> You will find that This Love was released by Bryan Ferry in 2000. http://moo.vivaroxymusic.com/933 J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:35:19 +0200 (CEST) From: robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk Subject: RE: [AVALON]M&S/other junk & Carrer Path Albeit that we havent all agreed (it would be boring of we did) I've enjoyed having a good thread on here! by the way on that stuff about what type of genuis - presumably you arent the same for life as Ferry started out able to write FYP in weeks..... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V11 #214 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest