From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V11 #176 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, July 29 2006 Volume 11 : Number 176 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Frantic covers/ reviews (was Dock Rock- an afterthought) [KW] Re: [AVALON] Frantic covers/ reviews (was Dock Rock- an afterthought) [C] Re: [AVALON] Frantic covers/ reviews (was Dock Rock- an afterthought) [K] Re: [AVALON] Frantic covers/ reviews (was Dock Rock- an afterthought) [] Re: [AVALON] Frantic covers/ reviews (was Dock Rock- an afterthought) [J] [AVALON] Roxy check out of hotel deal [Chris Turner Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic covers/ reviews (was Dock Rock- an afterthought) Perhaps it was popular because it "...sounds a bit 'pub rock'..." Chris :-> - --- KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > Given the amount of sub standard covers (and shoddy material in general) I > wonder why the album recieved such glowing and positive reviews? Looking back > it was critically very warmly recieved at the time. > > J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:54:59 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic covers/ reviews (was Dock Rock- an afterthought) In a message dated 28/07/2006 13:22:50 GMT Daylight Time, roxyrama@yahoo.co.uk writes: Perhaps it was popular because it "...sounds a bit 'pub rock'..." Chris :-> Maybe they just liked the cover art? J n/p Bryan Ferry sings Chas N' Dave. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:31:12 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Turner Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic covers/ reviews (was Dock Rock- an afterthought) I hardly think so. It's ghastly. Chris > > Maybe they just liked the cover art? > > J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:04:54 EDT From: JohnOBrien001@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic covers/ reviews (was Dock Rock- an afterthought) In a message dated 28/07/2006 13:56:55 GMT Standard Time, KWil632057@aol.com writes: Maybe they just liked the cover art? J I thought that artwork wasn't the real cover? J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:41:39 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Turner Subject: [AVALON] Roxy check out of hotel deal The word is that Roxy are now denying the Malmaison story from Monday's Times, despite the directly attributed quotes from Steven Howard. Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:01:40 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy check out of hotel deal In a message dated 28/07/2006 15:55:17 GMT Daylight Time, roxyrama@yahoo.co.uk writes: The word is that Roxy are now denying the Malmaison story from Monday's Times, despite the directly attributed quotes from Steven Howard. Or maybe, as with the whole Eno business, they weren't ready to announce the news. I think they need to appoint an effective PR before anyone else jumps the gun! J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:29:53 +0200 From: "mvsleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy check out of hotel deal I agree. They probably thought they could get away with it unnoticed. Michiel - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy check out of hotel deal > In a message dated 28/07/2006 15:55:17 GMT Daylight Time, > roxyrama@yahoo.co.uk writes: > > The word is that Roxy are now denying the Malmaison story from Monday's > Times, despite the > directly attributed quotes from Steven Howard. > > > > > Or maybe, as with the whole Eno business, they weren't ready to announce > the > news. I think they need to appoint an effective PR before anyone else > jumps > the gun! > > J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:08:51 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy check out of hotel deal It's my understanding that there are those in the Roxy camp who would rather that the fans and public at large had no knowledge that new material was on the way. Adds the horrible weight of expectation I suppose... J In a message dated 28/07/2006 16:34:59 GMT Daylight Time, mvsleen@hotmail.com writes: I agree. They probably thought they could get away with it unnoticed. Michiel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:44:41 +0200 (CEST) From: robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxys Business Affairs (and Ferrys) Re this Malmaison thing This wont make me popular I guess but here goes I have long thought that on occasions Ferrys management, promotion and some of the people he has had around him are of a far lower quality than most of his music. Jim Lawn to name but one, who ran an information service which, on a scale of 0-10 I would rate at about minus 1, then he had major fallings out around Bete Noire time with his manager, and some of the promotion efforts have seemed strange to say the least. Then we have daft b sides like "Which way to turn" on the Baby Blue CD single - LAZY LAZY LAZY. And appalling standards of merchandising. And the same covers on different records (GOMBF on Mamouna, Right Stuff on Frantic). LAZY LAZY LAZY. Its about time Ferry realised that he's probably wealthy and cool enough to employ high quality management. And also that most fans likely to give a monkeys chunky about a new Roxy Album couldnt give a F**k about what contract arrangements are in place around a remix album. Ferrys talent, and Roxys name, deserve better than amateurish management. And so do their fans. And before anyone points out the obvious, I dont know the circumstances of the hotel thing. I am not basing these observations purely on this very odd incident. GRRRR Cheers Rob ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:12:36 -0400 From: "krnchse" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxys Business Affairs (and Ferrys) Although this is now somewhat dated,I thought it provoked some thought and insight about EG and management style.Maybe some artists are too controlling to be effectively managed / manipulated / helped? http://www.growingbusiness.co.uk/David_Enthoven_and_Tim_Clark_ie_music.YXZamM5oF2HDRg.html - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxys Business Affairs (and Ferrys) > Re this Malmaison thing > This wont make me popular I guess but here goes > I have long thought that on occasions Ferrys management, promotion and some of the people he has had around him are of a far lower quality than most of his music. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:25:20 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxys Business Affairs (and Ferrys) Good posts Rob and Jon. Enthoven was a fabulous manager and understood the Ferry zeitgist. Lawn was an amateur and a crook. Puxley, Price and de Ville were inner sanctum, pals, and key strategisers, but are either no longer with us or have left him to his own devices. The Ferry brand lives on, but not as the genius that most Avalonians revere, but as the coolest Englishman for many generations. Anyone who's worked with him knows he's difficult; he knows he's difficult! He doesn't have a rapport with his fans, and he's wary of fans offering him help. He's knocked out by the quality of the unoficcial websites but shows little interest in using this medium to connect with his fan base. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk Sent: 28 July 2006 17:45 To: KWil632057@aol.com; avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxys Business Affairs (and Ferrys) Re this Malmaison thing This wont make me popular I guess but here goes I have long thought that on occasions Ferrys management, promotion and some of the people he has had around him are of a far lower quality than most of his music. Jim Lawn to name but one, who ran an information service which, on a scale of 0-10 I would rate at about minus 1, then he had major fallings out around Bete Noire time with his manager, and some of the promotion efforts have seemed strange to say the least. Then we have daft b sides like "Which way to turn" on the Baby Blue CD single - LAZY LAZY LAZY. And appalling standards of merchandising. And the same covers on different records (GOMBF on Mamouna, Right Stuff on Frantic). LAZY LAZY LAZY. Its about time Ferry realised that he's probably wealthy and cool enough to employ high quality management. And also that most fans likely to give a monkeys chunky about a new Roxy Album couldnt give a F**k about what contract arrangements are in place around a remix album. Ferrys talent, and Roxys name, deserve better than amateurish management. And so do their fans. And before anyone points out the obvious, I dont know the circumstances of the hotel thing. I am not basing these observations purely on this very odd incident. GRRRR Cheers Rob ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:37:22 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dock Rock- an afterthought FYP is Bryan's favourite album, so I guess he gets a lot of inspiration from it and the memories that go with it. I'm not surprised by the tracks from that included in the gig. I hope we do get something inspired on the new album. I wasn't stuck on San Simeon, but Dreamhome is great. I love Country Life and Stranded, and am hoping for something in that kind of ilk for the new album. I just hope that they 'sound' like Roxy on the new album and it's not a totally new style. If that makes sense??? > Now you can shoot me down in flames for being an optimist if you like, >but I noticed that the set-list included quite a lot of tracks from FYP >(including 'Pyjamarama' from the same era). This, together with the fact >that BF used an old fragment of discarded lyrics from In every dreamhome >in San Simeon on Frantic, made me think that either he looks back on FYP >as being particularly good or that he realises it's the sort of thing >we'd like to hear. Either way, my optimism has led me to believe that >maybe we might get something interesting on the new album. > >Mactheaxe ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:35:31 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxys Business Affairs (and Ferrys) In a message dated 28/07/2006 17:45:10 GMT Daylight Time, robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk writes: Its about time Ferry realised that he's probably wealthy and cool enough to employ high quality management. Probably not. The fact that he is taking on modeling contracts (Burberry/M&S), high earning corporate gigs and, I notice, another best of (ok, anthology!), along with more reissues, indicates he is happy earning money for old rope. He's just gone through an allegedly expensive divorce and I doubt his royalties amount to anywhere near as high as we might expect. In short, I doubt that Ferry is anywhere near as minted as the Davids, Micks or even the Noels (Gallagher and Edmonds) of this world. The remix album sounds interesting but i suspect it will be seen more as a promo tool for the new album to try and get the kids on board in time for the new lp. Funny you should mention the appalling merchandising that is hawked at the gigs. A while ago I suggested exclusive Antony Price T-shirts (mens and womens) - perhaps for order at the show for delivery at a later date. Fab idea and much more in keeping with what the classy, stylish Roxy fan wants. Far more desirable than the vomit inducing tiny 'Let's Stick Together' tops seemingly designed to make little girls more desirable to paedos. J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:28:10 +0200 (CEST) From: robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxys Business Affairs (and Ferrys) The thing is Martin if he had really good people around him they could take a sensible,adult, informed decision on who might be a fan, amateur and crook, and who is a total fan who would never turn him over and put in effort above and beyond anything that could be expected over a long period. Indeed is he so removed from reality that he couldnt judge this for himself? Who gave Jim Lawn a job? Under what governance structure did he operate? Who performance managed his activities? Did anyone really care? Who sacked him? Why are the unofficial sites, which as you say are of excellent quality, not more publically recognised? These arent a flash in the pan. Has Ferry actually seen these sites ? I believe Ferry cares what his fans think - I could see the delight (PRIDE?) on his face at Docklands - but think he could do with talking to some of them directly on occasions. Especially people who put time and effort into running websites and dedicate large parts of their own valuable time to supporting his efforts. Bypass the middlemen, no need to have the message managed. Cheers Rob > Message Received: Jul 28 2006, 06:38 PM > From: "Martin Stockman" > To: robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk, KWil632057@aol.com, avalon@smoe.org > Cc: > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxys Business Affairs (and Ferrys) > > Good posts Rob and Jon. Enthoven was a fabulous manager and understood the > Ferry zeitgist. Lawn was an amateur and a crook. Puxley, Price and de Ville > were inner sanctum, pals, and key strategisers, but are either no longer > with us or have left him to his own devices. The Ferry brand lives on, but > not as the genius that most Avalonians revere, but as the coolest Englishman > for many generations. Anyone who's worked with him knows he's difficult; he > knows he's difficult! He doesn't have a rapport with his fans, and he's wary > of fans offering him help. He's knocked out by the quality of the unoficcial > websites but shows little interest in using this medium to connect with his > fan base. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V11 #176 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest