From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V11 #168 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, July 21 2006 Volume 11 : Number 168 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] The cover art for the Rogues Gallery cd. (out 21st August) [KWil] RE: [AVALON] Re-make/Re-master Quelle horreur ["KB Porter" ] RE: [AVALON] Lost for Words? [robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk] [AVALON] Ferry for Burberry in Vanity Fair [philip77@tiscali.co.uk] RE: [AVALON] Ferry for Burberry in Vanity Fair ["Martin Stockman" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:52:51 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] The cover art for the Rogues Gallery cd. (out 21st August) _http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/B000GLKMR4/ref=dp_image_text_0/026- 1484888-6059641?ie=UTF8_ (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/B000GLKMR4/ref=dp_image_text_0/026-1484888-6059641?ie=UTF8) J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:13:04 -0400 From: "KB Porter" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re-make/Re-master Quelle horreur Jocelyn wrote: "I'm quite surprised no one has voiced their horror at the fact that on Leo Abrahams' Blog he says he's been asked to remix or sound layer or what ever the hell it is he does with that devil's box of his, tracks from the 90's for the new Roxy album." The blog didn't offer much to get excited about. By now many of us are copping with 'shell-shock', bombarded with years of remix remake remodel remaster redux reflux we cling to a dying hope that something new will provide rescue. My thought as to what Leo Abrahams may have 'de-pubbed' went straight to pieces from "Horoscope", maybe "Midnight Train", "Your Love Has Died" or "Blinded By The Life". I believe Mr. Ferry ravaged "Love War" when he inserted the 'flowers in the rain' verse into the dodgy commercial release of "Fool For Love". Should "Love War" appear on an official release with already published verse it will be a travesty of monumental proportion. That, is the horror I dread most. On a brighter note, the repetition of lyrics means we older failing types don't need to worry about learning anything new. Twisted-up inside. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:26:00 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-make/Re-master Quelle horreur In a message dated 20/07/2006 13:15:41 GMT Daylight Time, kbporter@verizon.net writes: I believe Mr. Ferry ravaged "Love War" when he inserted the 'flowers in the rain' verse into the dodgy commercial release of "Fool For Love". Should "Love War" appear on an official release with already published verse it will be a travesty of monumental proportion. That, is the horror I dread most. The horror I dread most most (in Roxy terms) is that it might be crap. I'm sure the flowers in the rain part will be rewritten if the track does get used at all. J np Modern Talking 'Romantic Warriors' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:39:39 -0400 From: David Neuhaus Subject: Re: [AVALON] The cover art for the Rogues Gallery cd. (out 21st August) A great image choice for the cover of Rogue's Gallery! The illustration, titled Marooned, was done by Howard Pyle in 1909. I recently saw the original painting at the Delaware Art Museum in Wilmington, Delaware. The following is clipped from the Del. Art Museum web site: > Marooning was the practice of abandoning a captive or a mutinous pirate who > violated the conventional code of conduct for pirates. Aspects that were > governed by the code included the cleanliness of weapons, the distribution of > treasure, gambling, fighting and desertion. > > The 3supreme moment2 captured in this painting is one in which the marooned > pirate faces his sense of hopelessness and despair. The sun9s bright, hot > light on the parched, arid island sands foretell great difficulty in procuring > fruits, vegetables and drinking water. The pirate9s frustration and sense of > remorse is dramatically presented through his pose and demeanor. Here's a link with the full content: http://www.delart.org/damdocent/pylepirates.html#marooned Dave N. On 7/20/06 7:52 AM, "KWil632057@aol.com" wrote: > _http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/B000GLKMR4/ref=dp_image_text_0/026- > 1484888-6059641?ie=UTF8_ > (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/B000GLKMR4/ref=dp_image_text_0/026- > 1484888-6059641?ie=UTF8) > > J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:25:52 +0200 (CEST) From: robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk Subject: RE: [AVALON] HoroVille/Alphascope Re KBPs comments I agree. These tracks though are too good not to be used. You Can Dance must be a good bet for using old material - great lyric, especially if you can decipher it. Does anyone on this list know if Roxy have actually written new material for this album? Love War would still work without the flowers in the rain part, which sounded as "inserted" on that as it did on FFL. As a boring aside my wife hates Love War despite being a Ferry fan. "Sounds like Duran Duran". Hmmmmnn. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:56:15 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-make/Re-master Quelle horreur J goes from Munster to The Munsters in a single post: > I'm quite surprised no one has voiced their horror ... tracks from the > 90's for the new Roxy album. I don't think he specifically mentioned that it was Ferry solo material being reworked for the Roxy album, did he ? Anyway, perhaps naively, I read into this that the reworking would be of so radical a nature that none of us could expect to recognise the source material (even if we had heard it before). > (please God no) Bob Dylan and John Lennon covers. Ah now, see THAT'S my particular horror, right there ! Please please please please NO MORE COVERS !!!!! Regards, Ivor n.p. John Renbourn Group 'A Maid In Beldam' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:10:11 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-make/Re-master Quelle horreur In a message dated 20/07/2006 16:00:10 GMT Daylight Time, ivorcanning@freeola.net writes: Ah now, see THAT'S my particular horror, right there ! Please please please please NO MORE COVERS !!!!! I like the covers. Siren is my favourite and besides won't the cd get dirty otherwise? J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:27:25 -0400 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-make/Re-master Quelle horreur >I don't think he specifically mentioned that it was Ferry solo material being reworked for the Roxy album, did he ? No, but he did say it was stuff from the '90's so I assumed as Avalon was the last RM album out in '82, the only 90's material was Mamuouna era and post Mamouna stuff that didn't make the cut - and every bleedin' BD and JL song he could remember outside of his brief sojourn with Sondheim. It could, of course, be Phil or Andy stuff. Maybe that was why F was delighted when Leo took all the instrumentation off and started again!! >Anyway, perhaps naively, I read into this that the reworking would be of so radical a nature that none of us could expect to recognise the source material (even if we had heard it before). True, but I think we'd still recognise the lyrics (if they weren't the mad mumbling versions) and I'd much rather hear something completely new in every way. But we could wait forever these days as Ferry has oft mentioned his block, not particularly with soundscapes or melodies, but with lyrics. Which could bring us onto a new thread. Also, I doubt very much that they would manange to put a whole new album together without old reworked material (they say 17 tracks recorded now, but how many completely original?) >Please please please please NO MORE COVERS !!!!! But won't the CDs get scratched? (Arf! Arf! You reap what you sow Ive) Jocelyn Now Still Not Playing: What I bought in Ireland. Where do you find the time Ivor? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:50:56 -0400 From: jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Lost for Words? I remember when I first started visited here there were hours of (mindless) fun analysing Ferry's lyrics to the nth degree, which begs the question, are there any later day lyrics that the panel feel stand up to fineness of his earlier oeuvres? Next question. If in the unlikely event of F's lyrical well running dry, who would you elect to help him write the wordy bits? An Amis? A Self? A J.K. Rowling? And finally, if it was good enough for lick'n'stick impressario one D Bowie to invite his fans on Bowienet to write the lyrics for one of his songs, should we give the old duffer F a hand and start th eball rolling here? Don't be shy, who'll start us off with the first line and we can add the next, Factory like, and pass it on until we have a complete song. And let's aim to outstrip the million lost versions of Mother of Pearl. J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:30:55 EDT From: LeeSullivanart@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lost for Words? In a message dated 20/07/2006 16:57:36 GMT Standard Time, jocelynfiske@aol.com writes: Don't be shy, who'll start us off with the first line and we can add the next, Factory like, and pass it on until we have a complete song. And let's aim to outstrip the million lost versions of Mother of Pearl. How about first verse: 'I tried but I could not find a way Solo careers stall and simply fade away Next time is the best time we all know Assemble Roxy and then to the bank we'll go' :) :) :) Happy big birthday on Sunday, Mr Mackay! Lee S ____________________________________________ Easily distracted? Displacement activity a problem? Me too. Going to: _www.leesullivan.co.uk_ (http://www.leesullivan.co.uk/) or _www.roxymagic.co.uk_ (http://www.roxymagic.co.uk/) won't help either. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:35:37 +0200 (CEST) From: robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk Subject: RE: [AVALON] Lost for Words? "I thought" has a good lryic So does "True to Life" if we count that as new! He might get some lyrics from ones people have misheard When I first heard the The Right Stuff on the radio i thought it said "The Sun and the Moon are light for me " Which reminds me, the Right Stuff has some great lines "Send me the woman on bended knee" especially appeals I'm afraid. "don;t want to dwell in history" "I know you inside me, like poison, like wine", > Message Received: Jul 20 2006, 04:58 PM > From: jocelynfiske@aol.com > To: Avalon@smoe.org > Cc: > Subject: [AVALON] Lost for Words? > > I remember when I first started visited here there were hours of (mindless) fun analysing Ferry's lyrics to the nth degree, which begs the question, are there any later day lyrics that the panel feel stand up to fineness of his earlier oeuvres? > > Next question. If in the unlikely event of F's lyrical well running dry, who would you elect to help him write the wordy bits? An Amis? A Self? A J.K. Rowling? > > And finally, if it was good enough for lick'n'stick impressario one D Bowie to invite his fans on Bowienet to write the lyrics for one of his songs, should we give the old duffer F a hand and start th eball rolling here? > > Don't be shy, who'll start us off with the first line and we can add the next, Factory like, and pass it on until we have a complete song. And let's aim to outstrip the million lost versions of Mother of Pearl. > > J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:07:01 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lost for Words? n a message dated 20/07/2006 16:57:36 GMT Standard Time, jocelynfiske@aol.com writes: Don't be shy, who'll start us off with the first line and we can add the next, It will be an exquisite corpse then? "I was working in the lab late last night........." Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:33:16 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-make/Re-master Quelle horreur Don't forget several tunes on FYP were left over from the first album and how old was Running Wild when it appeared - Dance Away was from at least the Bride era and I am sure there are loads more BUT MAYBE - they did some SECRET work together in the 90s - just to see what it was like The stuff could of course be Andy's or Phil's - maybe keeping James Wraith's vocals was the idea. and no covers please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! of any sort. Cheers Richard On Thursday, July 20, 2006, at 04:27 PM, jocelynfiske@aol.com wrote: >> I don't think he specifically mentioned that it was Ferry solo >> material being reworked for the Roxy album, did he ? > > No, but he did say it was stuff from the '90's so I assumed as Avalon > was the last RM album out in '82, the only 90's material was Mamuouna > era and post Mamouna stuff that didn't make the cut - and every > bleedin' BD and JL song he could remember outside of his brief sojourn > with Sondheim. > It could, of course, be Phil or Andy stuff. Maybe that was why F was > delighted when Leo took all the instrumentation off and started > again!! > >> Anyway, perhaps naively, I read into this that the reworking would be >> of so radical a nature that none of us could expect to recognise the >> source material (even if we had heard it before). > > True, but I think we'd still recognise the lyrics (if they weren't the > mad mumbling versions) and I'd much rather hear something completely > new in every way. But we could wait forever these days as Ferry has > oft mentioned his block, not particularly with soundscapes or > melodies, but with lyrics. Which could bring us onto a new thread. > Also, I doubt very much that they would manange to put a whole new > album together without old reworked material (they say 17 tracks > recorded now, but how many completely original?) > >> Please please please please NO MORE COVERS !!!!! > > But won't the CDs get scratched? (Arf! Arf! You reap what you sow Ive) > > Jocelyn > Now Still Not Playing: What I bought in Ireland. Where do you find the > time Ivor? > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > ____ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:55:02 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-make/Re-master Quelle horreur Jocelyn loses her Marples: > the only 90's material was Mamuouna era and post Mamouna stuff that didn't > make the cut Yeahbutnobutyeahbutnobut, all I was trying to say ... right ... was that Leo didn't say it was necessarily being reworked as ROXY material for the current album - y'see ? It could just be going back into the cellar for yet another ten years' maturation. >>Please please please please NO MORE COVERS !!!!! > > But won't the CDs get scratched? (Arf! Arf! You reap what you sow Ive) Oh, give me strength ... and people ask me why I hardly post anymore ??!? S;^) > Now Still Not Playing: What I bought in Ireland. Where do you find the > time Ivor? Who said 'working from home' ? Regards, Ivor n.p. Horslips 'The Tain' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:16:33 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lost for Words? Jocelyn gets round the camp fire, > Don't be shy, who'll start us off with the first line and we can add the > next, Factory like, and pass it on until we have a complete song. And > let's aim to outstrip the million lost versions of Mother of Pearl. When I plugged in my 'Ferry-o-matic Lyricon' (pat. pending) automated lyric generator, it suggested the following: "Chained and bound By the willow tree This dream romance A strange ennui" Hardly likely though is it, eh ? S8^)) Regards, Ivor n.p. Still Horslips 'The Tain' ... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:17:38 +0200 (CEST) From: robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk Subject: RE: [AVALON] Lost for Words? I tried butI could not find a way Looking back all I did was locked away The next line is the best line we all know But if there is no next line where to go......................................................... Drugs, Death, Suicide, Lost Love..............................you'd think he'd never run out of things to say on those subjects!! > Message Received: Jul 20 2006, 04:58 PM > From: jocelynfiske@aol.com > To: Avalon@smoe.org > Cc: > Subject: [AVALON] Lost for Words? > > I remember when I first started visited here there were hours of (mindless) fun analysing Ferry's lyrics to the nth degree, which begs the question, are there any later day lyrics that the panel feel stand up to fineness of his earlier oeuvres? > > Next question. If in the unlikely event of F's lyrical well running dry, who would you elect to help him write the wordy bits? An Amis? A Self? A J.K. Rowling? > > And finally, if it was good enough for lick'n'stick impressario one D Bowie to invite his fans on Bowienet to write the lyrics for one of his songs, should we give the old duffer F a hand and start th eball rolling here? > > Don't be shy, who'll start us off with the first line and we can add the next, Factory like, and pass it on until we have a complete song. And let's aim to outstrip the million lost versions of Mother of Pearl. > > J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:44:48 +0100 From: philip77@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] Ferry for Burberry in Vanity Fair Himself and Otis , Isaac? plus (I'm told ) Kate Moss posing for Burberry on the inside gatefold cover of the August edition of Vanity Fair (UK). Interesting..... Philip ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:31:07 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry for Burberry in Vanity Fair Very interesting. From nobs to yobs .. and back again? Only the cool ruler could attempt to repair this molested brand. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of philip77@tiscali.co.uk Sent: 20 July 2006 21:45 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Ferry for Burberry in Vanity Fair Himself and Otis , Isaac? plus (I'm told ) Kate Moss posing for Burberry on the inside gatefold cover of the August edition of Vanity Fair (UK). Interesting..... Philip ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:54:35 +0100 From: philip77@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] You Tube A clip of Ferry, Van Morrison and Lonnie Donnegan( I think ) doing Midnight Special on Jools NYE BBC show has been posted on You Tube. No time now to find the link .Just scroll down after searching Ferry. Philip ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:51:16 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: RE: [AVALON] dock rock So anyone meeting up tomorrow? Reecey, you going? Tracy xx ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V11 #168 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest