From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V11 #165 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, July 18 2006 Volume 11 : Number 165 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Leo Abrahams rocks [Chandla911@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Solo Artist [robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk] RE: [AVALON] Solo Artist ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] Solo Artist [robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk] Re: [AVALON] Leo Abrahams rocks ["Ivor Canning" ] [AVALON] E? Sorted... [Chandla911@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:13:45 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Leo Abrahams rocks Leo Abrahams kills me. Although it's Guy Pratt really. But Leo's MySpace blog is always worth a looksee: Extract: In Brussels, having just played the Werchter festival with Roxy Music. It's the third date of the tour and Im having a great time, revelling in the intricacies of the songs and my science-experiment setup. There were only 2 proper rehearsal days with the whole band. Previous to that everyone had been rehearsed separately. That was very strange, and the only analogy I can think of is an omlette. Imagine cooking all the ingredients on their own frying the eggs, melting the cheese, boiling the milk then throwing it all on a plate. I don't know what you'd call it but it wouldn't be an omlette. Getting a band together is a bit like that, but by now things have congealed properly. Sometimes Bryan will suggest a few refinements after the show (he gives incredible attention to detail) and that is always helpful. I've never really toured at this level before, where it's flights every day instead of the tourbus and my stage clothes go in a flightcased wardrobe to be ironed and presented to me minutes before stagetime. It feels grown-up. On bass is Guy Pratt, a great player and very funny man (he has his own standup show). In catering the other day the waitress asked to see his meal ticket. He pointed to Bryan and said, "There he is!" ... Luckily this month I've had some very rewarding sessions. One was with Bryan Ferry, adding swathes of texture and melody to some great band tracks that had been recorded in the 90s. One of them he was dissatisfied with because it sounded a bit 'pub rock'; I asked him to remove all the instruments leaving just the vocal, under which I made a new backdrop of sinister static loops. He seemed to love it, so hopefully that will see the light of day. I also had a week in Belfast with David Holmes working on his new record after a long break. It's really coming together now and features some beautiful emotional things alongside the more driving stuff. As with Eno, the relationship with David as a collaborator gets better and better, as a little code of communication develops and understanding deepens. And I certainly don't have to worry about whether I'm throwing enough shapes. Best wishes Richard Mills n/p Like Running Away - Brian Eno (live at Royal Academy July 8, 2006) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:36:29 +0200 (CEST) From: robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk Subject: RE: [AVALON] Solo Artist Absolutely typical of the ignorance of some writers on Ferrys career. Sure Roxy have a dynamic that Ferry on his own does not, but, and I know I am in a minority of one on this list, at its very best his solo work was better than Roxy Music ever was. Windswept, Sign of the Times, The Right Stuff, I Thought, - don;t tell me these wouldnt be "revered" as Roxy Classics had they recorded them. Shame that the self doubt of working solo plauged him. To me the Horoscope and Alphaville stuff was as better than what was eventually released - shouls have just got on with it and maybe being in a band would have made him do just that. Cheers Rob (going to Rock the Dock) > Message Received: Jul 12 2006, 11:13 PM > From: "Bruce MacQueen" > To: "avalon@smoe.org" > Cc: > Subject: [AVALON] Solo Artist > > MSN has short article listing lead singers that went on to solo success > and others that didn't. > Bryan made the "other list". > > Below is the link and the excised text. > > > http://music.msn.com/music/artistofthemonth/gosolo2 > > Bryan Ferry > The debonair front man of legendary British proto-glam rockers Roxy > Music began making solo albums while his band > was still very much a going concern. Unfortunately, he just kept on > making them, despite band mate resentment, critical scorn and general > public indifference (with one or two notable exceptions). But where Roxy > were fierce, stylish revolutionaries who breathed new life into the > tired corpse of early-to-mid '70s rock, Ferry albums were curiously > un-daring, offering ironic covers (his boogie band treatment of Dylan > 's "A Hard Rain's A Gonna Fall > " is representative, but his > version of John Lennon's "Jealous Guy," issued shortly after Lennon's > murder, was a minor hit), the requisite stab at standards (the "As Time > Goes By " LP) and a lot of songs > that simply weren't as good as the material he brought to Roxy Music. No > wonder then, that the band has weathered line-up changes and break-ups, > only to reunite time and time again. > > Best Regards, > Bruce > > -- > "What's so funny 'bout peace, love & understanding?" Nick Lowe > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:08:03 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Solo Artist Dear Rob You are not alone. I never got tired of seeing Bryan solo but I am truly weary, and wary, about seeing Roxy play the same set for the umpteenth year running. Can the present same old same old tour compare with the vibrancy of Bete Noire, Mamouna or ATGB. Yes, its nice to see Prairie Rose again, but does it compare with seeing / hearing Boys and Girls on the Frantic tour? I think not. Or the iconaclasic Trower / Williams guitar work in 94/5? It's a charade - a pleasant charade - but without new numbers this is corporate rock. The cognoscenti still crowd the footlights but more to meet one another than in hope of witnessing anything new. Pip pip Martino - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk Sent: 17 July 2006 17:36 To: Bruce MacQueen; avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Solo Artist Absolutely typical of the ignorance of some writers on Ferrys career. Sure Roxy have a dynamic that Ferry on his own does not, but, and I know I am in a minority of one on this list, at its very best his solo work was better than Roxy Music ever was. Windswept, Sign of the Times, The Right Stuff, I Thought, - don;t tell me these wouldnt be "revered" as Roxy Classics had they recorded them. Shame that the self doubt of working solo plauged him. To me the Horoscope and Alphaville stuff was as better than what was eventually released - shouls have just got on with it and maybe being in a band would have made him do just that. Cheers Rob (going to Rock the Dock) > Message Received: Jul 12 2006, 11:13 PM > From: "Bruce MacQueen" > To: "avalon@smoe.org" > Cc: > Subject: [AVALON] Solo Artist > > MSN has short article listing lead singers that went on to solo success > and others that didn't. > Bryan made the "other list". > > Below is the link and the excised text. > > > http://music.msn.com/music/artistofthemonth/gosolo2 > > Bryan Ferry > The debonair front man of legendary British proto-glam rockers Roxy > Music began making solo albums while his band > was still very much a going concern. Unfortunately, he just kept on > making them, despite band mate resentment, critical scorn and general > public indifference (with one or two notable exceptions). But where Roxy > were fierce, stylish revolutionaries who breathed new life into the > tired corpse of early-to-mid '70s rock, Ferry albums were curiously > un-daring, offering ironic covers (his boogie band treatment of Dylan > 's "A Hard Rain's A Gonna Fall > " is representative, but his > version of John Lennon's "Jealous Guy," issued shortly after Lennon's > murder, was a minor hit), the requisite stab at standards (the "As Time > Goes By " LP) and a lot of songs > that simply weren't as good as the material he brought to Roxy Music. No > wonder then, that the band has weathered line-up changes and break-ups, > only to reunite time and time again. > > Best Regards, > Bruce > > -- > "What's so funny 'bout peace, love & understanding?" Nick Lowe > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:36:57 -0400 From: Bruce MacQueen Subject: Re: [AVALON] Solo Artist Dear Both: But if I were in EU, I would be there front and center!! None of us are getting any younger and Ferry et al are well heeled enough that they don't have to do this (I don't think). I'm off ot Dallas on Friday to see Ray Davies (for the 5th time this tour) for exactly that reason. I may hear the same set list, while hoping for "Sitting In My Hotel" or something esoteric, but more importantly it's freaking Ray Davies!! Same reason I'd go see Bryan and Roxy! Enjoy the Docks!! Best Regards, Bruce Martin Stockman wrote: >Dear Rob > >You are not alone. > >I never got tired of seeing Bryan solo but I am truly weary, and wary, about >seeing Roxy play the same set for the umpteenth year running. Can the >present same old same old tour compare with the vibrancy of Bete Noire, >Mamouna or ATGB. Yes, its nice to see Prairie Rose again, but does it >compare with seeing / hearing Boys and Girls on the Frantic tour? I think >not. Or the iconaclasic Trower / Williams guitar work in 94/5? > >It's a charade - a pleasant charade - but without new numbers this is >corporate rock. The cognoscenti still crowd the footlights but more to meet >one another than in hope of witnessing anything new. > >Pip pip >Martino > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of >robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk >Sent: 17 July 2006 17:36 >To: Bruce MacQueen; avalon@smoe.org >Subject: RE: [AVALON] Solo Artist > >Absolutely typical of the ignorance of some writers on Ferrys career. >Sure Roxy have a dynamic that Ferry on his own does not, but, and I know I >am in a minority of one on this list, at its very best his solo work was >better than Roxy Music ever was. >Windswept, Sign of the Times, The Right Stuff, I Thought, - don;t tell me >these wouldnt be "revered" as Roxy Classics had they recorded them. Shame >that the self doubt of working solo plauged him. To me the Horoscope and >Alphaville stuff was as better than what was eventually released - shouls >have just got on with it and maybe being in a band would have made him do >just that. >Cheers >Rob (going to Rock the Dock) > > > > > > > >>Message Received: Jul 12 2006, 11:13 PM >>From: "Bruce MacQueen" >>To: "avalon@smoe.org" >>Cc: >>Subject: [AVALON] Solo Artist >> >>MSN has short article listing lead singers that went on to solo success >>and others that didn't. >>Bryan made the "other list". >> >>Below is the link and the excised text. >> >> >>http://music.msn.com/music/artistofthemonth/gosolo2 >> >>Bryan Ferry >>The debonair front man of legendary British proto-glam rockers Roxy >>Music began making solo albums while his band >>was still very much a going concern. Unfortunately, he just kept on >>making them, despite band mate resentment, critical scorn and general >>public indifference (with one or two notable exceptions). But where Roxy >>were fierce, stylish revolutionaries who breathed new life into the >>tired corpse of early-to-mid '70s rock, Ferry albums were curiously >>un-daring, offering ironic covers (his boogie band treatment of Dylan >>'s "A Hard Rain's A Gonna Fall >>" is representative, but his >>version of John Lennon's "Jealous Guy," issued shortly after Lennon's >>murder, was a minor hit), the requisite stab at standards (the "As Time >>Goes By " LP) and a lot of songs >>that simply weren't as good as the material he brought to Roxy Music. No >>wonder then, that the band has weathered line-up changes and break-ups, >>only to reunite time and time again. >> >>Best Regards, >>Bruce >> >>-- >>"What's so funny 'bout peace, love & understanding?" Nick Lowe >> >> >> >> >> >___________________________________________________________________________ > > >>To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >> >> > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > - -- "What's so funny 'bout peace, love & understanding?" Nick Lowe ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:34:08 +0200 (CEST) From: robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk Subject: Re: [AVALON] Solo Artist Yes, there is no doubt that our rather constant exposure to these shows has dimmed the anticipation, and maybe we are just relatively lucky to be seeing him at all at 60 or whatever he is. so I'll be there, but like Martin, have my reservations, and not just in the Brittania..... Are they working on this new album still between concerts? Cheers Rob > Message Received: Jul 17 2006, 06:21 PM > From: "Bruce MacQueen" > To: "Martin Stockman" > Cc: robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk, avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Solo Artist > > Dear Both: > > But if I were in EU, I would be there front and center!! > None of us are getting any younger and Ferry et al are well heeled enough that they don't have to do this (I don't think). > I'm off ot Dallas on Friday to see Ray Davies (for the 5th time this tour) for exactly that reason. I may hear the same set list, while hoping for "Sitting In My Hotel" or something esoteric, but more importantly it's freaking Ray Davies!! Same reason I'd go see Bryan and Roxy! > Enjoy the Docks!! > > Best Regards, > Bruce > > > Martin Stockman wrote: > Dear Rob You are not alone. I never got tired of seeing Bryan solo but I am truly weary, and wary, about seeing Roxy play the same set for the umpteenth year running. Can the present same old same old tour compare with the vibrancy of Bete Noire, Mamouna or ATGB. Yes, its nice to see Prairie Rose again, but does it compare with seeing / hearing Boys and Girls on the Frantic tour? I think not. Or the iconaclasic Trower / Williams guitar work in 94/5? It's a charade - a pleasant charade - but without new numbers this is corporate rock. The cognoscenti still crowd the footlights but more to meet one another than in hope of witnessing anything new. Pip pip Martino - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk Sent: 17 July 2006 17:36 To: Bruce MacQueen; avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Solo Artist Absolutely typical of the ignorance of some writers on Ferrys career. Sure Roxy have a dynamic that Ferry on his own does not, but, and I know I am in a minority of one on this list, at its very best his solo work was better than Roxy Music ever was. Windswept, Sign of the Times, The Right Stuff, I Thought, - don;t tell me these wouldnt be "revered" as Roxy Classics had they recorded them. Shame that the self doubt of working solo plauged him. To me the Horoscope and Alphaville stuff was as better than what was eventually released - shouls have just got on with it and maybe being in a band would have made him do just that. Cheers Rob (going to Rock the Dock) Message Received: Jul 12 2006, 11:13 PM From: "Bruce MacQueen" To: "avalon@smoe.org" Cc: Subject: [AVALON] Solo Artist MSN has short article listing lead singers that went on to solo success and others that didn't. Bryan made the "other list". Below is the link and the excised text. http://music.msn.com/music/artistofthemonth/gosolo2 Bryan Ferry The debonair front man of legendary British proto-glam rockers Roxy Music began making solo albums while his band was still very much a going concern. Unfortunately, he just kept on making them, despite band mate resentment, critical scorn and general public indifference (with one or two notable exceptions). But where Roxy were fierce, stylish revolutionaries who breathed new life into the tired corpse of early-to-mid '70s rock, Ferry albums were curiously un-daring, offering ironic covers (his boogie band treatment of Dylan 's "A Hard Rain's A Gonna Fall " is representative, but his version of John Lennon's "Jealous Guy," issued shortly after Lennon's murder, was a minor hit), the requisite stab at standards (the "As Time Goes By " LP) and a lot of songs that simply weren't as good as the material he brought to Roxy Music. No wonder then, that the band has weathered line-up changes and break-ups, only to reunite time and time again. Best Regards, Bruce - -- "What's so funny 'bout peace, love & understanding?" Nick Lowe ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > - -- "What's so funny 'bout peace, love & understanding?" Nick Lowe ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:00:32 +0100 From: "Ivor Canning" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Leo Abrahams rocks Father Abrahams introduces Bass Smurf: > On bass is Guy Pratt, a great player and very funny man (he has his own > standup show). Yes, I especially like the routine he did in Dublin where he swapped basses for 'A Song For Europe' and was so busy mugging to the audience he didn't realise it wasn't plugged in until the last minute ! The look on his face as he scrambled around for a lead had me rolling on the floor. To be frank though, I wish he'd take the job a little more seriously and get behind the music properly - it often sounds to me like he's really not trying. You know, I'd like to hear Mark Smith with Roxy Music - his work on the Frantic tour was superb and I think he made a great rhythm section with TGPT. Meanwhile, Bryan F is about to get struck off Wilko Johnson's Christmas card list... > One of them he was dissatisfied with because it > sounded a bit 'pub rock' Well, praise the Lord and pass the Prog ammunition S8^) > Imagine cooking all the ingredients on their own frying the > eggs, melting the cheese, boiling the milk then throwing it all on a > plate. I > don't know what you'd call it but it wouldn't be an omlette. An Amazing Pudding perhaps ? Get Phil to ask David ('never Dave') Gilmour ... Regards, Ivor n.p. Niacin 'Organik' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 03:11:11 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] E? Sorted... Ivor said: You know, I'd like to hear Mark Smith with Roxy Music... You know? I'd like to hear Mark E Smith with Roxy Music Best wishes Richard Mills n/p Feels - Animal Collective ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V11 #165 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest