From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V11 #125 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, May 27 2006 Volume 11 : Number 125 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Surprise, surprise - Eno IS brilliant [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] World Cup - RM connection ["Nigel Hollis" Subject: [AVALON] World Cup - RM connection J`O`B writes :- it is the arrogant 'Britain is England', 'England is Britain' John I sympathise with your views entirely. English nationalism manifests it`s self through football and.it`s one of the rare occasions the English ever get excited about anything. I doubt if the footballing pundit`s even realise their harping on, it`s deep in their psyche and the nation as a whole. This attitude goes far deeper than just football though and it has its roots firmly embedded in history. The BBC/EBC is the voice of the establishment and the subconscious, subliminal message always seems to be "the English are superior". Unlike the Scots the Welsh and the Irish we English haven`t got a strong cultural identity - we don`t assert ourselves culturally in the way the rest of the UK might, our one outlet to let off steam on the world stage is through "footie". For good or bad. Death or Glory - "it`s the English way".(Uh.. Pink Floyd - Dave Gilmour - Manzo, thats the footie / RM connection folks!) N. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:13:47 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Surprise, surprise - Eno IS brilliant I think this is a well-written and interesting review of what appears to be an exciting event. Thank you Ricardo. I only wish we were simialrly served with reviews of events involving musicians who've played a greater role in the history of RM and BF - like, dunno... the Chanter Sisters ....Fonzi Thornton ..... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Chandla911@aol.com Sent: 26 May 2006 01:20 To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Surprise, surprise - Eno IS brilliant Still blissfully blissed out by the two live performances by Brian Eno, Joanna McGregor and Bath Camerata in Bath Abbey on Wednesday evening...no-one knew quite what to expect and sure enough an unpredictable set of music made up each of the 85-minute sets. Two world premieres The Airman (absolutely brilliant!) and August 1914 (less so) were aired, together with 1/2 and 2/2 from Music For Airports, as well as music from the 16th Century (Thomas Tallis, William Byrd and John Dowland), "modern" compositions (from Arvo Part, Somei Satoh and James MacMillan and a 1930 doowop Gospel song in the Paul Robeson tradition) and very little inbetween. The quality of music and artistry was incredible. Yes, there was the old Eno magic (sending vocal quartets to various places in the Abbey armed with synchronised CD player portables with non-synchronised CDs to serve as their cues) which will have some pointing childlike at the Emperor and declaring him naked (although this was in fact my 10-year-old son's favourite bit), but Eno is best appreciated as a collaborator and his partnership with all those involved was breath-taking. He did suggest that Music For Airports has never been performed live, not even when recorded as it relied on tape loops and synthesisers. But surely this forgets the concerts by Bang On A Drum, the Royal Festival Hall one of which Brian Eno attended as guest of honour. But no matter, he doubtless meant by himself. Peter Gabriel made the short journey from RealWorld to be present but, like Roddy Frame, he is small fry in the music world that includes giants like Bryan Ferry and Franz Ferdinand, but it is highly likely PG was inspired. The concert programme notes were by Joanna herself, Brian Eno (the original liner notes for MFA) and Michael Bracewell who wrote the following, better than which I would be hard pushed to compose. So I shan't try but will instead painstakingly reproduce this one paragraph. "Eno's role as a co-founder of the art rock group Roxy Music in 1971 can still be regarded as one of the most accomplished debuts in the history of pop. By colliding a highly-stylised selection of popular music forms - from French chanson to surfer rockabilly by way of Johnny Ray - with an uncompromising backdrop of atonal electronically massaged atmospherics, Roxy Music were and remain the most eloquent and spectacular testimony to Eno's definition of pop. This meticulous crafting of songs has always run parallel to Eno's instrumental recordings - the artistic starting points of which are related to notions of time as much as instrumentation. Hence his creation of 'Ambient' music - first using the term in 1978 - would provide the cultural lexicon with one of its principal epoch-defining concepts." This is but 20% of the biog notes, all equally gushing but nonetheless, all just about right. And you can't say fairer than that... Best wishes Richard Mills n/p Surprise - Paul Simon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:35:41 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Surprise, surprise - Eno IS brilliant Allow me. Ednah Holt - Live. Bloody marvellous. J In a message dated 26/05/2006 15:31:26 GMT Daylight Time, martinstockman@btinternet.com writes: I think this is a well-written and interesting review of what appears to be an exciting event. Thank you Ricardo. I only wish we were simialrly served with reviews of events involving musicians who've played a greater role in the history of RM and BF - like, dunno... the Chanter Sisters ....Fonzi Thornton ..... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:55:43 -0400 From: Colleen Matan Subject: RE: [AVALON] Surprise, surprise - Eno IS brilliant Quoting Martin Stockman : > I think this is a well-written and interesting review of what appears to be > an exciting event. Thank you Ricardo. I only wish we were simialrly served > with reviews of events involving musicians who've played a greater role in > the history of RM and BF - like, dunno... the Chanter Sisters ....Fonzi > Thornton ..... So write them. Or filter Richard's messages. Or anything with "Eno" in the subject line. It's music related and it's Roxy related. What is the problem? Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:04:33 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Surprise, surprise - Eno IS brilliant I think Martino was making a witty and amusing point in his customary dead pan style actually Colleen. J In a message dated 26/05/2006 16:00:11 GMT Daylight Time, cjem@his.com writes: So write them. Or filter Richard's messages. Or anything with "Eno" in the subject line. It's music related and it's Roxy related. What is the problem? Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:10:59 -0400 From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Surprise, surprise - Eno IS brilliant Quoting "" : > I think Martino was making a witty and amusing point in his customary dead > pan style actually Colleen. No. Really? Thank goodness you are here to translate Martin to me. I can't see why people are constantly picked on for writing music-related posts. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:14:27 EDT From: JohnOBrien001@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] World Cup - RM connection In a message dated 26/05/2006 15:07:00 GMT Standard Time, martinstockman@btinternet.com writes: Come on, get over it. Be thankful that Southern England bankrolls the rest of the United Kingdom. I am not sure how much Oil there is in Kensington Roxy Music to the World Cup in 4 easy steps: (1) Roxy Music singer is Bryan Ferry (2) Bryan Ferry recorded some Bob Dylan songs (3) Bob Dylan wrote Route 66 (4) ...do I need to go on ??? ;-) J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:12:43 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Surprise, surprise - Eno IS brilliant Wow, haven't had a Colleen broadside since '98. Yours, chained and bound, etc etc. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Colleen Matan Sent: 26 May 2006 15:56 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Surprise, surprise - Eno IS brilliant Quoting Martin Stockman : > I think this is a well-written and interesting review of what appears to be > an exciting event. Thank you Ricardo. I only wish we were simialrly served > with reviews of events involving musicians who've played a greater role in > the history of RM and BF - like, dunno... the Chanter Sisters ....Fonzi > Thornton ..... So write them. Or filter Richard's messages. Or anything with "Eno" in the subject line. It's music related and it's Roxy related. What is the problem? Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:57:23 -0400 From: "KB Porter" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Do we think any less of TGPT or Andy? And Asides. Thanks for sharing Mr. Thompson's post regarding his decision to play, Collette. Realities are never 'black and white', it sounds as though TGPT struggled with his: Bravo for the man! He is SO likeable because he IS the real deal - - decent in practically every way!!! Nigel, thanks for the Telegraph link, it was an enjoyable read. My sentiments are with Martin as he has eloquently stated the bottom line on Mr. Ferry's life: "How many times is a man expected to change the course of popular culture in one lifetime? Let him enjoy his trees and his pretty girlfriend. Let him hang out with his handsome charming sons. Let him write and perform the new album that he's kindly allowed his old friends to play on..." Kudus to Richard Mills and for those who have responded in kind. Richard has admirably argued a position that is disagreeable for many list members, and most rebuttals have taken opposition with rationalized debate. 'Boo' to the stray 'less than courteous' and overly-emotional responses tossed in the way of this discussion: It has been written here before (and not by me), 'if you don't like the topic don't read it or, if you like, start a new one'. Richard 'not Mills' Deagle - Your take on "The Main Thing" video is most agreeable. (I'd love to troll downtown through Ferry eyes.) Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:56:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: Re: [AVALON] Surprise, surprise - Jobson and Wilkins were brilliant too Allow me too... ... re the subject of other musicians contributions. Firstly, Eddie Jobson. My my, the man has had a bad press over the years. Is he the forgotten man of Roxy Music ? Probably. But his contributions to Stranded, Country Life, and Siren merit a whole lot more typespace than he ever received. Sure, Roxy may have been led (by BF) into a mainly 'safer' direction from Album 3, but there are such fine moments along the way. He was a great musician, and I do think it shows in various places on those Albums. Meanwhile, the first 5 Albums in the Roxy canon deserve to be in anyones (sorry, everyones) collection. Yeah I know, I'm biased. And as much as Eno was my fave member of Roxy back in those halcyon days of 72 and 73, even I admit that Jobson 'added more' in his time, than Eno. Once Jobson also flew the nest, I was beginning to think anyone who ventured near the keyboards was destined to be treated like the Bass players. Lucky for Andy he changed from keyboards to sax and oboe at the start then, otherwise we may have lost him along the way ! I was a little disappointed Jobson was not around for the reformation in 79, but he'd moved on, just like Eno did. Roxy Music (and Ferry solo, too) were different animals then (weren't we all ?). And so to Roxy Music in a 'live' setting, and I automatically speak up for Lucy Wilkins, who I think added so much to the Band in the 2001 tour. It is not often in a band reformation that a musician who was never an original member received such plaudits, but it happened, and deservedly so, on this occasion. I heard recently that some fans actually thought that she mimed the 'OOTB' solo part, as it sounded the same every time. Eh ? Wash out those ears ! She hit the odd bum note, you know - it was 'live'. I have a few recordings which prove this fact. The only sampled parts were the 2 noodly bits from Remake Remodel, if you must know. Quite right too - what would R/R have been without them ? Attention to detail. Then again, a lot of it was playing by numbers for the whole Band, as those of us who attended so many dates on that tour (and many subsequent Ferry solo outings) came to witness - right down to Phil's guitar strap slipping off his shoulder during the Ladytron solo, Roxy 2001, and the roadie rushing on stage to put it back in place (ermm, for the first 6 nights of the Tour). But that's the game. The extra musicians who have augmented the sound be it in a live or studio setting over the last few years - I cannot stress their importance enough. The Band knew it too, otherwise those extra musicians wouldn't have been there. The work Colin Good did to piece together the 2001 reformation right down to searching out old synths, is a good case in point. Going back a year or two from that, think of the string section for the ATGB Tour. I await with interest, how the new boys/girls fare, in the forthcoming Roxy Music dates, and on the Album too. Reecey... n/p : The Dears - 'Gang Of Losers'. (Mighty !!!) . . . . - --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:03:47 -0400 From: "KB Porter" Subject: RE: [AVALON] World Cup - RM connection "Roxy Music to the World Cup in 4 easy steps: (1) Roxy Music singer is Bryan Ferry (2) Bryan Ferry recorded some Bob Dylan songs (3) Bob Dylan wrote Route 66 (4) ...do I need to go on ???" Ah... A hard rain's a-gonna fall? KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:54:41 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Surprise, surprise - Eno IS brilliant In a message dated 26/05/2006 16:12:11 GMT Daylight Time, cjem@his.com writes: No. Really? Thank goodness you are here to translate Martin to me. No problem at all. You are, as ever, most welcome. J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:03:44 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Do we think any less of TGPT or Andy? And Asides. In a message dated 26/05/2006 17:06:37 GMT Daylight Time, kbporter@verizon.net writes: I'd love to troll downtown through Ferry eyes I hope you one day get your wish. Whatever it might mean. J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:05:40 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Surprise, surprise - Jobson and Wilkins were brilliant too Excellent post in all but title Reecy. I'm not at all surprised by Jobson and Wilkins' brilliance. J In a message dated 26/05/2006 17:06:46 GMT Daylight Time, reecey593@yahoo.co.uk writes: Allow me too... ... re the subject of other musicians contributions. Firstly, Eddie Jobson. My my, the man has had a bad press over the years. Is he the forgotten man of Roxy Music ? Probably. But his contributions to Stranded, Country Life, and Siren merit a whole lot more typespace than he ever received. Sure, Roxy may have been led (by BF) into a mainly 'safer' direction from Album 3, but there are such fine moments along the way. He was a great musician, and I do think it shows in various places on those Albums. Meanwhile, the first 5 Albums in the Roxy canon deserve to be in anyones (sorry, everyones) collection. Yeah I know, I'm biased. And as much as Eno was my fave member of Roxy back in those halcyon days of 72 and 73, even I admit that Jobson 'added more' in his time, than Eno. Once Jobson also flew the nest, I was beginning to think anyone who ventured near the keyboards was destined to be treated like the Bass players. Lucky for Andy he changed from keyboards to sax and oboe at the start then, otherwise we may have lost him along the way ! I was a little disappointed Jobson was not around for the reformation in 79, but he'd moved on, just like Eno did. Roxy Music (and Ferry solo, too) were different animals then (weren't we all ?). And so to Roxy Music in a 'live' setting, and I automatically speak up for Lucy Wilkins, who I think added so much to the Band in the 2001 tour. It is not often in a band reformation that a musician who was never an original member received such plaudits, but it happened, and deservedly so, on this occasion. I heard recently that some fans actually thought that she mimed the 'OOTB' solo part, as it sounded the same every time. Eh ? Wash out those ears ! She hit the odd bum note, you know - it was 'live'. I have a few recordings which prove this fact. The only sampled parts were the 2 noodly bits from Remake Remodel, if you must know. Quite right too - what would R/R have been without them ? Attention to detail. Then again, a lot of it was playing by numbers for the whole Band, as those of us who attended so many dates on that tour (and many subsequent Ferry solo outings) came to witness - right down to Phil's guitar strap slipping off his shoulder during the Ladytron solo, Roxy 2001, and the roadie rushing on stage to put it back in place (ermm, for the first 6 nights of the Tour). But that's the game. The extra musicians who have augmented the sound be it in a live or studio setting over the last few years - I cannot stress their importance enough. The Band knew it too, otherwise those extra musicians wouldn't have been there. The work Colin Good did to piece together the 2001 reformation right down to searching out old synths, is a good case in point. Going back a year or two from that, think of the string section for the ATGB Tour. I await with interest, how the new boys/girls fare, in the forthcoming Roxy Music dates, and on the Album too. Reecey... n/p : The Dears - 'Gang Of Losers'. (Mighty !!!) . . . . ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:04:17 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Surprise, surprise - Eno IS brilliant Speaking of translations, could some kind cunning linguist kindly translate dashing Charles Landar's french from yesterday's post about The Main Thing ... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of KWil632057@aol.com Sent: 26 May 2006 18:55 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Surprise, surprise - Eno IS brilliant In a message dated 26/05/2006 16:12:11 GMT Daylight Time, cjem@his.com writes: No. Really? Thank goodness you are here to translate Martin to me. No problem at all. You are, as ever, most welcome. J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V11 #125 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest