From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V11 #114 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, May 13 2006 Volume 11 : Number 114 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Duran love Miles Davis [Chandla911@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Simon Le Bon's real love ["Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Duran loves Ferry-Roxy very much! I feel sure that Richard Mills will tell us that Eno met J Taylor in a bar and conceptualised this album. LOL Not sure about that, BUT I do happen to know that, quite remarkably, the sleeve designer misheard and typed Rio when Nick Rhodes mumbled "Eno" as the album title, "Wild Boys" was a wordplay on Bowie's Teenage Wildlife, What Happens Tomorrow was intended as a knowing rejoinder to 801's cover of "Tomorrow Never Knows", Notorious was a mash-up of Bowie's Fame and their cover of Perfect Day was an attempt to match the excellent production skills of David Bowie. Simon LeBon always sensed the others weren't 100% behind his Ferry tribute band idea and wrote about his suspicions in "Is There Something I should Know?". Best wishes as ever Richard Mills PS True fact: I did once meet Simon LeBon at the Purcell Room a few years back when Eno was a speaker at a New Music conference. Heavily bespectacled and hardly looking like himself at all, Simon told me I should not be so surprised at his presence at the event as he and the others had always been huge Eno fans and had always wanted him to produce an album for them, but felt they'd missed the U(2)-boat. God's honest truth. He signed that day's programme for my Durannie wife Nicky. I also met John Taylor at a Miles Davis gig at the Royal festival Hall in the late 80s. Also true. Bryan Ferry was not mentioned at either event. ;-) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:53:45 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Simon Le Bon's real love Interesting. Well...ok...kinda interesting. Actually, wrong. I think you are missing the point. No-one doubts that Eno had (and has) a huge intellectual presence within whichever circle he points his pate. And a lot of pretentious rock stars like to add a bit of Eno to provide their work with an arty gravitas. That wasn't the case with Roxy. In these pages I have explained ad nauseum how Bryan alone wrote all the early stuff, but, more importantly, he created the brand, the look, the whole damn thrill of it all. Yes the "Roxy soup", as Manzo endearingly refers to the early Roxy sound, was an ensemble effort, but what Roxy meant to people - then and now - - is a lot more than avante garde rock'n'roll. I think its called Glamour. And that is what Duran, and ABC, Simple Minds, The Asociates, Soft Cell, Human League, Scissor Sisters - you name 'em, tapped in to. Times change, and we have lived in a world where bands have worn t shirts and trainers on stage for the past 15 years. My opinion is that the likes of Le Bon play down their worship of Ferry, and accentuate their admiration of Eno; and that is precisely because their pale reproductions of BF's swaggering genius are so tragically poor by comparison. Ferry's courageous / crazy support of unfashionable political opinions has left him sidelined by the music press in this country. If, like Le Bon, you are trying to re-launch your own brand you wouldn't talk up Le Ferrari in these circumstances, you'd be more likely to find a middle aged darling of the arty left to hang your hat on. Having said all that I think Bry and Bri enjoy a decent relationship of mutual respect and affection these days, and it suits both parties to work together in the studio from time to time. As a piece of theatre I'm sure Bryan would love to have Eno on stage, but they both know that that is never going to happen. "I Thought" exhibited their extraordinary alchemy, an alchemy that few would have thought possible after the dull 39 Steps. Onward and sideways Martino - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Chandla911@aol.com Sent: 12 May 2006 11:14 To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Duran love Miles Davis From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Duran loves Ferry-Roxy very much! I feel sure that Richard Mills will tell us that Eno met J Taylor in a bar and conceptualised this album. LOL Not sure about that, BUT I do happen to know that, quite remarkably, the sleeve designer misheard and typed Rio when Nick Rhodes mumbled "Eno" as the album title, "Wild Boys" was a wordplay on Bowie's Teenage Wildlife, What Happens Tomorrow was intended as a knowing rejoinder to 801's cover of "Tomorrow Never Knows", Notorious was a mash-up of Bowie's Fame and their cover of Perfect Day was an attempt to match the excellent production skills of David Bowie. Simon LeBon always sensed the others weren't 100% behind his Ferry tribute band idea and wrote about his suspicions in "Is There Something I should Know?". Best wishes as ever Richard Mills PS True fact: I did once meet Simon LeBon at the Purcell Room a few years back when Eno was a speaker at a New Music conference. Heavily bespectacled and hardly looking like himself at all, Simon told me I should not be so surprised at his presence at the event as he and the others had always been huge Eno fans and had always wanted him to produce an album for them, but felt they'd missed the U(2)-boat. God's honest truth. He signed that day's programme for my Durannie wife Nicky. I also met John Taylor at a Miles Davis gig at the Royal festival Hall in the late 80s. Also true. Bryan Ferry was not mentioned at either event. ;-) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:31:48 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Ferry loves Aqua In a message dated 12/05/2006 11:54:11 GMT Standard Time, martinstockman@btinternet.com writes: Interesting. Well...ok...kinda interesting. Actually, wrong. I think you are missing the point. I don't think I am. As indicated by the LOL, I'm having a laugh. You are no stranger to a bit of humour yourself. Eno...intellectual gravitas??? Is this the guy who found ways of getting U2 to stop calling the Pope long enough to make an album? The guy who wore ostrich feathers on stage with Roxy? Who wrote about girls' big bottoms in his Year with Swollen Appendices? Who pissed in Duchamps' urinal? The guy who...well, the list is endless. Eno isn't a dusty old intellectual bore. He is funny and knows the value of glamour (a quality with which he easily matched Ferry's own during the 72-73 period). He is also by a million miles the more influential in terms of music, just because he is. He didn't invent Ambient but he pioneered it and found the audience for it. He innovated sonic soundscapes for U2, Talking Heads, James, Paul Simon and a load more, just because he knows how to, while Ferry merely doodled in a drugged-up state for years on end. People name drop Eno because he IS glamorous. And because he is witty. And because he genuinely has shaped music and the way we listen to it and the way it now combines with video. Ferry is undoubtedly a wonderful star in the firmament but, as you point out, he is no longer the name to drop if you're pitching for a deal at a record company. And this is because he has trodden water for the past two decades and endlessly recycled. Vote Ferry, Go Green, Go Foxhound. I haven't missed the point. As ever, just trying not to take things too seriously while at the same time, hoping someone will respond instead of lurking. So thanks, Martin, mission accomplished. Now how about some of you others? Best wishes Richard Mills n/p Ron Sexsmith - Time Being ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:04:21 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Breakfast on Monday Just a quick reminder that Breakfast on Pluto is released on dvd in the UK on Monday. Just been watching my review copy and Ferry gets a good report from Neil Jordan and Cillian Murphy (although I'm sure they prefer Brian Eno really). J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V11 #114 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest