From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V10 #296 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, December 2 2005 Volume 10 : Number 296 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Re: please cease the public discussion of someone not here to defend himself ["mvsleen" <] [AVALON] Re: please cease the public discussion of someone not here to defend himself [Colleen M] [Duarte Men] [AVALON] Re: Eno's new discovery? [MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.)] Re: [AVALON] Great, greater, greatest [Susan Stekel ] [AVALON] Eno news... [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] Roxy 2005 HMH, Amsterdam offer - North America ["Judy Kaufman" <] [AVALON] Eno in Time Out [Chandla911@aol.com] [AVALON] Nick De Ville [Chandla911@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:48:09 +0100 From: "mvsleen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: please cease the public discussion of someone not here to defend himself I think Daniel should be contacted, so that we can learn what's the matter with him, hopefully to end all resentment and to wish him well. But also to clear all the confusion. Michiel - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Matan" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: please cease the public discussion of someone not here to defend himself > On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Duarte Mendonca wrote: > >> Coleen, >> I will end the discussion on my part here. I've said what I wanted to >> say. Maybe I am too harsh. I wish Daniel the best of luck and hope >> sincerely his situation improves, if that is in fact the case. I suspect >> however that I have saved someone from wasting their time and money >> burning 20 CDs for someone who will provide nothing in exchange but sorry >> excuses. > > Do you honestly think that Daniel is still out there, off the list and in > secret, trying to bilk CDs from people? And even if he were, a simple > "Just a head's up that I had been trading with Daniel and he hasn't held > up his end of the bargain so I'm letting you all know there may be a > problem" would have sufficed, no? Instead of posting private emails with > private details to the list and deciding that although Daniel indicated he > was dealing with a lot, it really wasn't enough to justify our > expectations. > >> I too am surprised. Surprised by the rigid defence of Daniel's behaviour. > > First, as I have said before, I am not defending or excusing his behavior. > But for a number and variety of reasons I'm not going to allow people who > are not here to defend themselves to be bashed on the list. Private email > is the only way to contact Daniel as he's not reading the list. > > Second, I guess I'm old-fashioned, but I don't believe the purpose of > Avalon is to attack one another. > >> I too have had extremely sick family members (breast cancer), pet pass >> way, financial ups and downs, personal issues, etc.. but I have always >> honoured my commitments, and didn't solicit large trades from Avalonians >> that I had no ability or intention of fulfilling. > > Everyone reacts in different ways to stressful situations. To expect > another person to react exactly as you would is to put unfair expectations > on that person. Some people just shut down completely when they are > overwhelmed. Bashing them behind their backs neither helps them nor > resolves the issue at hand. > > Colleen > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:44:53 -0500 From: Duarte Mendonca Subject: [AVALON] Re: please cease the public discussion of someone not here to defend himself [Colleen M] I apologize, but as afar as I can see, I am not attacking Daniel. I have simply stated the plain and simple facts, as they applied in my case with two trades, detailing the unending list of excuses (which happened to be in an email) and only cited excerpts from his emails to provide facts, due to the incredulous response to these accusations. . Nothing more, nothing less. If he is not here to defend himself, it was of his own choosing. To me the subject is ended. Regards, Duarte ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:57:17 -0600 From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Eno's new discovery? By the sounds of Eno you'd think he's the first to play Arabic music. Anyone have the CD Dead Man Walking? There's Arabic music, Sting had a Arabic song with the guy singing. Even Ricky Martin has come back with a new CD Arabic infused music. Sarah Brightman has infused it. Everyone is looking for a new sound . Hello-- Ferry check it out don"t be afraid of the un-known ---What's so ironic is this music has been around forever, only not mainstream. I as a Mid-East Dancer have learned this music & all about the different instruments & sounds. This is a hard music to dance to as their rhythms are complicated. The 8 beat, 16 beat. I could feel the music,which made dancing with a Mid-East group not so difficult. If a dancer was so technical & never felt the music then had to rely on taped music to know every beat by heart. You follow? Music & dancing is at its best when its felt by dancer & musician they become as one. Playing off each other, In American culture sometime I'd try to find music Inspired with Arabic that could be related to .Take the haunting song by Led Zepplin I've used that before as its so dramatic a beat that builds & builds & can be incorporated into my dance. But he Art of this ancient Mid-East Dance is to study, study, study both the moves & the music so an American can do it justice.I'm proud to say I danced for several yrs. in an authentic Mid-East Restaurant which we had the likes of Yes< Prince's to come from another country to dine there. To be called over to be introduced & then asked what country in Mid-East did you come from> That is the highest honor any American dancer could receive to be as good as that. Your Art of the Dance has paid off you learned your craft well to honor this ancient dance. Sorry to rant , but I love what I do. Always, Marlana ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:39:13 -0600 From: Susan Stekel Subject: Re: [AVALON] Great, greater, greatest At 07:21 PM 11/30/2005, Jocelynfiske@AOL.COM wrote: >Just back from Franz Ferdinand at Ally Pally and can't believe they had the >audacity to introduce THEIR Paul Thompson as THE GREAT Paul Thompson. Given the notable influences/connections between Roxy and FF, that was the one that always amused me most. Coincidentally, I spent last evening watching FF too, albeit on Austin City Limits which I Tivo'ed Saturday night. A fun performance, though it doesn't come off quite as lively when they're on a small television set. But interestingly: at the end, there's a 30-second backstage bit where they get to talk casually about why they got into music, who they admire, etc ... and the only band that they DIDN'T name was Roxy. I got the funny sensation that they were trying to avoid naming them, almost as if the connection had been over-emphasized. Everyone else got listed: The Beatles, Bowie, The Clash .. I mean, they mentioned Pulp for heaven's sake! But no Roxy. Anyway, the strongest link between them (aside from the rather surprising number of drummers named Paul Thom(p)son) is the lyrical style. Alex Kapranos has a lot of Ferryisms about him -- moreso in the early Roxy vein, rather than the later love-lorn stuff. There's an emphasis on clever word play, with a bit of camp sass thrown in: just check out the lyrics for "Do You Wanna" or "Dark of the Matinee" or my personal fave "Michael" (with its gloriously camp "hey you" backing chorus) And "Eleanor Put Your Boots On" may be just about the sweetest trans-atlantic love song ever written. They're in heavy rotation on the ol' iPod lately. Susan (flogging herself because she unwittingly missed a chance to hang out with them at a vintage bike shop when they played Minneapolis in September) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:27:47 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Eno news... Peter Gabriel will be the musical director of next year's World Cup opening ceremony in Berlin, working with Brian Eno. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:55:24 -0600 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy 2005 HMH, Amsterdam offer - North America Thanks to Mark and to the originator of this tree, I am able to offer 5 copies of this show to North Americans. Three will go to those who can burn and will reoffer to this list. Two will go to the burnerless. Please write offlist for details. If I don't reply you were too late, but watch the list for further offers. Strictly no sale! Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:02:19 EST From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Eno in Time Out Time Out NOVEMBER 23-30, 2005 - by John Lewis THE LIFE OF BRIAN Brian Eno - producer, pornographer, perfumier and peacenik. We know many different Brian Enos. We know him as the sound sculptor who transformed the music of Roxy Music, David Bowie, Talking Heads and U2. We know him as the pioneer of sampling, of electronica, of ambient, of generative music. We know him as the connoisseur of hardcore pornography; the man who once f***ed six groupies in one day before collapsing; the occasional transvestite; the man who started work on a male aphrodisiac perfume for Unilever in 1977; who once pissed in Duchamp's urinal as an artistic statement. Today we meet more incarnations of Brian Eno. We meet a session musician who is busy playing "keyboards and treatments" on Grace Jones's new album, her first in seventeen years ("she's one of the great treasures of modern life"). We meet someone who's curating this Sunday's concert at the Astoria - he's invited multi-instrumentalist polymath Nitin Sawhney and singer-songwriter Imogen Heap to play solo sets, and has French-Algerian punk disco maverick Rachid Taha to headline. We also meet a Brian Eno who is going to re-live his ancilliary role in Roxy Music - albeit without the feather boa and the spaceman outfit - as Rachid Taha's backing vocalist and "sound manipulator" ("I'm playing various processing tools to distort the guitarist, so effectively we'll be playing one guitar together"). We also meet a Brian Eno who has become a political activist. Anyone reading his hilarious diaries of 1996 will have met someone whose whimsical, surrealist rambles about tasting his own piss, or not being able to achieve an erection in Ireland, seemed somewhat apolitical. But, in the last five years, politics seems to have subsumed his life. He's become a prominent supporter of the Lib Dems and a passionate opponent of the war in Iraq, which is the focus of this Astoria show. "No, I haven't been particularly political in the past and I would happily not be political now," says Eno. "But I think it came from one book I read, called Defying Hitler by Sebastian Haffner in which he describes how Germany in the 1920s slid, quite unconsciously, into fascism. And, while I'm certainly not making any comparisons between Blair and Bush and the Nazis - I don't want to give that impression at all - I'm just saying that it's easy for things to slide out of control. It's actually very easy for democracy to disappear. It's important to be engaged." Were you opposed to the last war with Iraq? "Yes I was, actually." So, by that logic, Saddam would still be in Kuwait? "Well, I was opposed to going to war. I wasn't opposed to getting him out of there. I don't think that war is the only way. Law is always better than war." You are known to be a very intuitive artist - do you see your politics as similarly intuitive? "Well, yes, in the sense that, politically, you either believe in the strict father model or the nurturing mother model. You either believe that people respond to authority, or that they respond to kindness and inclusion. I'm obviously in the latter camp. I think that people respond better to reward than punishment. It's an intuitive position that's very difficult to defend in an argument." Isn't law usually only enforceable through strength and intervention? "Maybe. I was actually in favour of military intervention in Kosovo, but even that I'm not sure about. I think there might have been other ways of putting pressure on the Serbs. But I see your point. I have been reading the diaries of Churchill's secretary John Colville, and it is astonishing that so many people, especially in the British upper classes, thought that we should go into alliance with Hitler. And yes, I hope I wouldn't have been one of those liberals who tried to argue us out of going to war in 1939. "But music, as a mechanism of protest, is completely useless," he laughs. "And lyrics, of course, have less to do with politics than anything else. Lyrics are always misleading because they make people think that that's what the music is about. For me lyrics are just a way of getting voices to do something. That's why I can listen to Arabic songs or Indian songs, because I'm interested in what voices do, and then how they move and how they feel free to move. For instance, it really was political when Elvis Presley started indicating that he had life below the neck. Even if he was just singing Love Me Tender while he was doing it. Now that's a political statement!" What might surprise many is Eno's association with the Stop The War Coalition, a ragbag crew dominated by Trotskyites (like the SWP), Ba'athists (like George Galloway) and Islamists (like the Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated Muslim Association of Britain). Is Eno happy to share a platform with the Socialist Workers who carry banners proclaiming 'Victory to the Resistance', or various fundamentalists? "Well, yes, some of them are fucking stupid, of course. I don't like everyone who is involved in the Stop The War Coalition. To be honest I don't know much about them. I do realise that it's a very broad umbrella. The only common bond between us is our conviction that the war in Iraq, or our part in that war, should stop soon. "That said, I have quite a lot of misgivings about George Galloway. But I don't much like Christopher Hitchens either. That was a very peculiar argument. Two rather unbearable people. I didn't really want to agree with either of them!" Brian Eno presents the Rachid Taha Band, Nitin Sawhney and Imogen Heap at the Astoria on Sunday. www.timeout.com Best wishes Richard Mills ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:54:41 EST From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Nick De Ville I'm sure someone else will have already mentioned this, but a great looking book for the Xmas stocking might well be Nick De Ville's "Album - Classic Sleeve Design". Available at Amazon and all good stockists.... _http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1845331303/qid=1133498796/sr=8-2/ref =sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl/202-1959012-7415849_ (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1845331303/qid=1133498796/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl/202-1959012-7415849 ) Best wishes Richard Mills ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V10 #296 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest