From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V10 #288 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, November 24 2005 Volume 10 : Number 288 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Ferry Lyrics, similar etc [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Love Wordplay, Etc. [LottieStreeter2@cs.com] Re: [AVALON] Roxy on US TV [Colleen Matan ] RE: [AVALON] Love Wordplay, Etc. ["Martin Stockman" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:29:35 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Lyrics, similar etc On Tue, 22 Nov 2005, helchat@earthlink.net wrote: > Here is creating the image of a world he can create for his lover just > by telling her a story about a room with a beautiful view. The ONLY > reason the room and the view would be beautiful is because he's > describing it to his love, and his love is intently listening....... [...] > He's not so much stating an observation that his lover loves the lights > in New York in the rain, but that he knows she loves the lights > because, at that moment, she's in love, and he is in love with her and > therefore this simple thing that gives her pleasure. But isn't "To Turn You On" a song about unrequited love? I would leave you as you were If I wanted to Then I wonder is it fair? Now you're on your own Who cares about you Except me, God help me When things go wrong I'd do anything to turn you Must phone me, you know me When things go wrong, I'd do anything to turn you on Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:32:51 EST From: LottieStreeter2@cs.com Subject: [AVALON] Love Wordplay, Etc. Helene writes : I feel that the wordplay used is because he wants to create "magic" in his songs by showing us that everything is magical only because he's in love...... As much as I am a fan of Bryan's, I feel I've been a fan long enough to know these lyrics are not his true feelings, but that he himself has become jaded to a certain extent about life and, obviously, love. ======================================================== Helene how beautifully put, and also what a perfect song to choose, "To Turn You On" as an example. I think this song was written for/about Lucy Helmore during their courtship and so it does reflect true feelings, however conflicted these may be. If his songs are self-revelatory, and I believe at least to some extent they are, I have to sympathize with the poor man because he has tended always to choose women who want More than HIM -- and he knows it. "I could walk you through the park....if you're feeling blue, or whatever....I'd do anything to turn you on...." In a Lisa Robinson interview shortly after his marriage, he referred to the wedded state as 'having someone to belong to.' I thought, 'awwwwwww....' But afterward I worried a bit, because of the dichotomy -- this is a strong intellingent man, not a little boy. Would he be able to comfortably vascillate between the two? He has frequently admitted to being "controlling". A man can control matters through his strength, but a little boy would have to resort to petulance, sulking, or temper tantrums. Dr. Puxley arguably knew Mr. F best and was right : Mother of Pearl has got to be the ultimate self-revelatory Ferry love song. In this song, he seems to give it all away, revealing his modus operandi in approaching love....again, much as a little boy would. He falls in love very suddenly, at a party when in no condition to make life-altering decisions, having been 'up all night' having 'too much fun'. He rather naively believes 'divine intervention' will direct him to his perfect soul-mate, and when he is drawn to a young woman by her beauty and vulnerability he hangs upon her shining garments : 'you're highbrow, holy....even Zarathustra could believe in you." He gives her a name, "Mother of Pearl"....beautiful and shimmering, of course, but does anyone see anything slightly Oedipal going on? (-; He offers her what he perceives to be the ultimate compliment : "a place in your heart dear makes me feel more real." The poor fellow! But he too offers a rescue : "Canadian Club love...a place in the country, everyone's ideal....just give me your future, we'll forget your past...." And offers undying fidelity to this girl he has just met, repeating six times, "I wouldn't trade you for another girl". Now I don't know about you ladies, but I'm certain my first boyfriend said these exact words to me when we were 7 years old. At the end of the song, in practically every live version from the 70s, he makes these primal little snuggling noises which I, having nursed my infant son, am certain I have heard before! (-; The lyrics of Bryan Ferry....many things to many people..... Lottie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:01:13 -0500 From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy on US TV Quoting Jane Fraser : > On 21 Nov 2005, at 17:13, Colleen Matan wrote: > > > Who is his cable/satellite TV provider? > > Warner Cable I think. Warner Cable in Houston shows it as an "on demand" item and as Isle of Wight Roxy Music with R.E.M. http://timewarnercable.com/CustomerService/OnDemand/Events.ashx Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:19:19 -0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Love Wordplay, Etc. Nice stuff Lottie and Helen. If we're going to be academic in our approach it might be easiest to list what we know about Bryan and Love. We know that love is a drug and that drug is / was a love. We know that he is drawn to beauty. We know that he's drawn to an idealised vision of love ie old Hollywood. We know that he sees romantic love as an ideal to be aspired to. We know that he has been affected by lost love. We also know that he romanticises lost love and tortured love. We know that the heart is still beating. You may retort that we know nothing of the sort. Yet the clues are riddled through the lyrics. (And through the lens of the paparazzi.) I don't think even he knows where the illusion ends and true love begins. Men huh!? Mx ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:17:58 -0500 From: "Arnold Schulberg" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy on US TV It's also being broadcast on Charter. I have one more shot at watching it and, if I can figure out how, taping it. Arnie - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jane Fraser Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:48 PM To: Colleen Matan Cc: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy on US TV On 21 Nov 2005, at 17:13, Colleen Matan wrote: > Who is his cable/satellite TV provider? Warner Cable I think. Jane ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V10 #288 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest