From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V10 #287 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, November 23 2005 Volume 10 : Number 287 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] My Only Love [LeonardThomson@HBOSplc.com] [AVALON] Cable Connects - BBC Wales ["rmfyp" ] [AVALON] Bryan replaced by Marianne [Johnny Reece ] [AVALON] For US fans... [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Running Wild, Running Scared [KB Porter ] [AVALON] All I want for x-mas is the new Roxy cd ["opd" ] Re: [AVALON] A Perfumed Sigh - new branch of the tree ["A. van Lammeren" ] RE: [AVALON] Ferry Lyrics, similar etc ["Guy Lawley" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:17:31 -0000 From: LeonardThomson@HBOSplc.com Subject: [AVALON] My Only Love In retrospect my previous criticism of My Only Love was a tad unfair. It is in fact a wonderful song in the live arena as it usually comes in at around 8th place in the setlist. My bladder is usually bursting at the seams by that time. Regards to all, Len - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HBOS plc, Registered in Scotland No. SC218813. Registered Office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. HBOS plc is a holding company, subsidiaries of which are authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. ============================================================================== ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:48:31 -0000 From: "rmfyp" Subject: [AVALON] Cable Connects - BBC Wales Quite interesting last night - don't know if this program is shown throughout the UK - as Stuart Cable (ex Stereophonics) was interviewing Rob Bryden and Love Is The Drug and Let's Stick Together were used as background music. Part of the program revolved around Bryden's recent appearance at the Millennium Centre in Cardiff where he actually opened the show with his own inimitable version LST - BF backing track minus BF vocals! Bryan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:34:18 -0800 (PST) From: Johnny Reece Subject: [AVALON] Bryan replaced by Marianne An interesting little addition (well, I think so) to the discussion some time ago on the version of 'In Every Dream Home A Heartache', on Jane Birkin's 'Rendezvous' Album. I like the track - but always thought it sounded like it was done in two different studios, as if Jane and Bryan did not actually record the track together, in the same location, at the same time, especially as the track is 'split in two', vocally, instead of singing alternate lines, which possibly would have sounded better. Wonder if they did meet ? Janes current book may hold the answer (which I'll have shortly). The DVD arrived from France this morning - and unfortunately, Bryan is nowhere to be seen - he is the only artist of the 'duets' Album not to appear on it. Shame ! Bryans place is taken by Marianne Faithfull, who duets the track with Jane instead. It's quite strange ! Would really have liked to have seen Bryan and Jane perform the song together on this, but there you go. Reecey... . . . . - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:04:59 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] For US fans... _http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CBG5Q0/103-5555471-5859057?v=glance&n=13 0&s=dvd&v=glance_ (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CBG5Q0/103-5555471-5859057?v=glance&n=130&s=dvd&v=glance) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:02:35 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Running Wild, Running Scared "... I love the subtle variation in the verses." "... but I do admire they way in which he can make a song lyric mean so much by changing so little form verse to verse." Yes, I agree. Those very small and subtle word variations seem deceptively simple but they cleverly, adroitly, change the meaning of the lyric. My favorite Ferry variation of verse occurs in The 39 Steps: "Don't ask me why my heart is breaking don't get me wrong this time trouble in mind I'm tired of wanting some other spring some time Don't ask me why my heart is yearning don't get me wrong this time trouble in mind my heart is breaking some other spring some time" ('Breaking' becomes 'yearning', and, 'I'm tired of wanting' becomes 'my heart is breaking'.) The above stanzas are nearly identical in lyric but I perceive their meaning to be different: The former says 'I hurt because I don't have what I want' while the latter says 'I need because I was hurt'. A very circular thought pattern, it is a personal defect that Mr. Ferry is well aware of. He somehow makes the personal hell/agony seem nearly romantic, very human and somewhat universal. Simple changes with very sophisticated effect. - Can only happen in the ruminations of a 'Master'! Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:08:33 EST From: JohnOBrien001@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Ferry Lyrics, similar etc Martin writes: "... I love the subtle variation in the verses." "... but I do admire they way in which he can make a song lyric mean so much by changing so little form verse to verse." Ferry also does this in More Than This Verse 1 ..... Verse 2 I could feel at the time.......It was fun for a while There was no way of knowing......There was no way of knowing Fallen leaves in the night.........Like a dream in the night Who can say where they're blowing?.......Who can say where we're going? As free as the wind........No care in the world Hopefully learning........Maybe I'm learning Why the sea on the tide........Why the sea on the tide Has no way of turning........Has no way of turning Is Your Love Strong Enough? is similar too Just one step at a time.....Just one beat of your heart And closer to destiny.......And stranger than fantasy I knew at a glance........I knew from the start There'd always be a chance for me.......It had to be the place for me With someone I could live for........Someone that I would die for There's nowhere I would rather be......There's no way I could ever leave This line is the best of example of Ferry using opposites like living and dying to mean the same thing: With someone I could live for........Someone that I would die for Great to see this forum back to life again and having interesting on topic threads again. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:23:16 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] coming to dvd soon I assume this won't be in Mr Stockman's stocking this Xmas: BRIAN ENO: 14 VIDEO PAINTINGS J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:51:28 -0500 From: "krnchse" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry / TV Andrew (Currently watching Crossroads on B/w) Come on Andrew..................I just heard a rumour that Quo were on Coronation St?Is that right that Ferry is joining the Archers ? Maybe he would be a contender to fill Jack Hargreaves shoes-now that would get the young girls interested in Country Life and all of its joys, DM ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:32:12 -0000 From: "opd" Subject: [AVALON] All I want for x-mas is the new Roxy cd Subject: All I want for x-mas is the new Roxy cd > Hi! > > Wasn't the new album supposed to be released before x-mas? > > I know it's very common for a Roxy / Ferry record to be delayed, but > wouldn't it be good for the sales to release asap? > > Does anyone know about a date of release? > > > Ole ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:13:14 +0100 From: "A. van Lammeren" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Perfumed Sigh - new branch of the tree Hi all, Thanks to Alan (and Andy, and many others before that. Wow, this clearly is a labour of love!) I'm able to re-offer the Perfumed Sigh tree to the group. Alan Wellbelove wrote, 21-oct-2005 20:07 uur: > Hi all, > > My recent branch of the Perfumed Sigh tree is now closed > > Copies will be shipped out: > > Stephen Thrower - England (Burner) > Anton - Holland (Burner) > David Besnard - France (Burner - I think!) We had some logistical and technical problems that we only solved yesterday... so thanks for your patience. Actually, it's my first DVD-copy-burn experience, so I'm not quite sure if I get all the options of my soft- and hardware right. Any advice will be appreciated. But having said that: I'm willing to send one copy to any first three burners in Europe, and to the first 3 non-burners in "this part of europe" (let's say NL, B, D (or is it G?), F...) Mail me off list for details: address, DVD-R/DVR+R, I think I can supply both, etc. Please note Andy's original specifications and technical disclaimers below. -Strictly no sale- ! I'd like to comment further on the content, too, but real life is taking too much from me. Maybe later. Well, for now: - Some pretty uptight interviews with our hero, especially the Australian tv appearance of 1987 where he looks really embarrassed about what he's telling about his family and youth! But then again, in the 1986 Whistle Test Extra interview, much more reserved and calculated. About the end of Roxy. Hey, there coming back!? - Eno looking fabulously in his promo video, can't help but think of 'Dead Finks Don't Talk'. Here Eno does a mean impersonation of Ferry in one verse ('as you peck your way up there'), but I can't help thinking of himself, that is Eno, too then. They must have recognized this between them. Tara, Anton. Here from Andy's original email: > Specifications and technical disclaimers. > > 1. The entire tape contents have been compressed to fit on one single > layer 4.7GB DVD-R disc - these discs are the most compatible DVD > blanks on the market. > > 2. Most (note not all) domestic living room DVD players can play these > discs (unlike the dual layer 8.5GB ones becoming available nowadays). > > 3. The disc has been created in PAL and with Region 0 - if your player > cannot play PAL DVDs then, sorry, you'll have to make your own > arrangements to turn it into NTSC. However, most (again not all) DVD > players can easily cope with PAL disc playback. And most (nearly 100% > this time) computer DVD players can cope. > > 4. The disc has been created with thumbnail menu selection for all the > 'tracks' or clips that were on the tape - all 34 of them! So now the > viewer can jump straight to the French soap opera clip for example. > :-) The disc can also be played in it's entirety as one mammoth > clip fest!! > Nearly three hours of strange and rare celluloid experiences. Anyone > curious about the precise content should email Martin > (martinstockman@btinternet.com) with the subject line: "A Perfumed > Sigh - DVD track list please" and he'll mail back the scan of the > original case artwork. > > 5. Of course, MPEG2 video compression is 'bad' and VHS is not an ideal > source material but it has to be remembered that the original VHS > release was made up of clips from all manner of domestic video > recordings that fans sent in to Martin. Those clips were then turned > into DV by our tame editor of the time and compiled back onto a DV > master (since lost in time) and then VHS copies were mass duplicated. > So, my source material was not perfect (by a long way) but the results > are definitely viewable and are, in many cases, totally unique records > of performances you otherwise are very unlikely to see. > > 6. Lastly, and I really hope that you all abide by this, I don't want > to see this appearing on eBay for money. This compilation was done > by fans for fans and it annoys the bejesus out of me when I see some > idle b*st*rd making huge profit out of our collective goodwill and > effort. I will be checking for it and reporting any vendors to the > eBay policemen. My thumbnail menus are unique and created by me so it > will be easy to spot the copies of this original disc. > > > > Thank you for your patience.... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:29:45 -0000 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry Lyrics, similar etc I agree about this superb wordplay of Ferry's, especially about More Than This, but I've been hard pressed to explain my admiration to friends in the past. Ferry uses images of nature to suggest the potential of a moment (implicitly a romantic moment) to go anywhere; hopefully to blossom and last. But when it's over, the "tide" image reminds us that you can't change the way things are going/have gone. In the phrase More Than This itself, Ferry seems to be stating a case: show me one thing more than this; you can't. There is nothing more than this material world, don't expect any magic; an existential case. But he's also implying, to me anyway, "Who need anything more than this? This material world includes the beauty and wonder of the oceans, for example." Then there is also a sense in which he is pleading for something more; show me something wonderful, something magic. Partly because, as the bereft lover, he knows it will take magic to get his love (or the hope of love) back (or to put it another way: it isn't going to happen. Because... see 2 paragraphs back). When Lost In Translation came long it was another opportunity to engage friends with the magic of this song; I opined that the karaoke sequence is carefully structured to move from Punk/Youth/Anger (Sex Pistols) via questioning and maturing ("What's So Funny About Peace Love and Understanding?") to maturity/acceptance/albeit tinged with regret for opportunities lost, represented of course by "More Than This." Nah, they said, it's just three songs they sing. Yeah, right. Guy Lawley London England - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of JohnOBrien001@aol.com Sent: 22 November 2005 15:09 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Ferry Lyrics, similar etc Martin writes: "... I love the subtle variation in the verses." "... but I do admire they way in which he can make a song lyric mean so much by changing so little form verse to verse." Ferry also does this in More Than This Verse 1 ..... Verse 2 I could feel at the time.......It was fun for a while There was no way of knowing......There was no way of knowing Fallen leaves in the night.........Like a dream in the night Who can say where they're blowing?.......Who can say where we're going? As free as the wind........No care in the world Hopefully learning........Maybe I'm learning Why the sea on the tide........Why the sea on the tide Has no way of turning........Has no way of turning ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:58:43 -0800 From: helchat@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Lyrics, similar etc Guy, I have to pipe up that I respectfully disagree with you to a certain extent. I feel that the wordplay used is because he wants to create "magic" in his songs by showing us that everything is magical only because he's in love. For example, I feel that MTT is not him stating: you shouldn't expect magic in life in only the simple material things, but that magic actually exists in every single thing because of the fact that we are "in love." My example would be TTYO: I could show you in a word If I wanted to A window on a world With a lovely view From close up inside a single room With an open book aside Like you read in school Here is creating the image of a world he can create for his lover just by telling her a story about a room with a beautiful view. The ONLY reason the room and the view would be beautiful is because he's describing it to his love, and his love is intently listening....... Here's another example, same song: It's raining in New York On Fifth Avenue And off Broadway after dark Love the lights don't you He's not so much stating an observation that his lover loves the lights in New York in the rain, but that he knows she loves the lights because, at that moment, she's in love, and he is in love with her and therefore this simple thing that gives her pleasure. As much as I am a fan of Bryan's, I feel I've been a fan long enough to know these lyrics are not his true feelings, but that he himself has become jaded to a certain extent about life and, obviously, love. Helene back to lurking... On Tuesday, November 22, 2005, at 02:29 PM, Guy Lawley wrote: > I agree about this superb wordplay of Ferry's, especially about More > Than > This, but I've been hard pressed to explain my admiration to friends > in the > past. > > Ferry uses images of nature to suggest the potential of a moment > (implicitly > a romantic moment) to go anywhere; hopefully to blossom and last. But > when > it's over, the "tide" image reminds us that you can't change the way > things > are going/have gone. > > In the phrase More Than This itself, Ferry seems to be stating a case: > show > me one thing more than this; you can't. There is nothing more than this > material world, don't expect any magic; an existential case. > > But he's also implying, to me anyway, "Who need anything more than > this? > This material world includes the beauty and wonder of the oceans, for > example." > > Then there is also a sense in which he is pleading for something more; > show > me something wonderful, something magic. Partly because, as the bereft > lover, he knows it will take magic to get his love (or the hope of > love) > back (or to put it another way: it isn't going to happen. Because... > see 2 > paragraphs back). > > When Lost In Translation came long it was another opportunity to engage > friends with the magic of this song; I opined that the karaoke > sequence is > carefully structured to move from Punk/Youth/Anger (Sex Pistols) via > questioning and maturing ("What's So Funny About Peace Love and > Understanding?") to maturity/acceptance/albeit tinged with regret for > opportunities lost, represented of course by "More Than This." > > Nah, they said, it's just three songs they sing. Yeah, right. > > Guy Lawley > London > England > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > JohnOBrien001@aol.com > Sent: 22 November 2005 15:09 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Ferry Lyrics, similar etc > > Martin writes: > > "... I love the subtle variation in the verses." > > "... but I do admire they way in which he can make a song > lyric mean so much by changing so little form verse to > verse." > > > Ferry also does this in More Than This > > Verse 1 ..... Verse 2 > I could feel at the time.......It was fun for a while > There was no way of knowing......There was no way of knowing > Fallen leaves in the night.........Like a dream in the night > Who can say where they're blowing?.......Who can say where we're > going? > As free as the wind........No care in the world > Hopefully learning........Maybe I'm learning > Why the sea on the tide........Why the sea on the tide > Has no way of turning........Has no way of turning > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > ____ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:36:16 EST From: Cassidys362@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] All I want for x-mas is the new Roxy cd May. Maybe next year, maybe the year after. In honour of Bryan's high regard for Bob Dylan the new album will be titled 'Zimmer Frame Blues'. :-) Seriously, it's surely (earlyish) next year or never? Regards Chris NP Theme from Z-Cars ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:21:07 -0000 From: "opd" Subject: [AVALON] All I want for x-mas is the new Roxy cd Hi! Wasn't the new album supposed to be released before x-mas? I know it's very common for a Roxy / Ferry record to be delayed, but wouldn't it be good for the sales to release asap? Does anyone know about a date of release? Ole ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V10 #287 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest